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So i have a question if we play as a dwarf we enter the fade by will would that make the inqusiort the first dwarven mage and also if we play as a mage arent we dreamers then??

SO yeah p.s i dont have accout but it mine by the way no ENCHANMENT commets plese —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 22:54, 30 April 2014

The dwarven warden in Fade gained abilities of changing into rat, golem, flaming skeleton and arcane horror. Does it not make them magical?FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:59, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

yes but that was in the fade he went in by a spell are inquistor can enter in by will —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 23:01, 30 April 2014‎

Dwarves don't normally dream, right, so what happened to a Dwarven Warden in the circle tower is likely unusual. The Dwarven Inquisitor is slightly different, as he will be wielding this power outside the fade, but I can't imagine that this would classify him/her as a mage. And don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes anon (~~~~). Alexsau1991 (talk page) 22:10, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

but wat about if we play a acully mage wouldnt that make us dreamer casuewe can enter the fade by will (talkcontribs) 22:54, 30 April 2014</small>

In DAO Dwarves could become templars and spirit warrior, so maybe the Dwraven Inquisitor is a spirit warrior rather than mage, but a spirit warrior with sepcial ability.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 22:23, April 30, 2014 (UTC)

Dwarves don't dream but doesn't mean they can't go to fade by force like in the Broken Circle quest.I think dwarves can make magic on their own Sandal in a good example. (talk) 05:11, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

We don't know if the Inquisitor can actually enter the Fade at will. So far there are contradictory sources, one is that the Inquisitor can close the tears, the other that the Inquisitor can open tears. I think personally it's gonna be closing and entering the veil through tears already open.Henio0 (talk) 05:44, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Yeah agree with you there, it may be a bit weird and if the inquisitor can open tears it just for some reason to me, makes him a little overpowered. Entering and closing them sounds better rather.Lazare326 (talk) 06:29, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Awww man... i never heard of "opening the tears" only "closing the tears". But imagine if the Inquisitor has to enter the fade to close them from the inside. That would mean that he would have to close all the tears from inside the Fade, that means when the last tear closes, he would be stuck inside the Fade :| that would be so sad.. Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 11:31, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

I have an old wild theory. I think the Inquisitor isn't the very first dwarven mage, because I think dwarves in Primeval thaig were mages, but their experiments went worng, what caused a Cataclycism, destruction of the thaig and corruption of lyrium. However if the red lyrium existed earlier, than it was a fuel of their magic. Dwarves trapped in own thaig got starved, they ate lyrium to survive, but they turned into profanes. The only survivors were the legendary 7 brothers, who created the dwarven empire we all know, they were ashamed by what happened in the primeval thaig, so they made a dogma that nothing is older than the memories and destroyed all evidences of that Cataclycism making next generations completelly ignorant of that.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 07:00, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

What are you basing this wild theory off of? Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 11:28, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
On Codex entry: The Primeval Thaig, there is a fragment about constructs made by magic. I also have a conspiracy theory that every goverment has dirty secret, the sharprates are ignorant about the thaig, which doesn't mention the thaig. They say about the 7 founders of the dwarven empire, but the primeval thaig is older than any other thaig. They either don't know because they have secret archive secret even to the historians, where are the dirty secrets or they don't know because the evidences of the thaig's existence were destroyed.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 11:57, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
The codex entry and link is appreciated, the bit about the primeval thaig outdating the founding of the dwarven empire is impressive, everything else is conjecture though relatively sound. I'm impressed, very good work actually. What're your thoughts on the relationship between the Tevinter Imperium, the ancient supposedly immortal Elves, and the Dwarves that dwelt in the Primeval Thaigs? Elves being immortal and supposedly the natives of the land above, The Tevinter Imperium's mastery of magic and the implication that the Dwarves were capable of magic? Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 12:20, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
I don't believe in immortality, I am ready to believe elves used to live longer and before death they put themselves in a permanent sleeping state. Myths about immortality are to inspire new generations of Dalish. In Masked Empire was revelated that Elves weren't innocent, they had empire like every other build on slavery, they enslaved own kind. I am ready to think when Tevinter conquered and destroyed Arlathan, they took some of their magic but not whole magical knowlagde. I don't know what to think about origins of blood magic, but I am ready give credit a theory that forbidden ones thought blood magic and Tevinter magisters made myths that their gods thought them this magic. It would be interesting if all 3 races discovered magic in their own ways, but Dwarves could reject magic after magical destruction of the primeval thaig, they went far from that place and generations near the weaker blue lyrium caused durgenlens resistant to magic. Elves evolved on the surface of the continent, dwarves underground, when humans and qunari came from other continents unknown to the part of DA world we know.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 12:36, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
It is the first time I agree with you Drell.You may have a point here. (talk) 12:39, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Finally.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 13:15, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Bioware have already said that choosing to play as a dwarf makes the mage class unavailable. A dwarven Inquisitor may have unique powers, but that doesn't make them a mage. Like how Spider-Man has powers, but that still doesn't make him a mutant like Wolverine, because they're powers that were acquired, not something he was born with. Same deal with the Inquisitor. 14:29, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

...and now I get to play supernerd. Technically Spider-Man is a mutate, which in the main marvel universe are a class of humans who have 'mutant potential' but only ever get superpowers if something to happens to trigger dormant genes. This is because the Celestials (a nigh-omnipotent alien race) experimented on early humans so that some would eventually evolve into mutants. Mutates are a side effect of this. So, basically every superpowered being in the mainstream marvel universe that does not get their powers from technology or magic is either a mutate or a mutant. Which means that Spider-Man's abilities are sort of natural abilities.
Erm...not that this has anything to do with Dragon Age... Silver Warden (talk) 18:52, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
The nerdiness is strong with this one. I saw this nitpicking of my example coming, but chose to go with it anyway, because I figured most people would know the basic difference between Spider-Man's origins and the X-Men's, and I suspected Marvel's lore wouldn't let it be as clear-cut as that, but it was the first thing that leaped to mind as an example for bestowed powers versus innate powers. Now that I think about it, though, it still works. Spidey and other heroes like the Fantastic Four are generally praised and treated like celebrities, while mutants are hated and feared. The Inquisitor can be hailed as a hero if you play him/her that way, while mages are still hated and feared. The difference between bestowed and innate power isn't merely academic or rhetorical, but dramatically changes how the (generally hypocritical) society reacts. 19:26, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

i think at some point dwarves were/had mages aside from the theoryies on lyrium and red lyrium (which make sense and i think are likwly) i thiought this from speaking to Shale in DAO she said that the crystals in hwr skin were essentially to aid mages as an extra source of mana (possibly like lyrium) unless im wrong and it was other mages (tevinter maybe?) who later added this purpose to golems and not the ancient dwarves (from Caradins time i guess) it would imply that they used thw crystals for that purpose because they (the dwarves) were/had mages. --Blitzbear93 (talk) 18:31, May 1, 2014 (UTC)Blitzbear93

Shale said Wilhelm was trying to alter to crystals so that he could use Shale as a 'battery of mana'. Which means that was not the original purpose of the crystals. Silver Warden (talk) 20:44, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

I would really like it if they found a way to implement dwarven mages. Dwarves are my favorite race, so I sort of hate that they limited the character building options for them.--TheQunAndFriends (talk) 18:43, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

I've got a feeling that the Dwarves of Kal-Sharok have something in relation to magic that they've kept a secret. That's just my wishful thinking... Lazare326 (talk) 19:06, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

My guess is that the dwarves of Kal-Sharok have done something with the taint to allow them to survive in the deep roads without any outside contact. I think a codex entry (can't remember which) compares them to grey wardens. I suppose magic could also have played a part in their survival, but it seems unlikely. Silver Warden (talk) 20:44, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
Orzammar didn't need magic to survive, the dwarves used tactics and sacrifaces to buy time for others to prepare for fight and regroup, that's how they survived. I think Kal-Sharoki dwarves also used similar strategies to survive. I think it was no magic, but their determination and strategic plans, which helped them to survive. Dwarves has Legion of dead and Rock-Knockers instead of the grey wardens, but the latter could discover joining in own way to fight better. Caste segregation in Kal-Sharok is lighter than in Orzammar, smaller ostracism is required to cooperate and be more united in fight for survival.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 21:21, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Okay thanks but that doset ansewred the mages if we play one wouldnt that make us dreamers??

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