So i was thinking about what marethari said to merrill before she went pscho and we had to kill her, she said that the eluvian was a way out of the demons prison, and that merrill would be its first victim. she didnt say how merrill would be a victim though which leads me to believe that merrill was going to be killed/mutilated/raped by the demon, rather than possessed. In dao were introduced to the demons and we learn that they lust to be in the mortal realm which leads to them possessing people and what not, but what im unclear on is how their possession thing works, i know that when weak points in the veil occur demons can come through but are they really the same 'strength' demons they are in the fade or just projections of themselves onto the mortal realm, like mortals project themselves into the fade when they dream. If this is the case then could it be that the eluvian is in fact a doorway into the fade, i know morrigan said it went to a place beyond the fade, but human perception of the fade would be different to demon perception, as we learn from justice in awakening. I think that morrigan and the warden, if you chose this, are in fact in the fade, fully immersed in it, like being underwater. What better way to become more powerful than to have an endless supply of pure lyrium and loads of very powerful demon's and spirit's to chat with. This seems quite logical to me as Merrill says she saw tamlen in the corner of her eye that one time and it makes me thin that maybe they passed over a thin spot in the veil. But anyway, something a bit more crazy is maybe the idol had a projection in the fade and the warden was fighting it, or maybe OGB was, or hell maybe Tamlen was, and when they defeated it in the fade it blew up in the real world and caused meredith's death. another thing is where was the black city in DA2?
If you actually took the time to read this lengthy specualtion of mine, thank you, your comments and ideas would be appreciated. 92.23.197.52 (talk) 20:28, March 31, 2011 (UTC) ACdeakial
- First, dear please I beg on my knees do not use the shit little window you are using now for the post - i would have killed my self to read it if it was not for the Edit and seeing everything plain. As to the topic. Well when a man is dreaming he's soul/mind is in the fade. Consider his body as a car, and him as the driver. When a demon posses him the drivers become two, but the demon can manipulate the driver in the fade and make him not care. If the demon get full control of the person he can, if he want to "project" himself in our world. There if he dies he is ultimately dead as far as I know. Now I do not think that their thing is like ours, since they are not suppose to be in the world at all while we are born with the connection to the Fade. So I guess it is not the same. Second you actually can not learn that easily things from Demons - normally they "pact" and believe me this pacts are not nice. The reason for Merril was that she would have accept a deal with the Demon, which is to let him possess her in exchange for activating the Eluvian, so Marathari rightfully did not let her. And I do not thing the Fade is the place for Morrign and the Warden - it is connected with OGB but more likely it is something else , probably connected with the ancient elves. Belov 23:35, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
- First off, sorry this is my first post on here and i was more interested in clicking publish than actually making it nice, secondly, what happens to merrill isn't actually specified, we assume that when marethari says she'll be the demons first vitim that she means she'll be possessed, only that she'll be a victim. another point is mortals are born, but what are demon's? do they just apppear or are there a certain number to them and they're like the elves once were, immortal. you last point says that eluvian will have something to do with the ancient elves, well considering that they were once one with the fade and walked in both worlds, it is entirely possible that the eluvian is a door into the fade, where both mind and body go through, rather than just mind.
ACdeakial (talk) 07:33, April 1, 2011 (UTC)ACdeakial
- Do not worry for the post, you are new it's fine, but I'm glad you fixed it. We actually see that Marathari is possessed by the demon, not only assume it. It is a fact. As to she said that this was a trap and instead Merril would have been the first victim - with quite a bit certainty it implies she was going to be possessed and as we know that she is quite naive, from the Dreamwalker quest in the Fade. No as to what demon's are and so on as far as I know we do not know if they reproduce themself, most likely not, or are they born somehow ,which is a maybe. We do not know what happens when one dies, but most likely the same as a what to a human dies, just there is no body. They are immortal of the point of view that they do not get old, but are not indestructable. The point you make about the Ancient Elves can walk in the Fade? I do not remember such Lore, please point me to a page or Codex to read, but I do not know such thing. As far as we know the only ones to enter the Fade phisically are the Magisters and we do not even know if it is physically. In the Fade there is no body, so what you are saying about the Eluvian is impossible. The whole idea behind the Fade is that it is not a material world. Belov 11:30, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
- It wasn't me who fixed it, the other poster did. I'm probably wrong about that elves thing, mixing up other people speculation with the facts, but the arlathan codex does say when the eldest of them went into their slumber they walked the fade.
As well, when i say that their bodies are in the fade, i don't mean it like theyre there physically, in the mage tower quest in dao you find nialls body, without his mind, my theory is that the eluvian allows one to enter the fade without leaving a body, it would certainly be a nice way to stay hidden. saying that though makes me think of the eluvian being a way to transform a mortal into 'spirit essence' sorta thing, or whatever demons and spirits are made of, or vice versa. You pointed out that the demons are immortal, i would assume that that is because they are denizens of the fade, and the fade is manipulated by those that are in it, at least to some extent. So if a human were to go into the fade 'fully' that would kinda suggest that they wouldn't age. What we're told about the magisters is that they found a way into the black city, and that that was supposed to be impossible, even for demons and spirits, with the exception of the most powerful of their kind. While most of this is just speculation I am interested in finding out how all these demons are around in the real world, like hybris and asunder, if you go by my eluvian theory it would suggest that the demons were able to come through them and be transformed from spirit into a physical manifestation, which would then explain why hybris goes on about seals, maybe someone used powerful magic to seal them in somewhere, and why a demon being cut apart stopped it from wreaking havoc. And finally, this is what marethari says at end of the new path: the demon would use the mirror as a doorway out of this prison and into our world. and you would have been it's first victim. she couldn't fight it in the fade while it was trapped, and she couldn't banish it without making it stronger. so she made herself its prison, you kill her and the demon dies too. if you dont believe this see for yourself here on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whL9mYj3dYg
ACdeakial
there might not be a codex for this info because the elven history is gone and they don't know what happened