I have been somewhat pessimistic in how Bioware will implement the Warden and Hawke into Inquisition. I know they've been light on the details, and there isn't much say for how they will appear-- if they even appear at all, but until we know just how that's done, I can't help but speculate.
One thing I hope it doesn't come down to, is if we have to literally face our Warden in some way-- or worse, kill them. (The same could be said for hawke but tbh I was never really attached to my hawke all that much.)
So...Could you kill your Warden? or depending on how many playthroughs you've had, could you kill your favorite Warden? 69.171.166.242 (talk) 09:56, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
- I already killed one in DA:O... actually the one that looked like me in real life... -- Marvin Arnold (talk) 10:58, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
The Warden's story is done and he/she won't be a protagonist again. I wouldn't kill the warden if I don't have too but if the Warden needs to be sacrificed well isn't it better to go out with a bang? The Warden will be nothing but a footnote in history after the fifth Blight. The best the Warden will be doing is a couple of years of domestic bliss with the Warden's significant other and eventually be corrupted by the taint and forced to face the Calling.(Sports72Xtrm (talk) 11:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC))
This is problematic to the utmost degree actually. The warden being in the game needs to be managed very carefully as is. To a much lesser degree the same goes for Hawke. But I can't imagine bioware would ever put this new protagonist in a situation where they would have to, or need to, to kill an old one. There would be serious fallout from that. Even in a noble sacrifice vein, and even if it makes total sense, a great many would still not take kindly to the subtle, yet unmistakable bitch slap that would actually be. I can't believe they'd be that dumb. It would be like murder knifing dragon age. The Grey Unknown (talk) 12:55, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Agree with Grey on this point, it has to be understood that we as players hold the fate of the Warden and Hawke. They, unsurprisingly, belong to us on individual basis' and killing them would make a lot of people angry, for those who purposefully allowed the Warden to stay alive. Why do such a thing, when by wanting them alive, we'd want a little something elseLazare326 (talk) 13:07, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Depends how strong the Inquisitor is I guess. I doubt he/she will be stronger than either of my current custom characters from Origins/Awakening. If the game requires the Origins character's slaying, so be it, but I won't continue with the Dragon Age series in that case, or I would reject it as canon. But I don't think BioWare will do this. Not only would it be franchise suicide, but it would be impossible to work into the game. Some Wardens go through the eluvian with Morrigan, and presumably only get stronger. Some disappear mysteriously. How would all of them culminate into a fate where they run into the Inquisitor and find themselves at odds with him/her. Also, the trailer seems to show Leliana. In that case, most Wardens will be defended by her. Then there's Cassandra and Varic, who have been looking for the Champion for a while now. The Inquisitor would not cut either of them down if he or she wants to keep these companions loyal. Believe it! (talk) 15:47, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
My Warden was a max level Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage. I doubt I'd have the power to kill him even if I wanted to. 67.61.234.198 (talk) 16:01, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
Kill? No. Fight? Maybe as an optional superboss. I wouldn't mind a duel, provided BioWare could pull it off correctly. This would mean incorporating not only race, gender, and class but also specializations and maybe even specific abilities. And that's not even getting into the issue of equipment, weapons, & appearance. And the Warden couldn't be voiced. If BioWare could do all that, and if it made sense story-wise, and it was an optional fight, and it was a superboss, then facing the Warden might actually be kinda cool. But I doubt they could do all that.
Same deal with Hawke, though it would be much easier to do. It'd actually be fun to have Hawke fight Varric & Cassandra, and have the fight be unwinnable or end in a draw. Varric could tell Cassandra: "See? I told you I wasn't exaggerating." Silver Warden (talk) 19:48, April 23, 2014 (UTC)
if you had to fight either of them because they were temporarily possed (like when Justice took control of Anders in DA2 Legacy) then i would fight them but not if i didnt have too, i wouldnt want to kill either my warden or Hawke and probably couldnt kill either anyway (both are very powerfull mages with Mabari who wants to kill a mage with a mabari thats just stupid)
Personally, I probably could but I wouldn't want it forced. However, if we got the option, I like the duel idea, but also a fight to the death could be interesting. Say your Inquisitor chooses to support Templars, and you encounter a Mage Hawke or warrior Hawke with Mage sister. Or this possible conflict with the Wardens seen in the trailers. Having to fight them because of choices you've made would be realistic. So, depending on the situation and how it's presented, I would be interested to see that play out. But I doubt BioWare will implement it that way. SenjiBen (talk) 00:28, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
Hell Yeah! i'm all for it! :D an EPIC FIGHT between LEGENDS!!!! the NPC's will sing of this battle for cyber years to come!!! The will find rhymes for how the sky darkened, and thunder rained down from teh heavens from all around the two combatants! and when their steel clashed, it rang and ECHO'd through TIME and SPACE!!!!! f*ing awesome :D Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 10:14, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
Well, considering DA is a RPG game I'd have no problem offing one or more of my Wardens, because I'd be roleplaying the Inquisitor by then. Yammamoto69 (talk) 11:27, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
It all depends on his reason for being there. If they give a convincing enough reason for why my Warden would abandon his life with Leliana and not tell her why he was leaving, then I'd only be okay with killing him if it was to end his suffering or something like that. If they give a crappy reason why my Warden would do something my Warden wouldn't do, I would have no problem killing him, because my brain would consider him an evil clone of my Warden.
That said, adding the Warden and Hawke in any significant way--especially if they are to be interacted with--just sounds way too risky. HELO (talk) 13:36, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
i like the last line that "silverwarden" said about : varic telling cassandra that he wasn't exagerating about hawk it made me laugth but let's move on to my idea : after reading the article about cammeron lee by ausegamer there a feeling of terrible dread that suddenly clutching my heart what if they ( the warden cmdr and the champion ) are part of the peace delegation at the temple of the ash ? ( and thus caugh in the mega blast and killed at the beginning of the game ? ) on one hand that would make it easy for bioware to bring the warden and hawk books to a definite and ireversible close but on the other i think that would be a too ignoble and meaningless, pointless end for our heroes/heroines i would much prefere that they not show up at all in place of that ! DragonInquisitor (talk) 14:38, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
- I don't think your scenario will happen, but it did kinda make me flinch for a second. As much as Bioware wants, and probably needs, to bring the Warden's and Hawke's stories to a natural closure (which despite what has been said has not happened), I can't imagine them killing them both like that. But I have to admit, as bad an idea as I think that would be, and as bad as it would probably end up being for DAI, I really do think Bioware has probably bantered about such an idea. And it would not surprise me if many of them thought it a good idea. I know they tout the world as the focal point of the series, and they are not totally wrong to do so. But the characters we create in that world are far, far more important in the end to us. Which I do think gets kinda lost on them at times. So as far fetched as it should be, I can't really say something like that won't happen. The Grey Unknown (talk) 15:40, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
- I could forgive Bioware for doing that to Hawke, but not the Warden. Unless they somehow secretly also survived the blast and/or were behind it and/or the Inquisitor is really the OGB come back from an alternate future to save Thedas. (/Facetious) Silver Warden (talk) 16:09, April 24, 2014 (UTC)
thats an unpleasant thought (that the warden and Hawke could both die like that) though no complaints from me if Bioware decided they wanted to kill Alistair like that...sure he was awrsome for my femwarden to romance in EVERY DAMN PLAYTHROUGH. but im just kinda sick of how much attention hes been getting since DAO and the fact even when a femwarden shows no interest in him he still is in love with her same goes for Anders in DA2.
I would not be happy with killing off a previous main character, especially if we didn't have a choice in the matter. I hope Bioware learned their mistake when they killed off Revan and the Jedi Exile so trivially. It totally cheapened the previous game when the player character is reduced to a minor boss or is disposed of in a book. I think its best left to our imagination what happens to the previous main characters such as the case in Neverwinter Nights.
I played my warden and Hawke as close to my ethics as the game would possibly allow. No unneeded death and helped when I can. My views within the games "politics" are the same as my view on real politics: my business. If I were to run into my Warden and/or Hawke. If given the choice I would not outright kill them. If they had changed in any sort of way. Meaning their views have changed to conflict with mine on an extreme level I would still not kill them if given the choice. I would beat the crap out of them if I could, but leave them alive. Those two characters on my play through files hold my views and ethics with them at the time I played them. So I would know if they changed. And because their ethics are my ethics and that means my choices are based off those ethics. There is no way to say I am wrong with MY play through files. Now if we were to meet on the field of battle. and they had changed, they would fall. I would have no problem doing it eitherGreyWolf84 (talk) 07:26, April 25, 2014 (UTC)
Probably but it's all about context. It would have be really convincing case for killing them.
There would need to be a Loghain/Alistair style choice. You could kill/exile this person or not with clear benefits for both choices. I don't mean you choose between Hawke and the Warden or anything like that, but killing or not killing these two people, if it's in the game at all, would have to be completely the player's choice. These two specific characters may as well have been made by us. We would have to have complete control of their fate. Also, on a side note, does anyone think we will have a ME3 style 'fate of the world' ending decision?--KnightofMight19 (talk) 18:30, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
- Lord I hope not. If Bioware has learned anything from their past mistakes, ME3's ending would have to be it. Besides, DA3 may not even be the end of the series. Silver Warden (talk) 19:03, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
If you ask me, the warden shouldn't be in the game at all. But going with the assumption that they are, yeah I wouldn't have any qualms with it- god knows I've killed them plenty of times in non-canon stories. ----Isolationistmagi 19:46, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
Ok, first of all... That whole thing about "Warden's story is done" is bullshit. His story ends only with his death. And as 80% people decided to let their Warden live, his story CANNOT be done. Even less so if he is the father of the powerful archdemon baby. He is the first Warden to survive the killing of Archdemon. The First Warden in Weishauptt is absolutely going to investigate that. No way in Hell will he allow his brethren to march into certain death if it can be avoided. And Warden is the guy who holds the answers. His role as protagonist is over, sure, but his role in the events of Dragon Age? His "story"? That ain't done. Shit is yet to hit the fan.--Markurion (talk) 20:20, April 26, 2014 (UTC)
No. If I were forced to face the Warden on the battle field I would lose on purpose (because my Warden is unfuckwitable) and the Inquistor's Journey would end there. Thedas is doomed. -- Soulofshezarr (talk) 17:56, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
No! I could NEVER kill my Warden! I'm having a hard time coping with their disappearance as it is! I feel the same way about Hawke, though. I came to like Hawke after my second playthrough of the game.Aedan Amell (talk) 03:41, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Depends. If a mission in DAI has you finding your Warden going to their Calling, then yeah. My Warden is a female City Elf, and the last thing Thedas needs is another Broodmother. I'd want her going down with a fight, then asking the Inquisitor to help help her end it. 12:43, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Some of my Wardens were total dicks. --TheQunAndFriends (talk) 16:43, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
I'd rather not kill my Wardens. I fell in love with DA:O, and I feel each of my four Wardens deserve a happy ending. Hopefully, my Wardens can have whatever happended to Fiona happen to them and they can not ever have to do the Calling. Come on Avernus get your ancient butt working faster! --Jamirflyd (talk) 16:59, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Nope but of course if they would put warden into game it wouldn't be our warden only bioware warden not mine ,as every player created their own starting on appearance ending on unique personality that's why i don't want them in game.I agree that warden story isn't over as long they are alive however doesn't mean that we will have to see that story and hell how story ended for the warden was up to player for example 1 warden could be chancellor another stay with grey wardens and another leave grey warden and many other possibilities.So puting them into game not only will destroy personality of character that player created by replacing it by random character created by bioware but also fate that player chosen for own character.So in my book they should just leave them alone and let player who created them decide what they are doing off-screen. Minsc and boo.
If the Warden is some "footnote" after thought then I'll have wasted my time playing DAO. How is the guy who saved the world from a blight ever a footnote?--152.20.137.231 (talk) 22:23, May 5, 2014 (UTC)