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I hope I am not being crass/offensive as I do not intend to be. But I couldn't help notice a HUGE Coincidence over the recent news of the terrorist Attack that just happened in Norway this Friday. Apparently it Parallels with the ending of DA2.

In DA2 Anders bombs/explodes the Chantry in Kirkwall. This week, a man by the name of ANDERS Behring Breivik was behind the attacks in Norway this week. :O

While the attacks are both Political. I just thought it was eerie how the name of both people who instigated both attacks have the given name "Anders". And While Anders (DA:Awakening and DA2) is not his real name, it still is an interesting coincidence. Kind of like the film China Syndrome and nuclear explosion in Pennsylvania back in the day.

^This should go into the "you know you play too much DA when..." thread. It'd fit perfectly. And sign your posts.

If terrorists are taking their cues from video games, well...well. I have nothing constructive or even sarcastic to say to that because that's just...I want to say 'absurd' but that's the wrong word. Quirkynature (talk) 21:07, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

You forgot to mention the parallels with the secret government plans to sell cosplayers into slavery. Futonrevoltion (talk) 21:24, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

QuirkyNature, I was not implying that terrorists are taking cues from video games. I am just saying that they are eerie coincidences.

Emperor Florian

Jesus tapdancing Christ. People like you is what's wrong with this world. Dorquemada (talk) 06:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the "terrorists" in Norway, and I'm certainly not going to believe what any government says about them, but Anders should be an inspiration to freedom likers everywhere. :DHomelyDrugAddict (talk) 08:25, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

As far as I know the people of Norway aren't exactly being oppressed like the mages. And in my book killing 91 people by placeing a bomb then openeing fire on a government YOUTH camp isn't a way a make your point. Andy the Black (talk) 08:44, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Oh. I don't know anything about the story. I do like saying ignorant things on the internet though, so I'll keep that there.HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 08:48, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

It came to my mind also, but I wasnt sure would it be inappropriate to post such a thread. There are similarities between anders and breivik, but then again, there are similarities all around. TheMaple (talk) 10:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Anders is a very common name in scandinavia. It's really not that much of a coincidence. Honestly...

This just in: Apparently the real-life terrorist in question was a Dragon Age fan. No, seriously. Apparently his guy was a fan of both DAO and DA2. The author of this article even speculates that RL-Anders even cut his hair to look more like DA-Anders. Oy.

It should be noted that the media has a long history of trying to connect violent crimes to video games that the perpetrator happened to be fond of. Also that the immediate details following any big news event are often somewhat suspect, as commentators rush toward whatever conclusion they like best. The supposed Dragon Age "connection" could easily be just a wild coincidence. In any case, the actions of this Anders guy in Norway are clearly those of a crazed homicidal jackass, inspired by xenophobia and Islamophobia. Playing up the fact that the guy was also a gamer is simply inane.--DarkAger (talk) 16:07, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

He mentions it directly in his 1500+ page manifesto, along with Call of Duty and WoW.

Anyone who says "islamophobic" has no credibility. My argument ends there because debating real life issues on a Dragon Age thread seems very strange.

In my book, someone who hates all Muslims, without distinction, is Islamophobic. It's just another kind of bigotry. I'd inquire as to why you think otherwise, but since you didn't even the balls to sign your own damn edit, I guess I might as well just dismiss you as a troll.--DarkAger (talk) 01:13, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm all for free speech and such, but come on, OP. Norway is going through a national crisis and you're essentially making light of it, intentional or not. Shotgunmaniac (talk) 17:09, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I never, ever intend to read anyone's 1,500 page manifesto, regardless of the subject. Especially when the author is an evil murdering dickbag. Still, I must confess some interest in what context Dragon Age and World of Warcraft were mentioned in said dickbag's rantings. I think I read he mentioned thinking of Call of Duty as some kind of training simulation exercise or something (god what a bastard), but Dragon Age? WoW? What, in this man's sick and twisted little mind, did those two games have to do with anything? I kind of what to know... and at the same time, I kind of really don't want to know, either.--DarkAger (talk) 17:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

He actually mentions using WoW as a cover for illicit activities. Dragon Age got an off the cuff remark as something he played for fun. And yes, Call of Duty was pretty much directly called a murder simulator. Bioshock 2 and Fallout 3 also got mentions in the same capacity as DA:O. I can imagine the press is going to have a field day, unfortunately. "OMG he killed because of videogames!" and "OMG this forest in the game is exactly like the one he went on a spree in!" will undoubtedly be used somewhere.

Honestly, the "generations of cops" part of me wishes they'd just shot the asshole dead. But now we might at least see him handwave the videogame thing. Or completely blame them. Shotgunmaniac (talk) 18:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Well, on the plus side, apparently the guy was hoping he would die during his murderous rampage. I read that his ramblings included his fears about his life turning to shit if he survived and was put on trial by the "multiculturalist" society he so hated.--DarkAger (talk) 01:16, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Oh great. I can definitely see this getting blown out of proportion and turning into another 'video games are evil' campaign. Andy the Black (talk) 17:00, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Yay for free advertisement! On other fronts, I hope that creature listened to Britney Spears or something, so that at least heavy metal gets away unscathed this time. Dorquemada (talk) 17:06, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I listen to Marilyn Manson and have never wanted to kill anyone. Until I tried listening to Britney Spears. Andy the Black (talk) 17:12, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Jesus fucking Christ, this guy drew inspiration for MURDER from DA2? That's some sick shit right there. BioWare's PR BS is really needed now. BW does NOT condone IRL violence, nor does EA, for that matter, I'd like to say. Hating on the game is a different thing, but drawing inspiration from it to commit atrocities is just sick.

Why couldn't he have drawn inspiration from Arkham Asylum and locked himself in a padded cell? This is insane. Quirkynature (talk) 17:34, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, calm down Quirky. I very much doubt that DA was actually the inspiration for his actions. The guy is clearly unhinged and would have likly done this regardless. Andy the Black (talk) 17:43, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

No doubt he was unhinged. It doesn't matter if DA was or wasn't the inspiration for his actions. It's how his manifesto will be perceived. He played DA:O, DA2 and called them "great!" and that's all that's going to matter for those out for blood. VGs get the blame this time, every time. Whether or not he would have done this regardless ceased to matter once the manifesto was brought to light. BW and EA NEEDS to get on top of this--before Fox or some news organization spins this out of control. They wanted damage control, start right here.

The only games mentioned while he was making the bomb are DA:O, DA2 and MW2, and he played WoW. This guy is a nutcase. Also, the link above mentions that he looks like Anders. What happened in Oslo is a tragedy, and I'm sorry it happened, but DA isn't behind this. I feel very strongly about this. Quirkynature (talk) 18:07, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I feel the same way. And your right, there's a good chance this will turn into another witch hunt (see what I did there). I just thought you might be panicking over the possibility that a video game might have actually had a hand in this. Andy the Black (talk) 18:29, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Really the link mentions that the bloke looks like Anders? Who ever wrote that is only saying that to make a hate wave for the game and having people blame it for his actions. Really the only simalitiy I saw was blonde hair other than that he looks nothing like Anders. xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 20:11, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I just read the journal section of the manifesto in its entirety. Dragon Age comes off much lighter than the other mentioned games. Only three mentions and none in relation to any of his activities. If there is to be any video game fallout due to this the likely target is going to be CoD, MW. Simply because it's easier for the mass media to latch onto something massively popular and overtly violent like that. In my opinion the fallout for Dragon Age will be close to negligible, if not non-existent. Michael Largness (talk) 18:50, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

VGs are still in the limelight because of it. CoD didn't do this. Sure, there's 12 years olds spewing profanities like they're adjectives, and, yes, there's undoubtedly an influence left by violence and violent VGs on people, but I doubt they all immediately want to go bomb a place. CoD is one of the most violent VGs out and about, yes, and it portrays violence--it doesn't advocate it. Arkham Asylum portrays violence, too, but you don't see any caped crusaders--wait. Bad example. My point's still valid. Quirkynature (talk) 19:01, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I didn't question your point. Michael Largness (talk) 19:07, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

It's kind of surprising how videogames are reflecting reality in fantastical settings. BioShock gives us the combination of what uncontrolled godless capitalism through the Objectivist view of Ayn Rand would look like mixed in with unrestrained scientific experimentation, all set in the 1940s style Art Deco world of Rapture. Dragon Age, meanwhile, is portraying religious persecution of various groups of people and the "justifications" that the people in those religions have for doing so, with the Chantry being like the Roman Catholic Church gone down the route of Dominion Theology, using its military arm to contain mages if not to totally oppress them and deny them basic human rights and freedoms that non-mages take for granted. With characters like Sister Petrice manipulating things in Kirkwall to inspire hatred against the Qunari and have them ousted, one can see where institutional rot has begun to set in. (VicGeorge2K9 (talk) 18:03, July 24, 2011 (UTC))

Look, I am sorry! I was just mentioning the coincidence of the game and the event. That is all. I never meant to imply that the game had anything to do with the tragic events that happened in Norway. I didn't know "Anders" was a common name in Scandinavia. I was just making conversation. I apologize If I offended anyone. I am really sorry. This is one of the first few things I have ever posted on the wiki as I am a long time reader first time poster and I do like some of the conversations on here. (not one done by the trolls and very negative post that are not constructive.) But Again. I am sorry!

You're taking offense when nobody's directing anything at you. And sign your posts. What happened is a tragedy, and Anders (IRL) is an idiot. I'm directing most of my hate onto idiots like him. You, oddly enough, by merely mentioning a coincidence, spread awareness. That's a plus point in my book. Quirkynature (talk) 20:02, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Once again I agree with my cake eating freind above. Andy the Black (talk) 20:25, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Letsssss just be honest heer, that Anders stuff blowing up the church was very inappropriate in the first place. It doesnt matter if it's a movie, a tv show, or a game; that content itself is unsuitable to any audience. The moment I saw it i was like WHOA1 - stunned, it was too much of a terrorist act to be included in anything to be seen by public. And the fact that we cannot severely harm Anders and watch him suffer agonizingly for the things he did just makes it even worst. Anders could even get away? That's like saying "hey, you can just blow up anything you don't like and walk away - no charge". This is why Dragon Age 2 is just a very bad game compared to Dragon Age Origing. The morals and story of this game is just bad, its about a thug trying make his way into higher status by abusing his physical/magical gift on others, it promotes act of terrorism, and through ripped-off merchant prices make players money-centric. --PierceTheTruth

I couldn't disagree more. Of all the things that makes DA2 a bad game, this isn't one of them. If you're unable to distinguish right from wrong in the events of a work of fiction as opposed to real life, you need serious psychiatric help. This isn't even a game for impressionable youngsters... Anybody with two brain cells to rub together can make the distinction. That said, I still think Anders(DA) is a douche for doing what he did, but that's besides the point. Michael Largness (talk) 20:50, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

I've seen and done far worse in video games in the 20 years I've been playing them. And as the good sir above be said, if you can't work out whats right and whats rong in a game then you then you probably need help. Andy the Black (talk) 20:59, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Quit trying to censor art you piece of shit. Shove your own personal morality up your ass and get off to it. There is NO such thing as inappropriate content, you liberal cock sucking pussy. :)HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 21:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Come on now... There's no need for that. What's inappropriate is up to the individual. It's fine to disagree but there's no need to make it so personal. Michael Largness (talk) 21:26, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Did you really went there and compared a real life tragedy to a video game scenario? If so, well...fuck you in all holes, you disgusting barf of a vulture. Dorquemada (talk) 22:28, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

As "inappropriate" as it may seem for Anders to blow up a church, it is the unfortunate circumstance of living in a world of religious intolerance, where religions may inspire either through their tenets or in spite of them for individuals like Anders to resort to violence against "all things sacred and holy", like the Islamic terrorist attack against the World Trade Towers on September 11 (although that seems to say about what Americans really consider "sacred and holy"). In the case of the Dragon Age universe, it is the Kirkwall Chantry's attempt to appease and control both mages and templars through inaction and staying neutral to the problems that beset both camps that doomed it to its fate. The famous saying of "the best way for evil to triumph is for good people to sit back and do nothing about it" seems to come into play here.

...I am sorry I even started this forum topic. :( BlairCousland

Look, even if this guy did take his 'name' and haircut from Dragon age. He would have done it if Dragon Age did not exist. The key difference is Anders (in-game) felt he was 'helping' people by blowing up the Chantry - helping the oppressed. This guy does not think he is helping people at all - so if he took inspiration from Anders - he did not do it very well 92.30.120.174 (talk) 22:40, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

For future reference doing the Game inspires real life events never ends well. Politicians have done it and there has been a sh*tstorm every time for that ignorant blameful view, people are murderers because they are murderers, just as simple as that. Tommyspa (talk) 22:42, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

We should not compare the real life and fictional anders', the scenarios are polar opposite and comparing their similarites insults both Norweigians and Dragon Age fans.--Gboy4 (talk) 23:03, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Look, I think we should end this thread with condolences to the families and friends of all those affected. We feel you loss. It doesn't matter who did it or why they did it. We should, and the media, all be trying to HELP those affected, not place different blames on the killer, the law will do that. Jamie Jones54842 (talk) 23:14, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Condolences and prayers to all affected. Quirkynature (talk) 23:17, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Hear hear. Michael Largness (talk)

Indeed.--DarkAger (talk) 01:16, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

I concur. And again I apologize if I offended anyone.