I assumed a great deal of things before they happened in DA2. Anders and his pee bomb was no different (because he went all emotional with varric giving his pillow) But when i got to question him i only got 3 options -be an angel -act like you couldn't care less -kill him
Why oh why didn't we get an option to punch his face first. all here know he deserved it.
Go to hell. I thought what Anders did was a long time coming and perfectly deserved. Anders FTW.Quirkynature (talk) 22:58, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
I'm caught in between, i agree with go to hell, as I fell head over heel in love with anders in both awakening and DA2, but when he blew up the chantry at the end, there was no forgiveness, and I killed him. --Cpt. Miller (talk) 23:04, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
I liked him in Awakening, but hated him in DA 2. He's so hypocrtical! He whines all the time about how the Chantry treats all mages the same, and yet he goes and blows up the Chantry with no regard for the innocents inside. Yes, restrictions of mages need to be loosened, but I also think that outright freedom for Magi would be too dangerous. Anders treats all Andrastians the same, with utter contempt, and never takes into regard all the good that the Chantry does. He is what he hates. King Cousland (talk) 23:13, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
- Did you even listen to him after he blew the chantry. He was fully especting to die. He didn't destory the Chantry out of spite, he did so to force Hawke's hand. He started a war, one that he hoped would result in the mage's freedom. I'll say it again however, he was fully expecting to die.CrowInvictus (talk) 23:52, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
Funny you should ask. My Warden would've punched his face, breaking his nose and knocking him down. Put his foot down (literly, right Anders chest so he couldn't get up.) Followin gthat he would stab his Greatsword, Vigilance right next to his head. Then he would tell Anders to save as many inoccents as he could but the blood on his hands would never be wiped clean. He would help him help and tell him to simply go.CrowInvictus (talk) 23:52, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
The reason Anders doesn't joke around all that much and isn't all laid back is because he's now merged with Justice. Compare Justice in DA:A and Anders in DA:A to Anders/Justice in DA2 and you'll see that the change is to be expected. He said, in a conversation with Isabela, that Justice once asked him why he didn't do anything for the other mages, and although Anders replied that it was too much work, his own answer bothered him. In DA:A, Justice had one goal: kill darkspawn. If you left the Architect alive, he would have to be persuaded or he became hostile. That's single-minded focus on a task. The fact that he's merged with Anders and should bestow his host some of that same single-minded focus shouldn't come as a surprise.
Also, since the Chant of Light says "Magic exists to serve man and never rule over him" and templars are an offshoot of the Chantry and Meredith, especially, looks upon every mage as it they're a blood mage, so the Chantry isn't exactly innocent here. Elthina could have eased the tension by telling Meredith AND Orsino to back off, but she decided to remain pacific and apathetic and stayed put. I think Anders had the right idea, even if his methods were extreme. He could have told Hawke to take Elthina out of the Chantry before he blew it up, not just as a diversion during the 'Justice' questline.Quirkynature (talk) 00:19, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
- Meredith's actions in Act 3 are the result of the Lryium sword manipluating her and teh Chant into her think that all Mages are evil. Before, she saw amgic only a weapon, that could be used for good or ill.CrowInvictus (talk) 00:35, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
YEah I'm beginning to hate him in DA2, his quest where you save the mage I accidentally let him kill her by telling him to get over it already, apparently in DA speak that means "yes please kill the scared woman we came here to save I won't stop you". On my first play through I stopped him. Yet even if he kills her he says the same thing as if he saved her when you go to his clinic, same dialogue with one mention of killing the mage he and hawke act like anders just got a little pissy. If you choose the sarcastic route after his emo meltdown, which is essentially agreeing with him, he gets defensive. It's kinda stupid really, "I'm dangerous!" "yes mages are dangerous" "How dare you say that"
ummm...kay, and how many people does he have in there?
Maybe he needs a new sir pounce-a-lot?TheSabi (talk) 00:26, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
wait my bad
If he and Avaline are in the party together you get party chatter of Anders asking about the girl and how he's like to attend the funeral..mehTheSabi (talk) 00:30, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
I agree that what Anders did was pretty bad, yet if you look at it with open eyes, you can see that it needed to be done. If Anders did not do what he did, then the Mages would always be subjugated to the Templars, the Chantry would control the governments of Thedas. There would never be peace with the Qunari, and most importantly, Flemeth would not be able to get a chuckle. :P User:Genon
It took a lot for me not to kill him after that in the end, even though I agreed with all of his points. Ultimately I just told him to go. His method was insane and he was clearly unstable by then. Now if he would have just killed Meredith, fine, no big deal, but what he did was pretty bad. Awesome to behold, but damn... And I admit, I found him to be somewhat distasteful this game. Whiny and even a little hypocritical at times. He was much harder to like, which may have been the point actually. Even still, I used him a lot as he's the only healer for long stretches of game. The Grey Unknown (talk) 01:38, March 16, 2011 (UTC)
I think that what Anders did was a bit extreme, but look at the long term. If the system had continued, it would have been the exact same result. Meredith would have gone insane and started killing mages anyway, cause of the idol, Orsino would've become the Harvester, and the city would have been absolutely devastated in the process. He sped it up, because as he says, the circle has failed, and he would rather die fighting than prolonging it. I let him live and help fix the mess he caused. If he wanted to instigate this war, then he would see it through.