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Bhelen is the better choice because he understands that if the dwarves are to have a future, they must change. Clinging to the caste structure has distorted their society and demographics and weakened them to the point where if they don't change soon, they will die out. Harrowmont is a stuffy old traditionalist who will change nothing and simply hasten the demise of the dwarves with his rigid adherence to the status quo. The choice for the dwarves is simple; change and maybe they will survive, stay the same and they are all but guaranteed to become extinct or be forced to the surface. Bhelen = change, Harrowmont = stagnation. Pretty simple choice, really.--[[User:Darkly Tranquil|Darkly Tranquil]] ([[User talk:Darkly Tranquil|talk]]) 00:19, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
 
Bhelen is the better choice because he understands that if the dwarves are to have a future, they must change. Clinging to the caste structure has distorted their society and demographics and weakened them to the point where if they don't change soon, they will die out. Harrowmont is a stuffy old traditionalist who will change nothing and simply hasten the demise of the dwarves with his rigid adherence to the status quo. The choice for the dwarves is simple; change and maybe they will survive, stay the same and they are all but guaranteed to become extinct or be forced to the surface. Bhelen = change, Harrowmont = stagnation. Pretty simple choice, really.--[[User:Darkly Tranquil|Darkly Tranquil]] ([[User talk:Darkly Tranquil|talk]]) 00:19, May 29, 2014 (UTC)
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Bhelen isn't advocating genocide, so your Hitler comparison is off, and in any event, he's better for Orzammar in the long run. Maybe it's because I'm used to roleplaying characters with a distinctly cavalier attitude towards bloodshed, but I can live with a murderer lacking a moral compass on the throne if it means things get better. For me, anyway. [[User:Samahl|Samahl]] ([[User talk:Samahl|talk]]) 00:28, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

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Forums: Index > Game DiscussionBelen THE BETTER choice for the dwarven trone ?!?!?
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WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLES ?! after reading several post ( not the least of wich is the last one i read before writing this : the best possible ending ) i cant help myself but be totaly shocked by the opinion of many of you saying that you consider belen to be the best choice for the dwarven trone REALLY !? i mean by your logic it's like your saying : hey let's put hitler in the white house ( or whatever place the leader of your country lead from ) yes belen is a visionnary and forward thinker but hitler was one too ( many invention were created and many existing device were optimazed and updated during his time ) but he was also a supremasist who burned 6 million jews just for the fun of it. a visionnary tyrant is still a tyrant ( case in point is the fact that he banished the council of lord after the six or so assassination atempt, peoples dont put hits on you because your a good guy ! ) personnaly i prefer a "weak" king who let his compasion dictate his action then a petty power-hungry tyrant child all too willing to kill and destroy anything that stand in the way of what he want ( i welcome all counter-argument as long as they remain polite ) DragonInquisitor (talk) 23:25, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Bhelen is hardly Hitler. He does not institute a holocaust. He's more like Stalin, whose not much better, but less insane. And Bhelen does some good things too, like allowing the casteless to fight in the Deep Roads. If Harrowmount becomes king the dwarves become more reclusive and insular. Bhelen increases their contact with the surface. So yes, Harrowmount is a better person but Bhelen is a better king. Silver Warden (talk) 23:39, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Mmm, and by secluding the Orzammar from the rest of Fereldan, they're limiting their trade with the surface dwellers. Without that trade flow, Orzammar's economy becomes stagnant and their people slowly wastes away. Kaspar Sinclair (talk) 23:45, May 28, 2014 (UTC)

Bhelen is the better choice because he understands that if the dwarves are to have a future, they must change. Clinging to the caste structure has distorted their society and demographics and weakened them to the point where if they don't change soon, they will die out. Harrowmont is a stuffy old traditionalist who will change nothing and simply hasten the demise of the dwarves with his rigid adherence to the status quo. The choice for the dwarves is simple; change and maybe they will survive, stay the same and they are all but guaranteed to become extinct or be forced to the surface. Bhelen = change, Harrowmont = stagnation. Pretty simple choice, really.--Darkly Tranquil (talk) 00:19, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

Bhelen isn't advocating genocide, so your Hitler comparison is off, and in any event, he's better for Orzammar in the long run. Maybe it's because I'm used to roleplaying characters with a distinctly cavalier attitude towards bloodshed, but I can live with a murderer lacking a moral compass on the throne if it means things get better. For me, anyway. Samahl (talk) 00:28, May 29, 2014 (UTC)