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I think the title says it all. The Dalish are, in fact, nomads, with no claim to any nationality, Fereldan or otherwise. Yet we see Danyla and others that we encounter in DA:O under the category "Fereldans"... yet we don't see Merrill in there.
So are they actually Fereldans? Because I'd be hard-pressed to call Marethari or Merrill Fereldan. I don't think they recognise themselves as the subjects of the Fereldan Crown. - 08:13, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
I think it depends on the Dalish Clan. It's my understanding that some clans travel throughout Thedas but some just travel within a certain nation (except during the meeting of the clans, forgot what it's called). For example, I thought that the Warden's and Velanna's clans traveled within Fereldan (with the exception of the Blight causing the Warden's to leave) while Zatharian's and Ariane's clans would travel throughout Thedas and return to the same areas in Fereldan for a period of time. Unless I've missed some info. The Dread Wolf 16:09, January 15, 2014 (UTC)
You don't see Merrill in there because she's under the "Nevarran" Category. She was born to a clan in Nevarra, and moved to Keeper Marethari's clan, presumably because her own clan's keeper already had a First.--TheEnviousWrath (talk) 20:00, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
- Since the Dalish elves are nomads, I don't think it would be accurate to categorize them to a particular nation just because their clan resides inside the borders of a nation for a specific amount of time.
- If we consider that the Dalish almost purely originate from the noble families of the Dales, if they belong to a nation, that would be the Dales.
- I don't think they consider themselves as Fereldans or Free Marches or Nevarrans.
Subsequently, removing the nationality altogether from their pages would be the best course of action, with the notable exception of ex-city elves such as Pol and Lanaya, in my opinion. 21:55, January 17, 2014 (UTC)
- I would agree with , if anything the "Dalish" should originate from the Dales. However, its possible that the Dalish take up to an extent the pride of where they are born. Zathrian's clan is quite interested in protecting Ferelden. I think moderates in the Dalish culture born in Ferelden would be ok with calling themselves Ferelden, but Dalish that are more radical and away from cooperating with human culture probably would not. --Elshiro (talk) 12:11, January 22, 2014 (UTC)
Putting my view in point form:
- They are not part of the Ferelden economy - paying no taxes, purchasing and selling only trivial amounts of goods, receiving almost no benefits from expenditure by the Ferelden crown - or the bannorn. At most, they'd have brief periods of time when they used Ferelden roads, or gained some respite from bandits and outlaws (regarding benefits from the crown).
- One wagonload of Orzammar metalware or Orlesian silks would produce a greater balance of trade than the average Dalish clan would produce in a year.
- They are not part of the Ferelden legal system. They gain no redress from the Ferelden law, and likewise are not (usually) called to answer to Ferelden law. Instead, in their interactions with shemlen or flat-ears, they resort to frontier justice and kangaroo courts.
- They are not part of the Ferelden welfare system. Their elderly, their sick, their orphaned and their excess mages must be supported by the tribe, given mercy (euthanised) or sent out to live on their own. They can't (or won't) send them to the Chantry for care and charity.
- Honestly, I can't think of any way in which they integrate with Ferelden-the-nation. Now, Ferelden-the-landspace or Ferelden-the-ecology, sure! But they probably cross some national boundaries in their wandering. Maybe one tribe would be more accurately called Brecilian/Korcari than Ferelden, and another Brecilian/Bannorn-wilds, and a third Brecilian/that odd space northeast of the forest. Seshet (talk) 21:54, January 18, 2015 (UTC)