Forum:Could Corypheus control the Architect?

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Theoretically speaking of course, could Corypheus control the Architect/his disciples the same way he does Grey Wardens? I always liked the Architect better tbh but I always felt Corypheus was much more powerful. MarkVoided (talk) 10:51, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

That would be... an interesting match up... Corypheus vs. the Architect... The Liberater of the Darkspawn, versus the Original Darkspawn... i think the Architect would be screwed... because of the mind control thing.. yet at the same time, during the events of "the Calling" and Awakening, it's revealed that the Architect and his diciples are free from the Song. they don't hear it.. maybe that would help? i honestly don't know.. It's also strange to think that there are different factions of darkspawn... they always seemed so hive minded to me... Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 14:30, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I assume the Architect and his disciples would be immune to his Call, given that they are separated from the Old Gods' Call. Remember, the Architect himself awakened and corrupted Urthemiel. What if all Archdemons are awoken that way? Not necessarily by the Architect himself, but by other beings like him?

There are a lot of similarities between the two, which are even pointed out in the game itself. The Architect performed a botched Awakening ritual on Urthemiel in order to 'unravel the curse at its source'. He might have been better off performing the ritual on Corypheus.

One thing that really stands out about Corypheus is that his Call affected untainted dwarves. Not even the Old Gods can do that. So perhaps he could affect the Architect's disciples, but I think it's more likely the the ritual he used to awaken them would protect him from his Call. However the Architect himself was 'born' apart from the call, just like the dwarves were. Ironically the Architect might be susceptible to Corypheus's Call while his disciples are not. Maybe an awakened darkspawn is needed to permanently slay Corypheus? Now that would be some delicious irony. Silver Warden (talk) 18:47, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I think Corypheus would be able to affect the Architect because Corypheus can control all who have the taint and the Architect is born directly from the taint.--W.bodnaruk (talk) 18:53, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Could Corypheus control an ancient magister like him? It would be a struggle.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 19:00, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Except that the Architect has a unique immunity to the Old Gods' Call, despite his tainted nature. That immunity may apply to Corypheus too, which is really the question at hand. And Drell, we don't know for sure that the Architect is an ancient magister. There's a distinct possibility that he is one - in fact its the best explanation for his existence that I can think of, but we don't know he's one of the magisters. Right now he's still a mystery. Silver Warden (talk) 19:11, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I didn't say "Architect", I said "an ancient magister", someone else.FirstDrellSpectre (talk) 19:25, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I see. Well, the OP asks about the Architect, not other magisters, so you'll have to excuse my assumption that you were identifying one as the other. Silver Warden (talk) 19:52, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Theoretically speaking, if you wonder if Corypheus could control the Architect, you should consider this: They are both ancient tevinter Magisters who entered the Golden City. Can one Archdemon control the other? I doubt it. It's highly likely that The Architect will aid Wardens in fight against Corypheus. He is incredibly gentle and down-to-earth, for a Tevinter Magister.--Markurion (talk) 20:07, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Markurion, I will repeat my remark to Drell to you: we don't know for sure that the Architect is an ancient magister. There's a distinct possibility that he is one - in fact it's the best explanation for his existence that I can think of, but we don't know he's one of the magisters. Right now he's still a mystery. Silver Warden (talk) 21:46, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for making you repeat that. But still... Is there ANYTHING we know for certain? Nope. Here on Wikia, we just use our own speculations, and are competing who will be right. :D Anyway, The Architect has similar model design like Corypheus, or rather, vice versa. He was the first to resist the "song" of the Archdemons, and began "waking" other darkspawn. He is a mage. He is old. He knows awful lot about things even Wardens don't. He is Tevinter Magister, of that I have no doubt in my mind. What is his purpose in this story, and his goal... that remains to be seen.--Markurion (talk) 01:20, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Actually, some things are known for certain. The facts that are confirmed in the games, books, comics, codex, etc. - they are known for certain. We know for certain that Corypheus is an ancient magister because the game confirms it. We can only make an educated guess as to what the Architect is, because the games (and nothing else I've seen) do not confirm what he is. Yes, Legacy points out the similarities between the two but it is never overtly stated that the Architect is a magister and until/unless it is, he's still a mystery.

By the way, there are several differences between the two. Corypheus is way more powerful, for one thing. The Architect can't Call to anyone like Corypheus can (as far as we know). He probably can't transfer his soul either, otherwise one of wardens would have gotten possessed when/if he is killed. I guess technically Velanna, Sigrun, Nathaniel, or Ogrhen could be possessed by the Architect and we just don't know it, but that seems unlikely. So maybe the Architect is something else, like a one-in-a-million mutation. Or maybe he was born from one of the first broodmothers, which would make him the 'son' of a magister. Maybe the darkspawn degenerated in power and intelligence over time, and the Architect is just an old hold out from one of the earliest generations of darkspawn. Maybe he was created by some unknown person or persons for some reason or another - the result of a grey warden experiment on hurlock emissaries, for example. Maybe he's an OGB all growed up. Maybe he's actually Morrigan's OGB which has the power to time travel and is manipulating the darkspawn for some nefarious or benevolent purpose.

The point is, we don't know he's magister. It's the best explanation for him presented thus far, but there are others, some even more or less ridiculous than the ones I listed above. And we may never know what he is/was. Declaring him to be one thing or another when he hasn't ben confirmed to be anything other than a male, humanoid darkspawn is unwise. It could lead some people thinking it's an absolute fact that he's a magister. There's no need to confuse the issue by presenting theory (however likely it is) as fact. Silver Warden (talk) 03:02, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

WHAT THE F@#$!? the architect could be an Ancient Magister!?!?! i didn't know that! :O someone PLEASE elaborate on all this!!! I didn't play Legacy because my Dragon Age 2 kept crashing after my first playthrough for some reason :( Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 12:18, April 27, 2014 (UTC)

Well, he talks and he's sentient but he isn't really much like Corypheus otherwise. Prior to his Awakening redesign, the Architect was described throughout The Calling as appearing like a regular Hurlock in simple robes. For the cools he was probably just updated for a unique design in Awakening or maybe because he'd been injured towards the end of the novel, I dunno.

Anyways, while Corypheus still remembers and believes he's a Magister and that it's still the Ancient Age/Era, the Architect did not and only ever said that he did not know why he was the way he was and compared himself to (albeit a rarer case than) why some humans and elves are born mages and others are not.

That aside, he's immune to the Call/Song of the Old Gods, and he is stated to have a limited power of domination over non-Disciple darkspawn. Personally I'd say he's just a special darkspawn, not a magister turned darkspawn. And on topic (sorry for that), I would imagine he would be immune to Corypheus' call.

As for the dwarves, well, it had been stated that Janeka contacted them, that they'd been eating darkspawn flesh, became ghouls and even prior to that were around the Taint due to the proximity of their 'base' to the prison. It's possible they were Tainted, then ate the flesh then Janeka got to them. Nothing super suggests that Corypheus can contact untainted dwarves as Varric was completely unaffected by his Call. User:ChaosMorning