The Devs say DA2 was essentially the big setup for DA3, and that the war in DA3 will be global, including events in Orlais and Tevinter. So my question is, which of the old gang shows up? NOT who you want to show up, but based on evidence either in game or out, who's likely to make an appearance.
Who : Why - Best guess
- The Warden : "his story is done", but does show up - so perhaps accompanying LI from DA:O, maybe also a quest giver
- The Champion : "more story to tell" and shows up in DA3 - not the player, but perhaps directly involved in a quest or two
- Leliana : Left Hand of the Divine, plus one of the guys (Gaider or Laidlaw I forget which) has a thing for her, and wants to see her again
- Casandra : works under Leliana, hints that she's recruitable, and being in "Dawn of the Seeker" Bioware will want to capitalize on crossover
- Bohdahn & Sandal : they're traveling to Orlais so Sandal can work his "magic" for the Empress, and the devs have mentioned "surprises" concerning Sandal - running a store with a side order of "Enchantment!"
- Isabella : the LI Bioware seemed to be pushing the most, plus she now has the fastest ship around, which would be very handy for global taxi service and for outrunning the huge Qunari navy. Plus the devs said they'd like to see more of her - travel scenes with an even skimpier leather outfit
- Wynn, her son Rhys & Shale : Wynn & Shale traveled to Tevinter to find a way to "cure" Shale's condition. And all 3 are in the Orleasian White Spire after DA2
- Fenris : does he still have old scores to settle in Tevinter?
- Feynriel : training in Tevinter and potentially the most powerful mage ever - we should see something
- Flemeth : She's the keystone - I'd be surprised if she didn't show up
- Sebastian : raising an army in Starkhaven, but he's such a bland character, perhaps a military victory will be mentioned, but I hope we don't actually see him - "Elthina No! Maker No!"
- Dog : goes without saying
- Morrigan ? : was/is an advisor to the Empress' court, but what's the timing on this? Also, the devs said they consider her critical to DA and that we'd find out the fate of the OGB
- Tallis ? : we're going to see more of the Qunari and Bioware seems to have a raging love-on for Felicia Day and any possible cross promotion
- Varric ? : he, Isabella, and Alistair are all travelling to Antiva next year, and that story is supposed to be seamlessly woven into the DA universe. Does he go to Orlais or Tevinter after or maybe Isabella makes the necessary transportion? - I really like Varric, but I'm doubtful we'll see him
What have you got, tidbits from the devs twitter? Did you read the books? Let's hear! KatherineMarieS. (talk) 02:13, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
My bet would be on Corypheus showing up again. Based on the outcome of Legacy, he has most likely possessed Larius/Janeka and escaped. If the devs do not have big plans for him, they would let the player kill him for good. Besides, he and his 'collegaues' influenced the game world pretty much.---Algol- (talk) 03:24, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- I haven't played Legacy or MotA, are they worth the money? KatherineMarieS. (talk) 04:26, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Imho, Legacy is totally worth the money. New locations (and good ones), very interesting story revealing some secrets in Hawke's lineage, good party banter, some insight to Varric's true love, and very interesting final boss. Bonus points if you bring Bethany/Carver and/or Anders along. And have I mentioned that you can assemble a very powerful weapon, tailored to your preferences? Concerning MotA... It's very, let's say, controversional. It has good moments, but some others are not very good. Yet, I still recommend buying it. Just for the sake of stealth part (something different than killing everything that moves) and Orlesian high society party, during which Hawke generates massive lulz with sarcastic dialogue. And then it's Tallis - pretty much a love-or-hate character. Though one of the things that dissapointed me, is bugged Merrill without any quests involving her, while Aveline and Isabela have two quests each. And she is my favorite character...---Algol- (talk) 04:58, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe Bioware will have a Xmas sale and I'll be able to get both :) The only other DLC I've bought was Return to Ostagar, which was a comedy of screwups, delay after delay till release, then you could download it, no wait you can't either, then the download wouldn't register, ok, now it registers, but it's buggy, a patch is coming, only the patch broke something else. I've shied away from DLC since, but I guess they've worked all that out now. KatherineMarieS. (talk) 22:23, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
Hate to shoot some of these down, but I think a lot of the people won't/shouldn't turn back up. Wynne, because there's a 50/50 shot she was killed in DAO and Bioware hasn't retconned it's way around it yet. Shale, because again she can be killed. Feynriel, same reasons. Morrigan, because she can be killed. Alistair, because he can die in any number of ways. If Tallis turns up again I... never mind, won't even go there. And let us please keep in mind that game canon and book/comic/film canon are not the same. They can retcon these characters in the books all they want for all I care, but odds are I won't read them. Stolen Throne and Calling were okay, though.
Anyway, now that that's out of my system early, give me a minute to think here... Hawke, Varric, Dog, Cassandra, Leliana (already retconned, so whatever), Corypheus, Sandal & Bodahn... I know I'm forgetting some, but they're not coming to mind, so I'll leave it there. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 03:45, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Gaider wrote Asunder after DA2 and knowing the internal timetable, so it might not be canon yet, but it sure tastes like another Leliana incident in the making. Wynn & Shale are alive, Alive! And Laidlaw said, according to official internal lore (whatever that means) Alistair is alive and king.
- Haven't played MotA, I take it Tallis doesn't agree with you? KatherineMarieS. (talk) 04:26, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- So long as "official internal lore" does not contradict already existing game lore I'm happy. Oh, wait...
- Anyway, no, Tallis did not agree with me at all. I'm still not done tallying the lore errors that arose because of her character. (647 and counting) --Isolationistmagi (talk) 04:31, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Morrigan? Killed? If you mean that option in Witch Hunt to initiate a fight and stab her, than: 1. Who the F would do that? 2. She falls into a portal wounded, but alive. Anyway, Witch Hunt doesn't have any savegame flag to mark her as dead. I think it's quite clear that devs made her one of the central characters in the whole gameworld, and her conflict with Flemeth is yet to be resolved.---Algol- (talk) 05:42, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Morrigan falls into the shouldn't category. If I have the option to stab her and take it, then I don't want her showing back up, especially since that strike is a fatal wound. It will take one hell of a retcon for me to accept her being back in any major capacity after that. A cameo? Sure. A main character? That would just ruin my day. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 20:24, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
What, no invitation for the Architect? Given that supermysterious Warden business and strange allies, I think he is a safe bet. --Ygrain (talk) 10:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- I don't think so. In Awakenings your two central plot choices involve either allying with him or killing him; for allot of players he's dead and can't return. Plus the darkspawn story is largely over now. Alexsau1991 (talk page) File:SithEmblemTOR.PNG 11:18, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- "Never consider your enemy dead until you see the body, and even then you can be wrong." Claiming that someone cannot come back because they're dead is an unsafe bet ever since one Galilean did it, and in Bioware games it is twice as unsafe. In the Architect's case, thrice as unsafe, since Corypheus is also "dead" /wink wink/. Plus, what makes you think that the darkspawn story is "largely over"? They may not be the main plot point, but even if the Architect kept converting them into disciples by dozens per day, given the sheer size of Thedas, it would be a task for at least decades (and here I'm gracefully overlooking the fact that not all the disciples may be willing to adhere to the peace pact). Besides, there are still the two Archdemons-to-be, Cory's colleagues whose fate is currently unknown... Hm. Actually, I'd say that the darkspawn story has only begun :-) --Ygrain (talk) 11:44, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- If the Architect appears again, it will likely be in a cameo role like Zevran in DA2. Based on what is currently known about DA3 the Darkspawn are unlikely to make another major appearance. It's clear that the Mage-Chantry war and possibly Flemith and Morigan is what DA3 will centre around. Apart from content like Legacy i'd say as far as DA3 goes, the darkspawn's story is largely over. Alexsau1991 (talk page) File:SithEmblemTOR.PNG 18:38, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- Also, didn't one of the two guys (Laidlaw?) say at a conference, something along these lines, "That in the DA universe a character's death, should never be considered absolute"? Everybody stand back, I think I-magi's head is about to explode! Run, run for your lives! ;) KatherineMarieS. (talk) 22:23, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- My head is perfectly fine thanks, though I'm sure your concern for fellow users is appreciated. Anyway, if DA goes Black Isle, then I'm going to stop considering it a series and view each game as a standalone that happens to share an unusual number of commonalities with other games that have an eerily similar name. Actually, if DA goes Black Isle I think I'm just going to say "F this" then move to Tamriel. (Also, if you're not going to type out my full username, please call me Iso.) --Isolationistmagi (talk) 22:38, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
- They'd never let a bunch of facts get in the way of a great story, now if only they'd get back to telling great stories, but hope does spring eternal for DA3. Iso it is. KatherineMarieS. (talk) 23:54, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
To be honest, the only pre-existing characters I want to see show up in DA3 are Bodahn, Sandal and Flemeth. I'd be perfectly happy if no other DAO/DA2 characters show up. Gruedragon (talk) 13:51, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
If I had to wager money, I'd do it only on the absolutely certain characters, and considering that ML and the gang might come up with crazy ideas while smoking their pot, I'd say that the only certain characters are Morrigan and Flemeth. Flemeth because....duh...she's Flemeth. And they'll want to flaunt more or the sexy new Flemeth. And Morrigan because we've seen her concept are and where there is Flemeth, there will be Morrigan. Other characters might come and go in this game or the next or the one after that. but these two are here to remain.Diain (talk) 18:33, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
In order of confidence that they will appear...
- Flemeth- Everything seems to revolve around her, somehow.
- Sandal and probably Bodahn- I think this is pretty much a fact.
- Leliana- It's obvious Bioware loves her character; as do I.
- Cassandra- People are obviously fans of her, and she's set up to be an integral part of the story.
- Morrigan- Time for her to re-enter the story. Her rivalry with mommy has to come to a head.
- Feynriel- His story has just begun. If the OGB enters the mix, is he/she a potential rival?
- Isabella- Another great character that they would be stupid to abandon.
- Corypheus- No one can convince me that he did not take over a host at the end of Legacy.
- Tallis- because they can't help themselves.
- Fenris- because I hate him and they will punish me for it.
- Cullen- Almost forgot him, but he's a character I liked better in DA2 than in DAO.
- Dog- I think dog is a weak character, but I bet dog returns.
- Alistair- I think he will make a cameo of some sort, but nothing major.
- Zevran- Another cameo.
- Varric- They could write him out easily, but with Cassandra sure to return, I could see a Varric cameo. For the record, I would definitely like Varric to return.
- Hawke and/or The Warden- I think they would like to not have either return, but may cameo them just to keep the peace.
- Aveline and Donnic- I think they like how popular her character became, and will try to fit her in somehow. She bores me, though.
- Sten- I don't think they can resist a cameo. Too many people have begged for his return. I don't care if he returns.
- Merrill, Nathaniel, Shale, Oghren, Sigrun, Velanna, Wynne, Sebastian, ... I like them in that order. I would like to see Oghren rip on Sebastian a bit. Just because.
- Anders/Justice- I hope not. I really hate his character now, but I don't think they keep him dead. It will piss me off if he returns. LVTDUDE (talk) 00:30, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm picturing the retcon now. Hawke: "Didn't I kill you?" Anders: "I took a leaf from Flemeth and put part of myself within a pendant. I then hired a street urchin to take it to Lanaya's clan and have me restored to my body. Now here I am." Hawke: "Did you at least get rid of Justice?" Anders: "No. Part of him was sealed in the pendant too." --Isolationistmagi (talk) 01:38, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- If the choice was made to support the mages, with Hawke on the run, and both Meredith & the Viscount dead, wouldn't that leave Cullen as the most powerful person in Kirkwall? KatherineMarieS. (talk) 01:43, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Only if he chooses to be. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 01:48, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
The merchant/enchanter dwarf combo returning is another thing on my list of reasons not to buy the next DA right along side a voiced protagonist and hack and slash oriented combat. I'm sure you are right but I never understood why they were a cornerstone of the games in the first place. DAO they provided the necessary services for the nomadic adventurers but in DA2 they were thrown it for no reason other than to exist. Isabella I wont mind as long as I can kill her, same for frenris. I don't care if they mention hawke but I don't want to hear that my warden has been dragged out of her life as paragon and mentor to the next kind of orzamer. Oh an if morrigan turns out to be a vilian all the better.174.45.9.40 (talk) 05:14, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Wow, none of these characters actually are that interesting to me. Especially not Tallis, but my feelings on that thing are pretty clear. I didn't particularly like Leliana, and from what I saw of Cassandra, she doesn't float my boat, either. like Isabela, but Fenris would be a total no-go for me. As for Sandal and Bodhan, they pretty much played out in Origins, and their presence in II was awkward at best. I'm not that big on recycling characters in this kind of setting. I'll wait and see.
- Seriously, though, if Tallis shows up again, I'm selling my games and forgoing DA3 altogether. --Nettie Amell (talk) 06:51, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- "Seriously, though, if Tallis shows up again, I'm selling my games and forgoing DA3 altogether" - isn't that a bit drastic thing to do because of one character? Maybe you'll get the option to kill Tallis in DA3. With fire:)---Algol- (talk) 19:00, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- It would be because of the blatant character masturbation by the developers. Tallis simply wasn't a good character, and if they keep shoving her down my throat, it's not hard for me to find something that's all-around handled better. Like Skyrim. --Nettie Amell (talk) 21:00, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- "Seriously, though, if Tallis shows up again, I'm selling my games and forgoing DA3 altogether" - isn't that a bit drastic thing to do because of one character? Maybe you'll get the option to kill Tallis in DA3. With fire:)---Algol- (talk) 19:00, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
I think we will see Bodhan and Sandal. I know we will probably see Morgin even though I stabbed her. Why can't she just die. And I so Love love love Fenris FYI to all you haters why he is way cool.--Marcymariehunter (talk) 08:59, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
- Not all characters appeal to everyone, so we haters are gonna hate. --Nettie Amell (talk) 21:00, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
Hi all, interesting discussion but it feels like this one is losing steam. Please join me in my new thread - The Medieval "A" Team. Thanks. KatherineMarieS. (talk) 02:31, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
That's a heavy stream of info for a game to bring in. But it will be interesting. Does Skyrim much of anything besides a bunch of boredom, I mean "exploring", and getting stuff? Oh right there is the replayability of "exploring" Sir Fritz (talk) 04:18, November 18, 2011 (UTC)