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So far she's working with the crew of Mirrors Edge [1]; but DA:I has a full year left before it's release. I hesitate to think she'll be excluded from Bioware, considering the Tallis debacle; I'm sure she and Felicia Day will quickly become bosom buddies. For those in the know, have better access to events, or what have you; I'd like to be made aware if she so much as sneezes in the general direction of Bioware. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 05:28, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Anita Who? Besides, EA is a big place. All over the world. Chances this one individual will work on Dragon Age are as slim as Sten embracing a casual friday for the Antaam. Henio0 (talk) 08:00, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ugh... I think it's safe to say she will do. I know Gaider has tried to shove himself up her arse and vice versa so yeah.... yay... I know Gaider isn't in charge or anything but I'm sure he'd beg and beg his bosses to let the feminazi have some involvement on the game and all of Gaiders fanclub would probably get pretty vocal too. (DDragonfly1990 (talk) 10:17, July 4, 2013 (UTC))

The term is "a feminist", not "the feminazi". Working for equal rights for women is not the equivalent of a non-human entity murdering millions of people. -Sophia (talk) 11:46, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Eh, her Feminism is arguably a very sex negative feminism, and the typical name for that variety is "Feminazi" so...he's not wrong in this case. Also her views on tropes against women can sometimes come off as exceptionally heavy handed, though people have said the same about Gaider, I feel she's just a little bit more heavy about it. That said, I don't think she'd have a positive influence on DA, she'll make the themes that are present in the game more pronounced, when it already seems to be pretty heavy. Konous (talk) 12:06, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

I'm curious as to how to know that Gaider has tried to "shove himself up her arse" source? Or just typical I hate Gaider attitude. I'm not a big fan of tropes vs. women, frankly i find her work to be the equivalent of screaming "that's racist" whenever a person of color in a movie does something stereotypical. Having said that we have no idea what she will do/if she's even involved in DA in any form so perhaps we should all wait before we put our collective "screw that bitch" caps on. Lord knows this fandom has taken enough heat for attacking female bioware employees (the Jennifer Helper attacks stand out as one of the most disappointing actions in DA fandoms short history)--Tabris.the.great (talk) 13:18, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

Now I'm curious, Tabris, can you link me something to those events or inform me and others of the details of that? I'm just not as familiar with all the DA history. Konous (talk) 13:41, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

http://kotaku.com/5886674/bioware-writer-describes-her-gaming-tastes-angry-gamers-call-her-a-cancer. Long story short Miss Hepler said she wished games had a skip button for combat so she could enjoy the story, fans reacted by referring to her as a cancer that's killing bioware as well as attacks about her physical appearance. Make of her opinion what you will but the vile response she received was embarrassing. To be clear I'm not in any way saying any of this came from the DA wiki or any of it's members but it's the kind of crap that makes people think we are pretty much every negative stereotype or modern gaming. --Tabris.the.great (talk) 13:53, July 4, 2013 (UTC)

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Quick question, who is this person and why exactly does her name make so many people's skin crawl? I've seen the name on r/gaming before, she sounds unpleasant, but the hivemind's pretty vague, something about Kickstarter? Why should I be worried about her attaching herself to DAI? RShepard227 (talk) 20:42, July 5, 2013 (UTC)

If yu use big words which the average feminist can't spell close enough to find in the dictionary, you too can be a figurehead of the feminist movement, and score big bucks doing it, especially if you can if you use those words to SMASH THE PATRIARCHY!!! In short, she's limited in intellect, but used her trope self to prostitute her trope retardism to people who usually don't have any interest in real gaming, you know, what gamers play. Real games, which actual gamers play, MUST change, so casual who cares gamers, can play and enjoy, and then call themselves gamers... you know the broads I'm speaking of, the sexy chicks who wear nothing but console controllers to cover their naughties...

Anyhow, this TWAT, cyber begged and scored herself some $160k to start a game critique BS, took her forever to put out the first part [2], and nearly as long to put out the second part [3]. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 05:01, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

And then she tied modern gaming to the railroad tracks as she twirled her fake mustache and sneered. I may not enjoy her work but I can not understand the sheer visceral hatred some people have towards her. --Tabris.the.great (talk) 11:57, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I find her work derivative, uncreative and seriously lacking in analysis, and I have sneaking suspicion that a huge support she received for her project was not even her own merit - lets be honest here, women tropes in gaming isn't overwhelmingly dominant issue. For me, it looked like a lot of people decided just to spite the frothing, shit-flinging herd of imbeciles by siding with their target. Back on topic - her joining with EA is not that big deal, really. As if she'd be first creativity-impaired person in that company. Dorquemada (talk) 15:20, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

I've watched some of Anita Sarkeesian's youtube videos, which I thought were repulsive; she obviously does too because she not only disables peoples rights to voice their opinions about her misleading feminism propaganda, but she also disables peoples right to vote on most of her videos that is. This truly concerns me as a consumer gamer. She has no business even working for a gaming industry when she shows little to no concern whatsoever to communicate with her fans. She is a giant size hole in a ship, and the ship is EA and it's stinking down to the bottom of the ocean. --LordRaijin (talk) 18:26, July 6, 2013 (UTC)

@ LordRaijin: couldn't have said it better myself. 89.155.169.161 (talk) 18:17, July 8, 2013 (UTC)

I also think she points out the worst examples of gaming (Which also happen to be the most genuinely misogynistic) and use them to rail against all gaming. While the 2nd part of her video series largely speaks the truth, I feel like she used the worst games of the past 13 years, to justify slamming the entire gaming establishment in general. There are PLENTLY of games with strong female characters, but for some people, there's no appeasement because something can always be found that is unintentionally offensive, and therefor, must be the patriarchal establishment at it again. --76.217.218.126 (talk) 00:25, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in my reply. So she just uses the same sensationalist guilt-by-association tactics that built many a career in the "national discussions" on race/gender/nationality/religion/preference issues? The kind that says "You are [A], therefore you are complicit in [B] until proven otherwise!" where [A] is the dominant/oppressive demographic (ex. whites, males, or white males) and [B] is an act of oppression and injustice against the minority?

Big deal, she's a baiter, but she's hardly an innovative mind when it comes to this. Many people have built their careers by capitalizing on collective guilt, she's just found a way to do that with gamers. In the short term it's made her a shitload of money and raised her profile a bit, but in the long term she doesn't command the bully pulpit necessary to shut down a game's production entirely, or blacklist an entire developer, for not meeting her "standards." In short, I'm not worried about her being able to tear down DA:I, and neither should any of you. RShepard227 (talk) 03:17, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

The main concern isn't that she'll try to shut it down; it's the far worse possibility that she'll actually become involved in it's production, since she's actually on EA's payroll. --UrLeingod (talk) 05:10, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

Shutting it down completely is the absolute extreme, only used to illustrate my point. The most she could do is get the dialogue/design of the women altered to meet her expectations (if she honestly has any and isn't just trolling like a Fox News pundit trolls liberals), but I highly doubt she'll ever have the influence to do that. The game is already halfway through production, and even if she made enough waves in the next 12 months to get to a place of importance, the game will have moved too far ahead for anyone, even Gaider, to pull the plug on. Maybe His High Lordship Holiness the CEO of EA would be able to pull the plug, but I'm sure he'd rather make money off an unfinished game than tear it down to suit one blogger. RShepard227 (talk) 00:07, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I tried to watch one of her videos... started contemplating whether to rid the world of her or shoot myself... AND I'm a woman! I really wish that she doesn't end up in DAI's production. Considering the World of DA is pretty much has discrimination towards everything. Mages, Templars, Qunari, Elves. Anita would blow her top if Isabela makes a reappearance, most likely demand that Isabela becomes flat chested. Phoenix96 (talk) 08:26, July 9, 2013 (UTC)

The world needs more women like you, please save your bullets. I doubt she cares about elves being called knife-ears, only Isabela having too much cleavage. On that note, I ask Bioware to include Isabela in a single buxom cameo just to spite her. RShepard227 (talk) 00:07, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

Seconded. My life was certainly better before I learned that wanting to save one's girlfriend is an expression of patriarchal possessivity to reclaim a stolen object, or that euthanizing a possessed/mutated girlfriend when she begs you to put her out of her misery is actually endorsement of domestic violence performed to knock the women back to their senses while using as an excuse "she asked for it". I hope the woman doesn't get any where within a mile to DA:I production, I can't see any positive effect that someone so biased might bring into it.

Oh, and BTW, guys, should you ever see me kidnapped, please, do not hesitate and feel free to rob me of my own escape agenda, as I'm highly unlikely to have one in the first place. --Ygrain (talk) 11:27, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

What the heck is that poor mentally ill creature doing at EA to begin with? 62.77.240.200 (talk) 08:11, July 10, 2013 (UTC)

I wasn't familiar with Anita's work. So, I had to go do some research and watched both of her vids on the whole Damsel in distress in video games. Wow is all I can say. Who in the hell even pays attention to this type of thing in damn video game?? How females are treated in real life is what should be her concern. There are women who dream of having the freedoms I have, but can't because of the society they live in. But, she's worried about how women are portrayed in a video game?? And they paid her 150K? Dumbasses. As a girl gamer, I just wanna play a game that fun, interesting, and innovative. I shudder to think if her influences reached DAI. Bioware already needs to be careful how they develop the game (in my eyes). They don't need this chick around. --High Kicks (talk) 05:25, July 12, 2013 (UTC)

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I like Thunderf00t's take on Anita; he's made three videos in response, here's the first one [4]. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 06:40, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

At least if Isabela or any woman in particular has absolutely no cleavage whatsoever, every female in the game is single because they stabbed their husband/boyfriend and they were rewarded a bunch of money, and if you play a male character the only option is to be a drunk asshole, I'll know who was responsible. Dragon Age already has enough battles going on, templar vs. mage, human vs. elf, chantry vs. qunari, the last thing I want added is male vs. female, particularly from someone who if they ever saw a picture of Bayonetta or Lara Croft, would go batshit insane. _{Μάραυδερ ΟΘʹ} ^{I can make the Black Sun look like a Swoop Gang.} 18:34, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

She had previously did a "critique" of Bayonetta 2; it didn't go over well, and she has long since removed it, presumably "due to trolls"; but really, she just couldn't deal with the critiques of her critique, which for the most part showed how little of the game she actually understood [5]. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 22:56, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Funny, I'd say that she did a similar thing with Suckerpunch. Yet she claims to have watched it, though it seems from the start she couldn't get past the appearance. Not a single nice comment. Then again she is only the monster we created her to be, or the ironic damsel in distress since she's locked anyone out who wants to voice their own opinion. --Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 11:15, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

You should put back those links, it was pretty interesting stuff - the analysis, not AS's video. I must say I am rather baffled by her reaction, as it is rather obvious frlom the trailer what is going on there and it is past me how she doesn't get it if she is a culture critic. The more I learn of her, the more she seems to me not a femiNazi but a FemiBarbie, only instead of make-up and nailpolish, her head is filled with ideological stereotypes which she applies without understanding. In this sense, she truly is a damsel in distress - she has no agenda of her own, and becomes a trope of a feminist instead of a real one. --Ygrain (talk) 11:39, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I probably should have done but... Anyway, here is the analysis link for anyone else who wants to read it. [6] Oh yeah, there is this response to Anita's 1st of video game series, by KiteTales, which is one of my favourites! [7]--Xxellenmaysongxx (talk) 12:44, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

So, I watched parts of Suckerpunch on youtube and will watch it all as soon as I can get my hands on it, and let me tell you, Anita really, REALLY doesn't get it. At. All. And while I can understand this is not everyone's cup of tea, the fact that someone who is supposed to analyse culture fails to understand that this is not about sexy empowered kick-ass chicks with funny names but about the terrible abuse and oppression in that mental institution, is rather frightening.

As for KiteTales' response, it's definitely one of the best, as it's really elegant and unaggressive, but there is one thing that I dislike, and that's the disclaimer - you cannot really claim that you value someone's opinion and do not wish to degrade her research, if you basically accuse them of bias and cherrypicking. So, while I agree that this is exactly what Anita does, this civility sounds hollow. --Ygrain (talk) 11:22, July 22, 2013 (UTC)

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- chuckles - A new criticism of Anita's criticism style... [8]. Shadizar666 (Ruck Rules) 08:37, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Anita is the female version of Anthony.--BrutallyMurderedPrincess (talk) 08:52, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

This is the reason why Anita Sarkeesian has become so popular among gaming circles. If gamers would have just ignored her and let her do her thing, she would have never gained attention or notoriety. People like you are the reason she keeps growing and getting more attention, and it should stop, just stop. Can we please TRY to ignore her? Maybe it's too late, because it appears that if she's in bed with EA, people are never gonna stop talking about her.