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Ok,I think I know what is canon in Dragon Age: The Warden:

Human Noble Warrior(Champion-Templar or Reaver)

Aedan Cousland

Good

Mage Friend

Saves Connor and his Mother,releases Jowan(goes by the Circle's Ritual)

Convinces Zathrian and The Lady of the Forest to sacrifice

Saves The Ashes of Andraste from the Cult,lets the brother to tell everyone about the ashes

Cures Arl Eamon

Puts Harrowmont as king,kills Branka

Spares Loghain,puts Alistair as king

Dark Ritual

Kills Archdemon

Spares Architect

Kills Mother

All of his companions in DAO and DAA survive.

Hawke:

Garret

Mage(Force,Healer)

works for Meeran

aCCEPTS Dougals offer

Puts Carver as a Warden

Qunari Friend

Kills Dougal

Kills Arishok

Becomes Champion and Viscount

Sides with the mages

Spares Anders,lets Sebastian leave

Kill Meredith

Dissapears.

Hexlord (talk) 14:30, June 5, 2011 (UTC) -->Hexlord

http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Imported_saves_and_pre-built_histories

Human Noble

Mages, Dalish, and Harrowmount recruited.

Caridin supported and Ashes disappeared.

Alistair rules alone and Loghain is killed.

Dark Ritual accepted and the Warden kills Archie.

Zevran, Shale, Avernus, and Sophia Dryden survive. Cailan's body is not recovered.

Amaranthine is saved, Vigil's Keep is destroyed, and Nathaniel Howe dies.

Amusingly, the most important world-changing decision in DA:A (to allow/deny Architect's agenda) is not recorded.

As for DA2, I'm going with the apologists' excuses from early on... Varric made it all up. User:Futonrevoltion

Shale survivies? Of course she survives. There's no way to kill her...is there? I might have forgotten. Quirkynature (talk) 14:55, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

If you take her to Deep Roads and side with Bianca, she sides with Caridin and you have to kill her. Dorquemada (talk) 14:58, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

It's Branka, Varric's crossbow has nothing to do with it. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 04:36, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

That happen even if her approval is almost 100? Quirkynature (talk) 15:01, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Yep. Dorquemada (talk) 15:05, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

I thought that the warden was a saint,not a cult-siding bitch.And that he would do anything for every1 to be happy,even Loghain.Hexlord (talk) 15:00, June 5, 2011 (UTC) -->Hexlord

Though the Warden reflects what kind of person the player is, I'd hold off on canonizing yourself, as a saint and/or Laidlaw's decree from on high. User: Futonrevoltion

The only things that are cannon are the things that will happen in every playthrough regardless of decisions made. A new recruit joined the Wardens at Ostagar. That is canon. That recruit and Alistair gathered the treaties to build an army. That is canon. Which armies they were (Mages or Templar, Dalish or Werewolves) is not canon. They called a Landsmeet to challenge Loghain. That is canon. The outcome is not canon. The Arch Demon was killed and the Blight ended. That is canon. Who struck the killing blow and whether or not the Dark Ritual was performed, those are not canon. Leliana is alive in DA2. That is canon. Whether she survived Origins or was returned to life somehow in Haven is not canon. Rayvio (talk) 16:18, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

Exactly. I read somewhere(can't really remember) that Gaider or Laidlaw said there was no such thing as canon in Dragon Age. Canon is whatever you want it to be by playing through it. Mind you, they may do the OP's scenario for the movie or something. --CommanderCousland (talk) 19:02, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

What do you want to achieve with this? Establish your playthrough as canon? I don't get the point. There are multiple canons, DA II didn't have a singular canon, so why should future installments have a singular true canon? Lemonaidz (talk) 19:49, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

No Lemondiaz,u got it all wrong.I thought that the Sacred Ashes Trailer was canon(It had a Human Noble Warden Male)an that the Dragon Age II trailer was canon(Male Hawke Mage(Staff of Parthalan) versus The Arishok).Hexlord (talk) 10:28, June 6, 2011 (UTC) -->Hexlord

You really shouldn't take the trailers seriously, because they don't necessarily have anything to do with the actual gameplay. Like the Sacred Ashes trailer, where Sten has a really different design, and you fight darkspawn on the top of the mountain, which doesn't happen in the game. Also it can be argued that the trailer Warden isn't a noble, but rather an Arcane Warrior, since the same character can be seen coating his sword with fire in the Calling trailer. And Hawke can't wear the champion outfit for the Arishok battle unless you use mods, and the finishing spell is also different in game and doesn't work on the Arishok... So all in all, never believe any trailer. They are just made to look pretty and cool.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 07:08, November 25, 2011 (UTC)

I'd suspect they'd avoid these senarios in any movie to avoid canon, and if they did choose one, it would probably be the first pre-built history you choose in DAII. Plus, Hawke can't side with the mages and become the Viscount. 168.103.93.227 (talk) 21:35, June 5, 2011 (UTC)

The female Jedi exile in SWKOTOR2 couldnt gain Brianna as a companion, but it was established canon that she did. Anyway, canonocity sucks. Why cant movies and shows just be prequals to things like DA? That way, poeple like me dont get upset that our choices dont count, and people like... uh... you know... dont get... whatever. 99.129.25.66 (talk) 00:00, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

W8 i thought siding with the mages at the final battle,not at Orsino's speech.Is that al least possible?Hexlord (talk) 10:28, June 6, 2011 (UTC) -->Hexlord

Ugh, canon. I hated it when Lucasarts did that to Revan (Light Side, male, gets Bastila Shan in the end), and the Exile (Light Side and female, to appease the fans who asked why Revan couldn't be canonicaly female) and, IIRC, the guys at Bioware weren't exactly thrilled at the prospect, either.

I hope that, at least, they haven't forgotten that, although they've apparently forgotten about the backlash that making Revan disappear caused back in the day.

Oh well. Durwen (talk) 08:47, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as canon for Dragon Age because the story is so changed by each person's playthrough. The trailers shown for Sacred Ashes and DA2 are the choice of the developers. Hawke was a mage in DA2 so that they could show off both the new up-close combat as well as magic. The Warden was a warrior because they wanted to show every style of fighting (Sten shows 2 handed, Leliana shows dual blades and bow, Morrigan shows magic). These characters are not canon, there is no such thing for this game. Certain events, as said by User:Rayvio above, are canon but others have various outcomes and cannot be canon. User:Eggy2504, 12:09, 6 June, 2011

What? What movie? Are we talking about imaginary things now? This thread is confusing the shit out of me. It just has no point. There is no singular canon. DA II allowed you to choose any canon you wanted for DAO. Why should they change that with DA 3? Even if there was a movie about DAO or DA II, it wouldn't necessarily have to be considered as canon, it would just be what the directors chose to be the most interesting or best story for the film. Lemonaidz (talk) 12:42, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

If I remember right Gaider said that all stories told in the Dragon Age universe would be different, that there wouldn't be books or movies of any story told in the game and vice versa. Other than the anime movie that was announced ages ago with no mention since, there hasn't been any talk of a movie other than speculation either. But if there is to be a movie, expect it to be either a prequel or only reference the unchangeable things. Rayvio (talk) 12:46, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

The anime movie came out already? I thought that was what we were talking about. Plus there is Dragon age redemption web series coming up. -Edit- oh you said announced... my bad. Nevermind Crimpycracker (talk) 15:11, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, people are still talking about making a movie of Dragon Age? It would be impossible, there's no way to please everyone. If they chose a human noble, people would say: "Why not an elf?". If they chose an elf origin, people would ask: "Why not a human?" The minute they agree to a set 'canon' for either game, they are detracting from the options we had as players, which totally counteracts a major selling point of the series, particularly so for Origins. The minute Bioware chooses an option for us, it establishes all other options as 'wrong'. If they set the rules for us, it would hardly be a role-playing game anymore. I did however enjoy the books, and if there was ever to be a movie set in the Dragon Age world, I'd certainly prefer it to be either some sort of prequel, or following up on an established npc or companion, prior to their involvement in the games so far. It's unlikely to happen though, and personally I'm happy with that. Felinae Silvestris (talk) 18:06, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Even though I have never seen that web series I am pretty sure it is no adaptation of either DAO or DA II. Even if, it is not even a movie, just a low-budget web series.
If a producer actually made a movie on DAO or DA II he wouldn't care what Bioware considered as canon, he'd just do whatever would be most commerical or just the best option for a movie. It's obvious that a movie couldn't encompass every single event of DAO, so would it be canon that these events never happened? No, of course not. The movie just couldn't be long enough to fit every event of DAO inside, that's one of the limits for the medium "commercial cinema movie". Lemonaidz (talk) 18:29, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

As somebody said, the only things that are canon in the Dragon Age universe of games are the events that take place regardless of player decisions, while the rest of it is mostly conditional. For events that took place in Dragon Age II, for example:

1. Hawke flees Lothering with his/her family, losing one of his/her siblings to the ogre in the Wilds.

2. Aveline is married to Ser Wesley and loses him to the Blight.

3. Flemeth appears and helps Hawke and his/her family reach Gwaren, so they could get to Kirkwall.

4. Hawke gets his/her family into Kirkwall with the help of one of Gamlen's contacts.

5. Hawke meets Varric, who becomes his/her companion.

6. Hawke funds Bartrand's expedition into the Deep Roads.

7. Hawke finds the lyrium idol, which Bartrand takes while locking him/her up along with Varric.

8. Hawke and Varric escape the Deep Roads.

9. Hawke buys the former Amell Estate and moves into it along with his/her mother.

10. The idol drives Bartrand crazy, and he ends up selling it to Meredith.

11. Hawke loses his/her mother to Quentin.

12. Hawke battles the Qunari near the end of Act II, which the Grey Wardens show up during the events, and is made the Champion of Kirkwall.

13. Tensions between the mages and the templars heat up to the boiling point in Act III.

14. Anders blows up the Chantry, leading to Meredith invoking the Right of Annulment.

15. Hawke fights in the Second Battle of Kirkwall, eventually having to kill both Orsino and Meredith.

16. Hawke flees Kirkwall before Cassandra Pentaghast gets a hold of Varric.

17. Leliana is still alive. (VicGeorge2K9 (talk) 16:25, July 6, 2011 (UTC))

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My Warden's Canon is this

Noble Human

Aedan Cousland

Good

Recruit Leliana and Sten

Romance Leliana and Start Quest Leliana's Past and if possible The Sword of the Beresaad

Goes to Denerim stock on supplies and kill Marjolaine

Ends the Curse of Werewolfs once and for all

Get Shale

Side with Caradin

Have Harrowmont King

Start a Golem's Memories

Save Red Cliff Village (No Fatalities)

Set Jowan free never to return

go the Tower of Magi to save Conner

Side with Mages

Save Conner

Finish The Sword of the Beresaad Quest If possible start quest(s) Wynne's Regret and Flemeth's Real Grimoire

Kill Flemeth and Finish Wynne's Regret

Do the Ceremony and get the pinch of sacred ashes

cures Arl of Redcliff and go to the Lands Meet

Kill Loghain and Alistair Rules Jointly with Anora

Dark Ritual

Kills Archdemon

Spares Architect

Kills Mother

All of his companions in DAO and DAA survive.

--- Did we really need to make a whole thread about one DA player's in-game choices? Do people really find it that interesting? Rathian Warrior (talk) 07:28, November 25, 2011 (UTC)