Who is your favorite antagonist in the series so far (include games, books, movies, comics, etc.)?
Personally I like the Arishok from act 2 of Dragon Age II because not only is he one of my favorite fights in the game he also put up with a bunch of crap from many people in Kirkwall aimed at starting a war with the Qunari. WardenMaster (talk) 14:00, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Dragon Age, much similar to another fantasy series has a grey area in regards to some antagonists. For example the Arishok. But for the sakes of it, for me my favourite antagonist in the series so far is Loghain. Simply is. Love that guy, what he's been through, his military prowess but his audacity and ability to win. He got a bit off in DAO, but still, he's my most favourable.
My most hated one, is as many would probably anticipate, Arl Howe. And the fact that I hate him so much shows how good of a character he is. Oh, and how can I leave out the Broodmother ;)
14:54, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
I'll have to agree with Laz here, Loghain is by far first option... that guy is simply thinking of Ferelden and keeping his tradition of hating Orlais, he is not evil he is just willing to do what ever he believes is right. Second option is the Arishok, I just can stop thinking he was there doing what was right for his people even if Isabel was a bitch for stealing from them.--Dave The Maniac (talk) 15:03, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
For the record when I said antagonist I did not mean evil I meant a character or creature that serves as an enemy of the main character. To me Arishok is my first favorite and Loghain is my second favorite but my most hated antagonist would be Rendon Howe where Loghain was fighting for his beliefs and what not he was stuck in his paranoia Howe was just jealous of the fame and fortune of others he was bitter fool who many believed should have died at that battle in white river. He just wanted to be important he believed he deserved more than what he got. In close second would have to be that red lyrium idol (Which I know isn't much of an antagonist) to me it caused the events of act 3 of Dragon Ages II and it was partially the cause of the Mage-Templar war. WardenMaster (talk) 15:34, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Well you still got our answer :D Howe is much more than just a jealous and bitter fool. The guy's literally evil, despite his motives. He's a maniac, who's clearly on the side that benefits "him" the most. He's willing to abandon his allies and dearest of friends in order to get what he wants. The guy's a psychopath and a twisted one at that. I may be exaggerating but that's it in a nutshell. The arishok in my opinion, was not my enemy until his siege on Kirkwall. Even then, i contemplated handing Isabela over. He respected Hawke (well mine) and although he's a pretty good warrior, with obvious feats of strengths, i can see why people would like him. I just felt like Bioware could have made him more interesting IMO. 18:04, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Well you still got our answer :D Howe is much more than just a jealous and bitter fool. The guy's literally evil, despite his motives. He's a maniac, who's clearly on the side that benefits "him" the most. He's willing to abandon his allies and dearest of friends in order to get what he wants. The guy's a psychopath and a twisted one at that. I may be exaggerating but that's it in a nutshell. The arishok in my opinion, was not my enemy until his siege on Kirkwall. Even then, i contemplated handing Isabela over. He respected Hawke (well mine) and although he's a pretty good warrior, with obvious feats of strengths, i can see why people would like him. I just felt like Bioware could have made him more interesting IMO.
Favorite? The Archdemon. The one I hated the most? Howe of course. That child-murdering POS is probably everyone's most hated antagonist in the series. Silver Warden (talk) 18:38, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
So we're all in agreement Howe is a major D-bag and everyone loves to kill the A-hole? The Archdemon fight to me is just a tad too easy now if the Archdemon could destroy the giant crossbow ballistas so that you only had a limited time you could spend at each before you had to move or it gets destroyed WardenMaster (talk) 19:44, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Agree, the Archdemon battle was pretty straightforward, in my opinion. And i would have liked to seen the AD feature more, but that's just a personal desire of mine nothing more. I would have loved it if we saw more nightmares of the Archdemon leading the darkspawn. 19:54, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
- Agree, the Archdemon battle was pretty straightforward, in my opinion. And i would have liked to seen the AD feature more, but that's just a personal desire of mine nothing more. I would have loved it if we saw more nightmares of the Archdemon leading the darkspawn.
I definitly agree on Howe. I just absolutely loath that man. The only thing I like about him is that he's voiced by Tim Curry who, in my opinion, is amazing. I would have to say, though, that Loghain is my favorite. Even after reading The Stolen Throne, I understand his motives to an extent. I don't agree with what he did, but I understand.Jessica Sutter (talk) 23:21, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Favourite rival? Arishok, no doubt. The man was practically made of ice he was so cool. Most hated foe? Howe. Best villain in total? Loghain, as others have noted, he clearly has reasoning behind everything he does, he's not as ruthless as Howe, or as underhanded, and has redeeming qualities like a patriotism I can respect. EzzyD (talk) 23:32, June 4, 2014 (UTC)
Loghain is by far the most complex and interesting antagonist in DA. He's a man who was once a hero and who has become consumed by his (mental) demons and his obsession with protecting Ferelden; in so doing, he ends up becoming the very thing he hates (a tyrant). He very much embodies the idea of the tragic hero who lives long enough to become a villain. The fact that he is driven by what are essentially noble intentions to do terrible things makes him a fascinating figure, as does his psychology - he justifies his actions as necessary, yet acknowledges they are nonetheless awful, but does not resile from responsibility for them. The fact that people are still arguing about Loghain some five years after Origins was released is a testament to what an intriguing character he is. The only other characters in DA that come close to the complexity of Loghain are the Arishok (with his blue and orange morality Qunari world view) and Flemeth (with her enigmatic world-shaping agenda).--Darkly Tranquil (talk) 05:41, June 5, 2014 (UTC)