Forum:Fenris vs. Anders??

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I always get mixed up and have a hard time choosing between my favorite character in DA2. I want to see other people's opinions, because i honestly think Fenris is pretty badass and would like to c him in DA3 again xXShadowBloodXx108.81.234.189 (talk) 01:37, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

How about both? I have both showing up in my novel. I'm not Hawke so I don't have to choose :P - 02:36, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

How about neither? I don't know which one I would kill first.--Markurion (talk) 03:40, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Anders would be my first choice, however I always imagined Fenris' tattoos taste like York Peppermint Patties, truly a toss up. Tommyspa (talk) 03:54, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I would choose Fenris, because he's not a terrorist like Anders. Andy said he's more open-minded, but he denied it telling Fenris that he's just jealous about his sister. I rather brooding former slave than a possesed mass murderer. Fenris would free all slaves, that's good and Anders is no hero, he's a mad terrorist, who killed priests for idea and like every madman he wishes to change the world. All he did was start of that idiotic war.

Anders is already one of my favourite companions in all RPGverse, and since he still manages to piss people off, like the good sir/madam above who learned everything s/he knows about terrorism from TV, chances are your double-seated throne is shaking, Morte and Dr Solus. Fenris is a fangirl bait constructed for this particular purpose so blatantly that the seams shine brighter than his tattoos, and while I do enjoy some cliches, he ain't one. 'sides, every time he speaks my hand automatically reach towards 'mute'. ...hey, just look at the time - quarter to silly little flame war! :D Dorquemada (talk) 07:02, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I wasn't exactly a fan of Fenris, but I absolutely loathed Anders, moreso than any other character in the series, so I'd take Fenris over him any day. Broody ex-slave > Slutty terrorist. --70.71.12.186 (talk) 07:24, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

They just happen to be my 2 favourite characters from DA2 (with Varric as 3rd). But if I had to choose one, Anders would be it. Fenris does suffer a bit from his "fangirl bait" tag, even in my eyes. Still, even despite that, I do think he's an interesting character. It's just that he's not Anders. Nilfalasiel (talk) 09:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I hated Anders. Completely. Such a whiny little $%^&. Killing him was the only satisfying part of DA2 for me. Shame they changed him so much, cause I found him jovial and easy to like in Awakening. Fenris at least had the decency to keep his mouth shut more often. But both of them are just impossible to like. I only managed to finish the game once, but both of them died. But I will say this. Anders evoking that hate was very well done, if intentional, which I really am not sure it was intentional... Fenris is completely forgettable and useless as a character. Totally. Anders is IMPORTANT, like him or not. The Grey Unknown (talk) 11:39, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Dude, he blew up a building that, a) had a number of non-combatants in it, b) was pretty much a Grand Cathedral of the city - a landmark both of architectural and sacramental importance, c) visuals of its explosion deliberately and glaringly invoked 9/11. You cannot get more intentional than that - remember, it's Bioware we're talking about, they do subtle as well as rainbow colored rhinos do china shop infiltration. Dorquemada (talk) 12:00, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

That is actually a problem with most of the dramatic events in DA2. They're all in-your-face forced drama. The death of Hawke's mother is another example. They're simply forcing an event to create emotions which they could not generate by good writing/interesting characters.

And apparently ME3's ending had something similar before it was cut. Leaked video's show the deaths of squadmates who follow Shepard to the beam in the end, regardless of the readiness score.Diain (talk) 14:13, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I was referring only to personality and not events, meaning his personality evoked that hate BEFORE he blew up stuff. Events is a whole different issue, but combined with his personality then Anders gets the murder knife every time. The Grey Unknown (talk) 17:34, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I liked Anders a lot more in Awakening, even though he was just an Alistair stand-in. But considering what he's gone through, I can understand why he turned into the Anders of DA2. Honestly, I bring him along because he's the only dedicated healer, unless you're playing a Mage Hawke.

I find Fenris to be a more compelling character, because he's the only principle cast member who has first-hand experience of life in Tevinter, but he's a pain in the ass to deal with. Gameplay-wise, I generally prefer to keep Aveline on hand as my party tank. Son Goharotto (talk) 12:50, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Hmm I don't know, I'm not a huge fan of either. They both suffer from the broody fangirl type of personality, and are both way too one-dementional about the mage-templar thing. One one hand I hate how much Anders changed, sure he was pretty average in DA:Awakening but he was pretty cool and easy to like, so his rapid change was a but disheartening for me, all they had to do (much like DA2 should have done itself) is expand on his personality and not completely change it, also what Anders did was pretty darn unforgivable even if it was for a good cause. On the other hand, Fenris feels somewhat unnecessary and seems so much like a final fantasy character. But I overall like Fenris slightly better because when I saw him rip out that guys heart, and then promise his Hadriana he would spare her then did the same to her, I knew I was dealing with a "Don't fu** with me" kind of guy So I guess I respect him more than like him. MrRexfire (talk) 13:18, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

If it was Awakening Anders Vs. Fenris, I'd be rooting for Anders. DA2 Anders on the other hand, i'd be helping Fenris. Why? Because Anders blew up the bloody CHANTRY!! Plus breaking Hawke's Heart. They made Anders way too extreme (ok, he has a spirit of Justice in his head) I can understand it from his P.O.V and Fenris', but they are both extreme. Anders wanted complete freedom while, Fenris wants to imprison all mages.
Whenever they are having one of their bitching competitions, my Mage Hawke's there facepalming cos she knows there has to be an equilibium between templar's and mages.
DA:A Anders was sacastric, easy going and my warden may have had a crush on him (what? she was lonely Alistair had died a few months back and she missed him), while DA2 Anders "F**K TEMPLARS!!", tempermental, and a murderer, and most importantly a heart breaker.Phoenix96 (talk) 16:32, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I'd kill them both, if they are crying pissy-boo-boo over human problems and not fighting the darkspawn, they are of no use to me. I am the 5% 98.233.217.33 (talk) 16:42, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

I prefer Anders over Fenris, at least I know Anders was a happy, skipping, loveable guy, before Justice ruined him and he ruined Justice... :( Why did they have to go and ruin each other! Out of friendship! I miss Ser Pounce-Alot! He was useful, and he came with Anders, and there is no more Ser Pounce-Alot... and Anders is whiny... but at least he is Fenris... --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 19:12, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Wait... Anders is a terrorist? Please elaborate. -Algol- (talk) 19:21, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Apparently, blowing up building means your a terrorist, since that's what terrorist do blow up things and scare us... because their terrorists

I wonder if dropping atomic bombs on places, where "said" number of innocent people live counts as terrorism... In that case, is the American Goverment during the world war 2 are terrorists... Just pondering, no mean to offend people --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 19:38, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Nope, the United States wasn't trying to "fear" the Japanese people into submission, instead it was (a very bloody) bluff to the Empire of Japan i.e. if you keep fighting, we have more atom bombs (when we didn't). That said Ander's actions were meant to inspire fear into the hearts of the Chantry leadership, in order to change their stance on mages. When in fact he's more or less damned all mages to die or become isolationists. Then again human problems in Thedas<Dem Darkspawn. I am the 5 %98.233.217.33 (talk) 19:53, April 30, 2012 (UTC)

Not really. He didn't want to impress the Chantry leadership because he - at that point already a chimera Janders, no longer Anders with a voice in his head - didn't believed the Chantry can offer any way out. He just wanted a full time war. Dorquemada (talk) 20:21, April 30, 2012 (UTC)