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I can't believe I've never noticed this before. When you play the human noble origin, you make your way to the room where you originally met Arl Howe, and find Sir Gilmore and the other knights trying to hold the gate closed. The thing is, this gate doesn't lead outside the castle, it only leads to the courtyard with the two small adjoining rooms, and two adjoining hallways. The soldiers trying to break down that gate aren't outside the castle. They should be in the courtyard, but you can't see them from the adjoining halls. They aren't there, and if they were, they wouldn't have to break down that gate, since the doors on either side of the room are open. Oops. LVTDUDE (talk) 01:14, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Here's another one. Not sure if it's a mistake, but it doesn't make much sense to me. You must have five of the six parties voting at the landsmeet side with you or else you lose! This makes little sense, as four is still the majority and three should be at the very least a draw. I have not heard of any real world democracy that needs such a vast majority in order to decide anything. I suppose there wasn't developement time to explore the possibility of a tie or a simple 2/3 majority. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 01:56, October 25, 2011 (UTC)


about the gate on the human noble origin i always asumed it was because of the debris on the sides that prevented the enemy troops to get through those archways.02:14, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I thought of that too, but that debris at the south end was minimal, and could have been moved easily (easier than battering down a reinforced door.) It still doesn't account for there being no visible soldiers when you view the courtyard from that area of debris. Maybe Howe's men had the power of invisibility??? LVTDUDE (talk) 04:32, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

It's an oligarchy not a democracy and it is not unheard of for when a vote is taken to require more than a simple majority especially for serious issues, like picking the next monarch in the middle of a civil war.174.45.9.40 (talk) 03:22, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to take a moment and point out that two-thirds (or 4/6) is not a simple majority, but a supermajority. A simple majority is 50% + 1. ... now that I've typed it out, I realized that they're the same in this case... Still, if greater than half the but not 5/6 of the nobles side with the warden, why should Loghain get to declare victory and begin the resulting skirmish? (Everyone in the mentioned vote was on my side except for Loghain, Ceorlic, and that guy with the funny red pants I forget the name of. This means that both the revered mother and Anora were on my side. So again I ask: HOW DOES LOGHAIN WIN WITH 1/3 OF THE VOTES?! i(Not angry, just emphasizing.) --Isolationistmagi (talk) 01:45, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
See below. You do not see the whole vote, just the most important characters, which in your case were not persuasive enough to sway the majority against Loghain. Note that the last guy is not actually throwing in a vote but expressing the general attitude of the gathered nobles (the crowd around him is cheering and applauding to him). Also, Anora and Grand Cleric do not count as a vote; again, they are only providing points of support to your case. If you ruin it with bad argumentation, you can lose. - But I do agree that the discrepancy between the point system behind the mechanism and the way the "vote" looks on the screen is really confusing. --Ygrain (talk) 05:12, October 27, 2011 (UTC)


The crowd of nobles raising the roof, at the end of the tallied vote, are the majority of the voters. The Warden needs almost all of the key political players in their pocket, in order to sway the rank-and-file voters. Futonrevoltion (talk) 04:11, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Lol raising the roof. Ok, this isn't really to place to talk about it probably, but I once did not get Anora's vote and then I got everyone else's vote. I still lost. I don't get how this can be. I even followed the wiki... Xelestial (talk) 01:57, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
Well, you didn't get that douche Ceorlic's vote, since he always votes for Loghain (Interestingly he is voiced by the same guy as Loghain, even though it doesn't sound like it.) Anora's vote (3 points) cancels out 3 named Banns (1 point each), so if you killed Vaughan, or forgot to rescue Irminric, it is possible to lose the vote. Rescuing Irminric is huge, because saving him gets you Alfstanna's vote (1 point) AND the Grand Cleric's vote (2 points.) Maybe it was a glitch?  ;) LVTDUDE (talk) 03:52, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
Nope, no glitch. Ceorlic's vote is defaultly outweighed by Bryland, but what counts is the choice, and sometimes the order, of arguments. There are combinations where you have Anora's suppport, all the votes except Ceorlic's, and still lose :-) If you're interested in details, check the new version of The Landsmeet Decision at The Landsmeet, as well as Forum: The Landsmeet Mechanism. It's not 100% sure, but quite close, I hope. --Ygrain (talk) 12:06, October 26, 2011 (UTC)
I love the Audrey Hepburn voice that Templeman went with for Bann Ceorlic; it's possibly the only time I've heard his voice, without immediately recognizing it (which made Tali's trial in ME2 pretty hilarious for me). The only thing that bugs me about him is, considering the events/timeline of Stolen Throne, why does he seem a good twenty years older than Loghain? Futonrevoltion (talk) 16:09, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Huh, I never thought about that before. Interesting. Maybe Howe's men didn't realize there were other paths? And besides, they'd gotten in around that sealed gate anyway since you fight through bunches of them when trying to escape. So why are they trying to break that door, when they're already in? Dracowrath (talk) 12:41am October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe they smelled cake? LVTDUDE (talk) 05:09, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
Didn't you hear Sten? The cake is a lie! Dracowrath (talk) 1:11am October 25, 2011 (UTC)
Doesn't mean they didn't smell it! LVTDUDE (talk) 23:39, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
So that their numbers would count for something they wouldn't get bottlenecked in the corridors.96.48.173.229 (talk) 01:34, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
The corridors on the sides were blocked off leaving that the only path, possibly by the cousland men when they realized the main gate was lost and fell back to the last defensible position. Maybe a small number climbed through the debris and that is why you encounter some howe men past that point, or they just were already inside before they became hostile.174.45.9.40 (talk) 15:33, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
I always assumed Howe's men made the blockades to keep people from escaping. I also never considered that Cousland's men would purposely set fires inside their own castle, but I suppose under desperate circumstances, they might. My main point is that those soldiers breaking down the door should be visible in the courtyard if you are standing by the barricaded south corridor. The questions regarding using the side corridors is secondary. I do think it would be funny if Howe's men had someone named River in their group, who heads down the side passage, enters the main hall, slaughters everyone single-handedly, and is waiting there when they finally break through the door. LVTDUDE (talk) 23:05, October 27, 2011 (UTC)
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