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If Bioware can give me a game with noticeably more effort put into it, I will be happy. --[[User:Isolationistmagi|Isolationistmagi]] ([[User talk:Isolationistmagi|talk]]) 04:16, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 
If Bioware can give me a game with noticeably more effort put into it, I will be happy. --[[User:Isolationistmagi|Isolationistmagi]] ([[User talk:Isolationistmagi|talk]]) 04:16, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
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It depends is Dragon Age meant to just be a title like Final Fantasy, I love certain FFs than others but it doesn't meant that the series fails cause they don't do what I prefer. But on the other hand I like a game universe that expands and gets better instead of just changing how to play for each game. I am very much in love with origins and there are a lot of things I would have done different or want different but dragon age isn't asking for me to tell them what to do :P I want my arcane warrior back I want combat and gear to work like origins, and I want it to be an online world mmo with expansion instead of new series (I do kinda want a DA/WOW hybrid ;P which it will never happen aparently), but 'a girl can dream' but I won't demand anything from bioware they make great games and I still do love Dragon Age overall :) {{User:Hollowness/Sig}} 05:03, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

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Can Dragon Age redeem itself? Dragon age has changed their core stuff in dragon age 2, to become more Mass Effect. In addition, it seems in the news that it is moving towards Mass effect and frostbite. When Mass Effect introduced multiplayer in to their new game Mass Effect, a rumour spread around that the new Dragon Age will have a multiplayer plate form, and the game engine shall resemble frostbite (I’m not sure about the last). Dragon Age is not even trying to be its own independent game anymore. I’m not sure that is the game I felt in love with in the first place. If you do agree to some extended would you give your suggestion on how Bioware can make Dragon Age the game we loved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Maslove23 (talkcontribs) 00:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we'll see the level of care and detail exhibited in DA:O in any future title. DA:O is the product of an earlier era and a long development cycle. Its goals were fundamentally different from DA:II's. Look at the concept art for DA:O. It aspired to be a fantasy novel in the form of a game, and I'd say it succeeded beyond measure. Alas, I have no such hopes for DA:III. Whocares65 (talk) 05:32, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I had no idea Dragon Age had to redeem itself of anything, not meeting your expectations or my own is not a grievous sin. Having played DA:O many times through, I think it was a great game but DA:O is DA:O and DA2 is DA2, and this has nothing to do with it not being DA:O2, but just because something is a sequel (not even a direct sequel a la Mass Effect -> 2 -> 3) does not mean it should be compared or held to the same kinds of criteria where those may no longer apply.

They are very different games set in the same universe. It's like critiquing your new sporty boyfriend for not being as good at maths as your ex-mathematician boyfriend was. You dated them both (played the game), you fell in love with the first (DA:O/Mathematician) but when you keep asking why the sporty one isn't the mathematician then what hope do you have of falling in love with the things that make the sporty one who he is.

I'm rambling here but what I'm getting at is play the games for what they are, not in light of each other. It's possible and very rewarding. YGuy (talk) 06:02, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

I don't think BioWare has to redeem themselves at all. But I was only able to slog through Origins because of the story/character depth. DA2 had that for me and added console twitch friendly combat. I'm not even sure what that means but I see plenty of PC gamers throw it around, same with that isometric camera thing, consoles have no need for such silliness. /dumb thought. But I used to be interested in expressing my thoughts about Dragon Age in greater detail, then I took an arrow in the knee. Tommyspa (talk) 06:52, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Bioware can "redeem" themselves by ensuring their characters have proper knee armor.GoldenNightKnight (talk) 07:08, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
Snrk, at arrow in the knee. YGuy (talk) 07:10, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

So many people switching sides cause DA2 didn't meet there expectations. Bioware doesn't have to redeem anything. NwolC (talk) 09:11, December 3, 2011 (UTC)nwolC

While DA2 has its issues, I quite like the game and don't see how Bioware or DA have to redeem itself at all. I am actually really looking forward to the next game and the related stories to it.--Ser Mea (talk) 14:30, December 3, 2011 (UTC)


Does DA2 need to be 'redeemed'? Of course it does. Sales of DA2 have been significantly lower (up to half) than DA:O, despite pre-orders, and that's whether you measure overall sales or compare a specific period like the first 10 weeks after the game's release. There's also a significant gap between user reviews of DA2 vs. DA:O. Metacritic's user score (for example) for DA2 is sitting at 4.2/10, compared to DA:O's 8.3/10. Yes, I know that lots of people liked DA2, but if you look at it objectively, it quickly becomes apparent that those people are in a minority and that DA2 is considered by the majority of people who played it to be a clearly inferior product compared to its predecessor - or it would be selling better and getting better-word-of-mouth recommendations and support.

However, I don't envy Bioware it's task of trying to find out what went 'wrong' with DA2 and how to correct it. Criticisms of the game have ranged from the helpfully (and hopefully) constructive to the passionately vitriolic. Worse is that many of then contradict each other. People love the new combat system and hate it. They love the voiced-dialogue wheel or are frustrated by what can come out of Hawke's mouth without any prompting from the player. They loved the story, they hated the story. And so on.

I know what Bioware needs to do to satisfy me. They have to give me a player character I can shape and form a connection with through a combination of differing origins and meaningful decisions throughout the course of the game. They have to give me an incentive to 'win' - no, the fate of the world does not have to hang in the balance, but the fate of people and things I care about do (and by Act 3, my family was dead or gone, my companions (mostly) had their own lives and Kirkwall could have burned to the ground for all I cared about it by that point!). And finally, be more consistent with the lore having an impact on the player - if I'm an apostate mage and a templar sees me doing magic, then he should be trying to arrest/kill me and not send me off to a brothel to help his fellow templars!

If DA3 is closer to DA2 than DA:O in substance, then it will matter very little to me whether the franchise goes on, because DA3 will be the last game I get in the series, and I very much doubt I'm alone in that regard... Qalan (talk) 18:01, December 3, 2011 (UTC)


After the releases of SWTOR and ME3, BioWare will have a lot more room to breathe. So if they're going to focus on DA3 (almost) solely, we'll be able to see the "redemption" of the franchise. So let's just wait.-Algol- (talk) 00:25, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Does anybody apart from me think this is blasphemy? http://chzfandom.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/hawke-and-morrigan.jpg

[spoiler]Hawke and MORRIGAN?[/spoiler] The artist must have been stoned or drunk. Nothing can excuse this. Although it is very well drawn... Quirkynature (talk) 03:52, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

If Bioware can give me a game with noticeably more effort put into it, I will be happy. --Isolationistmagi (talk) 04:16, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

It depends is Dragon Age meant to just be a title like Final Fantasy, I love certain FFs than others but it doesn't meant that the series fails cause they don't do what I prefer. But on the other hand I like a game universe that expands and gets better instead of just changing how to play for each game. I am very much in love with origins and there are a lot of things I would have done different or want different but dragon age isn't asking for me to tell them what to do :P I want my arcane warrior back I want combat and gear to work like origins, and I want it to be an online world mmo with expansion instead of new series (I do kinda want a DA/WOW hybrid ;P which it will never happen aparently), but 'a girl can dream' but I won't demand anything from bioware they make great games and I still do love Dragon Age overall :)  Hollowness | Talk | Contr 05:03, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

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