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Okay so we know that Bioware can retcone anything they wan't even the final battle as with awakening. so Speaking about Dragon age 2, BioWare announced they wish to give Cassandra a major role in Dragon age 3, so im thinking she would be a possible love interest for the Old god baby and adult one of course i think the main plot will revolve around uthemiel stopping Flemeth who i think is the mother of the old gods her 7 sons.Also i think morrigan will give the old god baby to Hawke to raise as his adoptive kid,i think it will be the old gods baby destiny to destroy flemeth and finally the Darkspawn imagine an old god redemption..Kaminoman

Codswallop. That's all I have to say to that, I'm sorry. IanFTW (talk) 17:47, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Is this going to degenerate into another OGB is NOT canon rant/debate? I've never participated in one before, might be fun! ahaha. But i actually did find your ideas quite imaginative, and funny. Not quite sure if you're been serious or not (so whether it would be bad for me to find it hilarious) but you did manage somewhat connect most of the main characters/storylines/forum threads together. I'm surprised the warden doesn't make an appearance actually, unless he had an unexpected death (and morrigan decides her parenting skills are lacking) hence the Hawke adopting him/her? And THAT's why cassandra was interested in hawke! She wants to find him/her so she can get it on with his/her newly adopted kid, it all makes sense now! haha no offence intended but i don't think that that's the plotline that bioware's going to come up with for DA3 Mr Afk (talk) 18:52, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

Why are you talking about DA3 already wait for DA2 to come at least.

I concur, codswallop. (talk) 00:20, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Indeed! All this hooopla is codswallop! And other old slang!--Mrs.AlistairTheirin (talk) 00:45, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

One thing that should be said about BioWare. When it comes to their games never assume anything with the cannon of the game. There is a game coming out that spans a 10 year timeline and everyone is ranting about how Morrigan's baby is non canon. My theory is David Gaider and the rest of the story design wouldn't have mentioned its power unless something was in the works. You've seen it in movies and the stories of old. The minute you forget it comes back at you. Beowulf is the perfect example. Do I think your theory for DA:3 is interesting? Yes. But going back to the non canon. I'm not ruling anything out. There are two old gods left which means 2 blights, maybe one if they are awoken at the same time. But as it goes. I can say that depending on how DA:2 plays out. If the baby is canon for DA:3. It would be based of your decisions from DA:O. Because you can turn down the ritual and let the old god die. I won't even touch on my theories. GreyWolf84 (talk) 01:56, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

(to original poster) Err...what? Sorry, while I generally don't shoot down theories this quickly, that had so many guesses, speculations and plot twists that just force-connected every main character into every plotline that it couldn't be anything other than---confusing, though interesting. I hope MrAfk is right about you not being serious. But hey, I've been wrong before (just not that often haha :) ) Rath101 (talk) 08:21, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I'm just saying that you should not assume anything when it comes to these things. Just because there has been no mention of it on websites or in creator interviews doesn't mean that the idea has been completely removed. There is a 50/50 chance that the baby could be seen along with Morrigan. Weather that child is the child of the Warden's, Allister, or just some child conceived in a one-night stand. There is always a chance. and I for one want to know how that ritual from Origins will come into play possibly in Dragon Age 2 or in future Dragon Age games. GreyWolf84 (talk) 08:28, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

All that I have to say is that I think your theory is great, let's face it one of these days everything will be considered canon to the "standard". Everything in Dragon Age is about perspective Leliana's DLC took place in Denerim but her story to the Warden says Orleis (sp?), Alistair claims his mother's from Redcliffe, but the books imply he's half-elf. so there will be a "true" story about the OGB but it doesn't mean from your perspective it's not true.--TrentCousland (talk) 10:36, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think it is entirely possible for the old god baby to have a role as protanganist in the 3rd one however the rest seems to be fanciful nonsense. King of the Dusters (talk) 13:27, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

... I think the original poster is serious and genuinely believes that the OGB is going to be the main character for DA3. *Sighs heavily* I refuse to get into another debate about the OGB... it's becoming tiresome. Needless to say the OGB MAY make an appearance in later games but it certainly wouldn't be as the main protagonist... not at all. And that's all I'm saying on the matter. (DDragonfly1990 (talk) 13:34, February 6, 2011 (UTC))

Ok, before this degenerates into a verbal slugfest about canonicity, let's just look at the OGB options, either he exists or he doesn't. Simple as that. So how can Bioware implement the OGB into a game where he might not exist? Well, the default backstories seem to tell us what may be, of the three available, only one has the OGB as a possiblity. So it could end up being something like the Council in Mass Effect, where you could say them or damn them. The effect in ME2? If you saved them, humans are respected and Shepard can be reinstated as a Spectre, if they die, Humans run the council but are disliked by much of the galaxy and Shepard can't be reinstated as a Spectre. The point? Either option is viable, even though the "bad" choice is canon in this case. Bioware might not go the same route, but, and this is pretty important, they might work they way around it, and come up with an alternative for those who did not accept Morrigan's offer. --Madasamadthing (talk) 16:15, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

Shepard can get his Spectre status if you let the Council die and choose Anderson to be the Councelor, but that's only symbolic... Won't make a difference. But, anyways... Another OGB thread? Why so many people are obssessed with him/her? And why are we talking about a game that no one confirmed it will exist? What I think is that the OGB won't be protagonist of the so-called Dragon Age 3, because that would be too overpower. I'm still sticking with human characters, not ... Dragon-Hybrid-like abominations. —Rocketai (Ho there! Chase my tail!) 18:10, February 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think the OGB will be important, they can easily work their way around it, say morrigan was secretly in a relationship with Sten or someone and then if you refused her offer, she used some other weird magic crap and made the old god take the half qunari baby. Cpt. Miller

FYI, David Gaider said in the Bioware Social Forums that if you didn't make the God Baby... then there is NO god baby. Thus the God Baby will be a side quest at most. End of discussion. MAD WHITE HAM (talk) 04:37, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

And people seem to keep forgetting that Morrigan, in Witch Hunt, called the child a 'he'. Thus, if created, the OGB would be male. If it could have been female, there probably would have been some kind of option in game, such as the Warden asking about 'her', or about 'him', not just about 'the child', but there wasn't. Somehow, I doubt Bioware would make a new game for Dragon Age that would *force* players to be male, and only male. One race, yes, as that would save on having to do a load of voice recording, but alienating those who want to play, or only play, female characters? No. So, codswallop.

The one good thing about the "OGB in DA3" talk is people have accepted that Hawke isn't the OGB (though I'm still expecting some "WFT? I thought Hawke was the OGB" posts come March 8). I did want to address one thing the OP said: BioWare sin't the one retconning your Warden's Ultimate Sacrifice if you import him into Awakening. If you import a dead Warden into Awakening, you are the one doing the retcon, not BioWare. Gruedragon (talk) 14:18, February 7, 2011 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? What's to "accept" about Hawke not being the OGB? The fact that the beginning of DA2 occurs alongside the events of DA:O should rule that out, and it's been established EVERYWHERE. Sure, there's retconning, but no company would retcon to THAT extent, making a character who was already an adult years before the end of the Fifth Blight turn out to be the product of Morrigan's pregnancy. I mean...there's denial, and then there's...well.

ya i agree codswallop :) Cpt. Miller

I kinda hope, that the next game focuses on the old god baby plot line, it's got a huge air of mystery to it. Even if DAO Warden didn't do the ritual Morrigan probably could just go to whoever killed the Archdemon and just pick up the soul of the dead body then go get a child and done. So in DA3, I hope they make it so that your character gets a origin-like story then mets by Morrigan and Warden (if alive) who managed to find her. So they ask the protagonist of DA3 to take care of the Old God Baby because the child is not safe anymore. The child would probably talking by then so he/she will probably be like how sandal & his dad follow you around in DAO. Also I hope that they would then like tell the Protagonist to find Hawke The Champion and get their help in some epic battle against a new enemy never seen before. And all dramatic stuff like that. (talk) 12:05, October 31, 2011 (UTC) LibrayOfAlexandira

Due to the non-canonical nature of the OGB (keep in mind that two of the three pre-built histories for DA2 don't have the OGB), the OGB itself will not play a major role in future DA games. The decision to go through with the ritual may play a major role, but the child itself won't. And if the OGB exists, do you really think Morrigan would hand off the OGB to some random stranger saying "Raise this child for me?" Gruedragon (talk) 15:10, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
Let me get this straight: You think that Morrigan, who leaves if the Warden refuses the ritual, can go up to a dead body and take the destroyed(note: I said destroyed, not dead.) soul of the Archdemon out of it and put it in a baby. I...I ju...but...*continues to stutter in confused disbelief while fading out* --CommanderCousland (talk) 21:36, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, there is much easier way to make the OGB canon, we're dealing with magic here so... without a willing participant the Grey Warden that kills the Archdemon still dies, but the essence of the Old God can be diverted into Morrigan's new fetus... watch she got from any number of possible donors (whether they were conscious of it or not). There done. OGB canon. Did it undo anyone's decision not to do it? Nope! Why? Because your character choose not to accept, that isn't changed. But you don't control every NPC in the game. So :P Morrigan got what she wanted anyway. That's life. Zambingo (talk) 21:53, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

OP: I'm not sure whether I should laugh at you or pity you. But if BioWare goes that route, I am DONE. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 14:13, October 31, 2011 (UTC)