I was wondering, should a Tevinter mage (around Magister level but not yet Archon) duel with a first enchanter class mage from any other circle who'd have the upper hand? I mean first enchanters are some of the most powerful and experienced mages in Thedas but their magical training is still kept under heavy control, while the whole land of Tevinter is basically all about magical power. So who would you put your money on? We are talking about a one on one duel to the death and both of them can go all out, no templars involved. --84.236.85.147 (talk) 10:38, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
If they where blood mages tevinter mage win even such a noob as jowan can kick ass with blood magic which should give power up but still hawke mage non blood mage defeated one of the most powerful blood mages in history have little sense for me.Bonus points go for mages who were trained in spirit magic and give that mages in tevinter probably know how use swords and mages in circle not and hawke (apostate) know how use them too but warden mage (circle mage) not have any combat traning until he take arcane warrior spec.
I think people in the DA universe seriously overestimate the threat of blood magic. It isn't really that powerful. I have yet to run into a blood mage who I haven't been able to kill with enough motivation. I would say a First Enchanter would probably win.65.184.249.129 (talk) 15:02, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
I am not entirely sure of the relative power between them, but I would atleast give the magister some points considering he/she likely has more experience fighting mages. Autoslizer (talk) 15:20, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Mage Warden didn't even have a rank of an enchanter and defeated Caladrius. The Warden had help of companions, but Caladrius had his soldiers. Another magister is the arcane horror in Wending Wood and the Warden commander defeated him with no problem. Hawke killed Corypheus, a mutated ancient magister, also the Champion and the company fought and won fights with Handrianna and Danarius and Tevinter mages, who tried to take the Tome of Koslun. Besides there are antimagic spells, if magister and enchanter cast anti-magic sphere on themselves, then they can fight only by fists. If they are cut of lyrium and animals or people, then that's like duel of gunmen with no ammo for both of them. In that case magister can be desperate to use own blood to cast spells, but the question is whose health will go to zero earlier?78.8.148.255 (talk) 17:20, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Well our heroes are not very well examples because mage warden at that moment could kill every grand enchanter and magister and probably every other person in thedas that same for hawke.I agree to some point about blood mages because sometimes they portray them as extremly dangerous like they did it with jowan who was weak mage but when he used blood magic he was much stronger on other hand they sometimes make them weak despite that series trying to convince us otherwise.Magic in this searies is shown in a different manner in dawn of seeker magic is ridiculously weak on first game magic is strong but in second game they make magic weaker to the point when mages just throws pieces of ice or use flamethower which can be stoped by non templar using shield or avoided by rouge like in legacy by hawke.
Ahem, is that even a question? Tevinter mages are properly trained, unlike the majority of Circle sheepage. -Algol- (talk) 19:56, June 13, 2013 (UTC)
Well I suppose being circle trained would give them access to the litany of Adralla... Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 06:54, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- The Litany of Adralla is a tool reserved only for VIPS - lord seekers, senior enchanters, first enchanters, knight commanders, lower ranked have no acces to it.
- The question was about a First Enchanter vs. a Magister... So I'd say it would be relevant here. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 16:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- The Litany protects against mind control, not blood magic itself. And as seen with Idunna mind control with blood magic can be countered by a mage pretty easily anyway. Uldred too used it on mages already weakened both mentally and phisically (not to mention that he was an abomination already, not a human). If mind control would be such an easy and efficient way of fighting for a human blood mage, any blood mage encountered would use it on the Warden or Hawke. Practically an I Win button. So I say the Litany is pretty much irrevelant.
- The question was about a First Enchanter vs. a Magister... So I'd say it would be relevant here. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 16:04, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
--94.21.55.144 (talk) 20:28, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Mind control was pretty much used on Hawke during the quest "enemies among us"
- in which Hawke nearly slit his own throat. The real question here is whether or not we're basing this information on lore or game mechanics. Blood magic within the games had the ability to mind control an ogre, or even other powerful mages. Of course if this was game mechanics, whoever casted manaclash first wins.... The lore side of blood magic acts as if this is some sort of ultimate magic, with examples such as (like previously mentioned) Jowen knocking over 3 Templars, the First Enchanter, and the Knight-commander. I'm not suggesting the Litany would be some sort of Deus ex machina for the enchanter fighting a tevinter magister, but I'd personally suggest bringing it along just in case. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 20:38, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- If any high-ranking Circle mage knew the litany, The Warden and Co wouldn't have to go through hell and back to retrieve it. Wynne would just come to Uldred, poof, everything is alright. So I guess only a few luckers know it. On the other hand, I guess it's pretty safe to assume that every Tevinter magister knows at least the basics of blood magic, the most powerful force in the world. As I've said, proper training. Circle mages sorely lack it. -Algol- (talk) 22:14, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Oh I completely agree with you, Magisters are far superior as far as mages go.... but i make one snarky comment, and due to sheer pride I had to defend it to anons question its relevance... :D Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 22:31, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- If any high-ranking Circle mage knew the litany, The Warden and Co wouldn't have to go through hell and back to retrieve it. Wynne would just come to Uldred, poof, everything is alright. So I guess only a few luckers know it. On the other hand, I guess it's pretty safe to assume that every Tevinter magister knows at least the basics of blood magic, the most powerful force in the world. As I've said, proper training. Circle mages sorely lack it. -Algol- (talk) 22:14, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
- Well, if we are bringing game mechanichs into this, I have to point out that though in Origins the Litany was an instant-cast item (for obvious reasons seeing the Uldred fight), the Litany itself, as suggested by its name, is a song. So I highly doubt that it works like shaking that parchment and yelling "WooOOOoo, I have a magic scroll". I think one has to at least read or better yet sing it.
Now in my opinion a "Catch this fireball!" tactic works way better as a counterspell, than some chanting. Not to mention that once you are under mind control... you can't really use it (as seen with Idunna or the Sloth demon in the Broken circle, mind control spells don't require any noticable casting. Lorewise of course, I know they do during the Uldred fight). Now I know that you'd only suggest taking it along, just in case. But well, the enchanter should also bring a few handful of the ashes of Andraste, one or two gallons of refined lyrium, and some dwarven explosives. He should... but that doesn't really reflect the true abilities of the first enchanter. (Also I think the Tevinters have some dark artifacts of their own... I imagine even Meredith would piss herself in fear seeing some of those) --94.21.55.144 (talk) 22:50, June 14, 2013 (UTC)
I think it would depend on which individuals were fighting. A magister is one thing, they've got to keep up their studies lest they be defeated by a rival, but a "regular tevinter mage"? Maybe a less important family member of a magister, who uses their freedom and family influence like any other rich noble- how do you think they'd stack up against a Circle mage who has almost nothing else to do but study magic, let alone someone like Orsino (who thinks nothing of going up against a few dozen Qunari by himself), or Fiona- a Circle mage who has lived free of the Circle and fought darkspawn etc.(By that I mean she's fought some horrible things and is not easily intimidated by Templars, or things in general)? On the other hand there were also a couple First Enchanters in Asunder that seemed completely useless in combat. So yeah, I think it would depend on the circumstances and individuals.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 03:28, June 15, 2013 (UTC)