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Ok,I think I know what is canon in Dragon Age: The Warden:
Human Noble Warrior(Champion-Templar or Reaver)
Saves Connor and his Mother,releases Jowan(goes by the Circle's Ritual)
Convinces Zathrian and The Lady of the Forest to sacrifice
Saves The Ashes of Andraste from the Cult,lets the brother to tell everyone about the ashes
Cures Arl Eamon
Puts Harrowmont as king,kills Branka
Spares Loghain,puts Alistair as king
All of his companions in DAO and DAA survive.
works for Meeran
aCCEPTS Dougals offer
Puts Carver as a Warden
Becomes Champion and Viscount
Sides with the mages
Spares Anders,lets Sebastian leave
- Human Noble
- Mages, Dalish, and Harrowmount recruited.
- Caridin supported and Ashes disappeared.
- Alistair rules alone and Loghain is killed.
- Dark Ritual accepted and the Warden kills Archie.
- Zevran, Shale, Avernus, and Sophia Dryden survive. Cailan's body is not recovered.
- Amaranthine is saved, Vigil's Keep is destroyed, and Nathaniel Howe dies.
Amusingly, the most important world-changing decision in DA:A (to allow/deny Architect's agenda) is not recorded.
- If you take her to Deep Roads and side with Bianca, she sides with Caridin and you have to kill her. Dorquemada (talk) 14:58, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Though the Warden reflects what kind of person the player is, I'd hold off on canonizing yourself, as a saint and/or Laidlaw's decree from on high. User: Futonrevoltion
The only things that are cannon are the things that will happen in every playthrough regardless of decisions made. A new recruit joined the Wardens at Ostagar. That is canon. That recruit and Alistair gathered the treaties to build an army. That is canon. Which armies they were (Mages or Templar, Dalish or Werewolves) is not canon. They called a Landsmeet to challenge Loghain. That is canon. The outcome is not canon. The Arch Demon was killed and the Blight ended. That is canon. Who struck the killing blow and whether or not the Dark Ritual was performed, those are not canon. Leliana is alive in DA2. That is canon. Whether she survived Origins or was returned to life somehow in Haven is not canon. Rayvio (talk) 16:18, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
- Exactly. I read somewhere(can't really remember) that Gaider or Laidlaw said there was no such thing as canon in Dragon Age. Canon is whatever you want it to be by playing through it. Mind you, they may do the OP's scenario for the movie or something. --CommanderCousland (talk) 19:02, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
What do you want to achieve with this? Establish your playthrough as canon? I don't get the point. There are multiple canons, DA II didn't have a singular canon, so why should future installments have a singular true canon? Lemonaidz (talk) 19:49, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
- You really shouldn't take the trailers seriously, because they don't necessarily have anything to do with the actual gameplay. Like the Sacred Ashes trailer, where Sten has a really different design, and you fight darkspawn on the top of the mountain, which doesn't happen in the game. Also it can be argued that the trailer Warden isn't a noble, but rather an Arcane Warrior, since the same character can be seen coating his sword with fire in the Calling trailer. And Hawke can't wear the champion outfit for the Arishok battle unless you use mods, and the finishing spell is also different in game and doesn't work on the Arishok... So all in all, never believe any trailer. They are just made to look pretty and cool.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 07:08, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
I'd suspect they'd avoid these senarios in any movie to avoid canon, and if they did choose one, it would probably be the first pre-built history you choose in DAII. Plus, Hawke can't side with the mages and become the Viscount. 220.127.116.11 (talk) 21:35, June 5, 2011 (UTC)
- The female Jedi exile in SWKOTOR2 couldnt gain Brianna as a companion, but it was established canon that she did. Anyway, canonocity sucks. Why cant movies and shows just be prequals to things like DA? That way, poeple like me dont get upset that our choices dont count, and people like... uh... you know... dont get... whatever. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 00:00, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Ugh, canon. I hated it when Lucasarts did that to Revan (Light Side, male, gets Bastila Shan in the end), and the Exile (Light Side and female, to appease the fans who asked why Revan couldn't be canonicaly female) and, IIRC, the guys at Bioware weren't exactly thrilled at the prospect, either.
I hope that, at least, they haven't forgotten that, although they've apparently forgotten about the backlash that making Revan disappear caused back in the day.
There is no such thing as canon for Dragon Age because the story is so changed by each person's playthrough. The trailers shown for Sacred Ashes and DA2 are the choice of the developers. Hawke was a mage in DA2 so that they could show off both the new up-close combat as well as magic. The Warden was a warrior because they wanted to show every style of fighting (Sten shows 2 handed, Leliana shows dual blades and bow, Morrigan shows magic). These characters are not canon, there is no such thing for this game. Certain events, as said by User:Rayvio above, are canon but others have various outcomes and cannot be canon. User:Eggy2504, 12:09, 6 June, 2011
What? What movie? Are we talking about imaginary things now? This thread is confusing the shit out of me. It just has no point. There is no singular canon. DA II allowed you to choose any canon you wanted for DAO. Why should they change that with DA 3? Even if there was a movie about DAO or DA II, it wouldn't necessarily have to be considered as canon, it would just be what the directors chose to be the most interesting or best story for the film. Lemonaidz (talk) 12:42, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
If I remember right Gaider said that all stories told in the Dragon Age universe would be different, that there wouldn't be books or movies of any story told in the game and vice versa. Other than the anime movie that was announced ages ago with no mention since, there hasn't been any talk of a movie other than speculation either. But if there is to be a movie, expect it to be either a prequel or only reference the unchangeable things. Rayvio (talk) 12:46, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
The anime movie came out already? I thought that was what we were talking about. Plus there is Dragon age redemption web series coming up. -Edit- oh you said announced... my bad. Nevermind Crimpycracker (talk) 15:11, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Wow, people are still talking about making a movie of Dragon Age? It would be impossible, there's no way to please everyone. If they chose a human noble, people would say: "Why not an elf?". If they chose an elf origin, people would ask: "Why not a human?" The minute they agree to a set 'canon' for either game, they are detracting from the options we had as players, which totally counteracts a major selling point of the series, particularly so for Origins. The minute Bioware chooses an option for us, it establishes all other options as 'wrong'. If they set the rules for us, it would hardly be a role-playing game anymore. I did however enjoy the books, and if there was ever to be a movie set in the Dragon Age world, I'd certainly prefer it to be either some sort of prequel, or following up on an established npc or companion, prior to their involvement in the games so far. It's unlikely to happen though, and personally I'm happy with that. Felinae Silvestris (talk) 18:06, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
Even though I have never seen that web series I am pretty sure it is no adaptation of either DAO or DA II. Even if, it is not even a movie, just a low-budget web series.
If a producer actually made a movie on DAO or DA II he wouldn't care what Bioware considered as canon, he'd just do whatever would be most commerical or just the best option for a movie. It's obvious that a movie couldn't encompass every single event of DAO, so would it be canon that these events never happened? No, of course not. The movie just couldn't be long enough to fit every event of DAO inside, that's one of the limits for the medium "commercial cinema movie". Lemonaidz (talk) 18:29, June 6, 2011 (UTC)
As somebody said, the only things that are canon in the Dragon Age universe of games are the events that take place regardless of player decisions, while the rest of it is mostly conditional. For events that took place in Dragon Age II, for example:
1. Hawke flees Lothering with his/her family, losing one of his/her siblings to the ogre in the Wilds.
2. Aveline is married to Ser Wesley and loses him to the Blight.
3. Flemeth appears and helps Hawke and his/her family reach Gwaren, so they could get to Kirkwall.
4. Hawke gets his/her family into Kirkwall with the help of one of Gamlen's contacts.
5. Hawke meets Varric, who becomes his/her companion.
6. Hawke funds Bartrand's expedition into the Deep Roads.
7. Hawke finds the lyrium idol, which Bartrand takes while locking him/her up along with Varric.
8. Hawke and Varric escape the Deep Roads.
9. Hawke buys the former Amell Estate and moves into it along with his/her mother.
10. The idol drives Bartrand crazy, and he ends up selling it to Meredith.
11. Hawke loses his/her mother to Quentin.
12. Hawke battles the Qunari near the end of Act II, which the Grey Wardens show up during the events, and is made the Champion of Kirkwall.
13. Tensions between the mages and the templars heat up to the boiling point in Act III.
14. Anders blows up the Chantry, leading to Meredith invoking the Right of Annulment.
15. Hawke fights in the Second Battle of Kirkwall, eventually having to kill both Orsino and Meredith.
16. Hawke flees Kirkwall before Cassandra Pentaghast gets a hold of Varric.
My Warden's Canon is this
Recruit Leliana and Sten
Romance Leliana and Start Quest Leliana's Past and if possible The Sword of the Beresaad
Goes to Denerim stock on supplies and kill Marjolaine
Ends the Curse of Werewolfs once and for all
Side with Caradin
Have Harrowmont King
Start a Golem's Memories
Save Red Cliff Village (No Fatalities)
Set Jowan free never to return
go the Tower of Magi to save Conner
Side with Mages
Finish The Sword of the Beresaad Quest If possible start quest(s) Wynne's Regret and Flemeth's Real Grimoire
Kill Flemeth and Finish Wynne's Regret
Do the Ceremony and get the pinch of sacred ashes
cures Arl of Redcliff and go to the Lands Meet
Kill Loghain and Alistair Rules Jointly with Anora
All of his companions in DAO and DAA survive.
"Becomes Champion and Viscount
Sides with the mages"
Here is the DAO canon as I understand it:
- Trian dies, potential dwarf warden is exiled
- Endrin dies
- Bhelen and Harrowmont contest for Orzammar throne
- Branka Takes her house into the deep roads minus Oghren
- Oghren is stripped of rank and forbidden to bear arms
- Branka is found
- A new king is crowned
- Beraht runs the carta
- The proving is fixed
- Leske and dwarf warden are imprisoned
- Beraht dies
- The Carta is destroyed
- Tamlen and dalish warden encounter mirror, both are tainted
- Tamlen dies
- Marethari's clan leaves
- Zathrian's clan is attacked by werewolves
- The conflict is resolved
- A dual marriage occurs in the alienage
- Vaughan abducts women for an orgy
- Shianni escapes
- Tevinter slavers set up shop in the alienage
- The Tevinter operation is shut down
- Warden mage takes the harrowing
- Several mages leave for ostagar
- Jowan escapes
- Uldred becomes an abomination
- The circle falls into chaos
- Uldred is slain
- The conflict is resolved
- The Couslands rule highever
- Howe betrays them
- Anora is held captive in Howe's estate
- A prison break is made
- Howe dies
- Cauthrien appears to arrest anyone responsible
- Duncan goes to Ostagar with a recruit
- Materials for the joining are gathered
- Flemeth and Morrigan are encountered
- The joining is taken
- The war council occurs
- The beacon at Ishal is lit
- Loghain quits the field
- Flemeth intervenes and saves any grey wardens within the tower
- Isolde hires Jowan to tutor Connor
- Jowan poisons the arl, and is imprisoned
- Connor becomes an abomination
- Redcliffe is beset by walking corpses
- Any grey wardens saved are tasked with uniting ferelden
- Morrigan accompanies them
- Teagan and Eamon survive Redcliffe
- Andraste's ashes are found
- Eamon is cured
- Lothering is destroyed
- Zevran is hired to kill any surviving wardens from Ostagar
- Zevran fails
- The landsmeet is called
- A ruler is chosen
- Redcliffe is attacked by darkspawn
- Eamon and Riordan survive
- Morrigan offers the dark ritual
- The final battle occurs
- The archdemon is destroyed
- Ah s&%t. Thanks for pointing that out, I went back and corrected it. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 23:21, November 25, 2011 (UTC)
You missed off Jarvia being killed by the Warden and Co. at the request of either Harrowmont or Bhelen which happens regardless of anything else you do or don't do. Also Bhelen and Rica meet and fall in love.