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Hey all; this is my first time making a topic! :D I just started my fifth mage file in Dragon Age II and I am completely and utterly annoyed and fed up with Carver. I absolutely hate his character; he is a sniveling, little brat who whines about every little thing. Even when he's a Templar or a Warden. I accidently killed him on my first playthrough and made him go to the Deep Roads with me; Anders wasn't in my party and he died. I enjoyed that playthrough a lot more than I did when I made him a Templar and a Warden. I found my last playthrough highly enjoyable without him and I'm probably going to kill him again.

Am I the only one who can't stand him? --Sjelen Kain (talk) 04:17, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I can't stand him either, that's one reason why I don't replay DA 2 a lot with a mage. Shame too cause I like the gameplay mechanics of a mage in DA 2. MabariChariot (talk) 04:23, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

If you're the aggressive type Hawke, Carver actually has a lot less complaining to do than the other two types. Whether it's because he agrees with you more, or because he's afraid of you putting your foot down, I've found that being a hard-liner makes Carver a lot more agreeable with you. He's nowhere near as understanding as Bethany, not by any stretch, but neither does he let loose the whiney, sniveling sibling as much. Rathian Warrior (talk) 04:28, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Carver is one of my favorite characters, which is nice because I prefer to play as a mage. I hope he is a companion in DA3. Along with Bethany based on Hawke's class imports to DA3. Tommyspa (talk) 04:30, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I. Effing. Love. Carver.

That's all.

Mrs.AlistairTheirin 04:32, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Carver is so much more interesting a character than Beth. Beth is a bit of a Mary Sue while Carver is flawed. Yes he's a bit of a brat, but I can see his reasons, it can't be easy being a none mage when you farther and both siblings are, or being stuck in the shadow of an older sibling who is just better that you (Luigi complex?). Also his character arc is much better than Beth's. He gets over him self pretty fast after becoming a warden. and the fact that he chooses Hawke over the Templars says he's not a complete dick. I do love Beth and if I had to choose who the ogre terned into mush 6 out of 10 times it would be her, but some times you need a bit of family conflict to keep things interesting. Andy the Black (talk) 05:00, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

How the heck is Bethany a Mary Sue? Nothing special or great about her. Xelestial (talk) 20:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Short version? She has big boobs and plenty of cleavage, and she is subjectively the hottest girl in the game and also the "getability" of a girl with low self-esteem. That's enough for people. Tommyspa (talk) 22:37, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I personally loved Carver, and I want him as a full-time companion in Dragon Age 3, along with Bethany, depending on your Imported Save.Soren 4ever (talk) 06:38, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I don't like him. I understand why he is like that, but I already have to deal with Fenris and Anders. Too much complaining. I hope I won't see them again.--Appleseater (talk) 09:39, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, Carver is the most annoying character in the world of dragon age but I think the one thing that pissed me off the most about him was that you couldnt kill him!!! He could die if you brought him down to the deep roads but its not the same. I liked Bethany and I discovered you had the option to kill her if she is in the circle and you side with the templars (I didnt kill her) But when you side with the mages you cant kill Carver, and this pissed me off since Carver annoyed me a thousand times more than Bethany.

When I came out to face the templars I was like: "Ok, we got the crazy bitch Meredith, the racist asshole Cullen and my annoying brother, time for slaughter" >:)

And then the guy does the one thing that could make me hate him even more! Siding with me, making it impossible for me to kill him! Is there any way to kill Carver? If so please tell me Blighter (talk) 10:05, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I hate his whining, but I find him far more interesting as a character than Bethany. Beth is kind of annoying me with her goody-two-shoes character, I actually love the banter between Carver and Hawke, they love each other yet can't stand each other, I find it very fun to play through. But yes, as people say, when you bring Carver, Anders and Fenris in one party it sort of gets REALLY old REALLY fast.--Ser Mea (talk) 10:46, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like Carver more than Bethany, because he can have one of the best character developments throughout the game. Sure he is an annoying brat in Act 1 and constantly complains about Hawke and mages, but he has his really honest moments from time to time. For example when he says that he feels kind of lost in Kirkwall and has to find his own way, or when he defends mage Hawke after Fenris' quest without a second thought, or how he thanks Hawke for showing him what his name meant for Malcolm. And if you make him a Warden, he can warm up to Hawke even more, especially in the Legacy DLC, by the end of which I always have him on the friendship side of the relationship meter.--SunyiNyufi (talk) 10:58, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like Carver. I like the rivalry between Carver and Hawke, and how it develops from rivalry to respect by the end of the game. I always take Carver and Anders on the Deep Roads Expedition so he can become a Grey Warden; I think getting out from under Hawke's shadow does Carver a lot of good. I like the Legacy DLC because you can take Carver along with you, and the next time I play Mark of the Assassin I plan on taking Carver along. And at the end, when he returns Carver always has a place in my party. Gruedragon (talk) 13:05, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I like Carver, but i HATE that you can only get full friendship with him by contradicting yourself as a mage. Trypon (talk) 14:36, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

Carver can be a douche but he's also just a kid in the beginning when he becomes a warden then he pulls his head outta his bum. I liked him. Not to mention he's sexy as hell --GrimsleyHawke (talk) 15:18, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

My first playthrough I was a a mage. At first, I found Carver incredibly annoying always whining and complaining about how he was the lesser sibling. However, I made him a Grey Warden (unintentionally), and when his character came back I liked what I saw. In my opinion, Carver is one of the few characters in DA2 who actually matures. As a templar or as a Grey Warden he finally takes responsibility for himself. There is always a hint of that rivalry, but it's toned down and Carver really does care for Hawke. I followed this up with a rogue playthrough to check out Bethany. I was bored. She's a sweet, but boring character. And I didn't like the way she matured, as a circle mage or a Grey Warden. In the Circle she becomes complacent and as a Warden she becomes bitchy and pissed at the world and Hawke. I prefer Carver as a character, and the fact that he matures and we see a change in his ways was a stark contrast to...a few other characters who no amount of reasoning will change their stance. You know who they are.GoldenNightKnight (talk) 15:20, November 4, 2011 (UTC)

I really appreciate Carver's character, he is one of my personal favourite Bioware characters. Well if he becomes a Grey Warden. When he becomes a Warden he seems to greatly mature, he understands the world a little bit more now. And his conversations with you in Legacy are amazing!--TheRageMage (talk) 17:18, November 4, 2011 (UTC)TheRageMage

Carver is a way better character than Bethany. Glad to see so many people agree!

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00:29, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I like him more than Bethany, but I still can't stand the little *&$#er. Everyone makes good points about him growing and that's all true, kind of. He still has a huge chip on his shoulder toward Hawke, even after he gets out with the Wardens (maybe it's different with a Friendship playthrough, but I always end up with Rivalry). Whenever I meet up with him either in the Deep Roads (in the finding Nathanial quest) or in Lowtown during the Qunari invasion, he's a total jacka**. Devilkat (talk) 01:03, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Carver continues a long standing BioWare tradition of first human male companion always sucks, a tradition going back at least as far as Knights of the Old Republic. There are exceptions of course, our friend Alistair being one. Wsowen02 (talk) 07:24, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

I, too, prefer Carver. Nothing's wrong with siblings fighting between themselves when it's apparent that they'd die for each other if need be. Definitely better dynamic than Bethany "I graduated from Keanu Reeves school of acting" Hawke's. Dorquemada (talk) 12:12, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

Same here; I prefer Carver significantly more than Bethany. Carver acts like, as he himself says, "an ass" during the first course of the game before the Deep Roads. But if he becomes a warden/templar, he begins to mature and learns from his own mistakes, even more so if he's a warden. Plus, it's not entirely impossible to not get a good amount of friendship from him, even if you're very pro-mage: just show him some respect, be firm in your objections with him, and pretty much treat every conversation with him the same way you did with Sten in Origins. Bethany on the other hand, is very bland in retrospective; there's practically no effort involved when getting her friendship up unless you are completely pro-templar, she becomes too complacent if she joins the circle, and if she joins the wardens she becomes a bitter, ungrateful bitch who blames everything on you despite your approval rating of her, and who chooses to do nothing but wallow in her self-hatred as both a mage and a warden rather than make the best of what life has thrown at her and grow from it. And this choice alone had me fuming for hours since I would rather send her to the wardens than submit her to the circle and ruin everything Leandra and Malcolm worked so hard to protect her from, but unfortunately she is apparently "happier" in the circle, so I usually send her there. At least with Carver by the end of the game I feel proud in the choice I had made in sending him to the Wardens, whereas with Bethany I just feel annoyed that it takes her so long to appreciate the freedom she had before coming to the circle; I could have told her that without having to send her there. In short, I would take Caver over Bethany any day; at least Carver has some life in him and makes me work for his approval. Sevarian10 (talk) 20:04, November 5, 2011 (UTC)Sevarian10

Carver does annoy me, but he provides the much needed conflict a lot of us crave. He also goes through a lot of character growth if you let him and I have to say I grew to love him equally as much as my favorite sister ever Bethany. It's great to begin to understand him and see him mature. I'm still working on that actually, as I have never really explored all the depths of his personality yet. Plus, whenever he's at his most annoying Hawke usually either gets into a fight with him or makes him shut up, so we get some satisfaction. I do like Bethany too because she feels like the sister I never had (and I have 5 sisters technically). She cares about Hawke and her family and she is a very sweet and innocent girl, but she's also strong and matures in her own way as well. Only time I hate Bethany is if you make her a Warden. Bethany the Warden is an abomination (no pun intended?) I just wish we could have had both of them around us for awhile, it'd be interesting to see how the twins acted with each other and to interact with them. Xelestial (talk) 20:35, November 5, 2011 (UTC)