Forum:Alistair can't be Fiona's kid

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I bought into this theory for a while, but then I thought about it and realized it made no sense. If you ask Loghain about why Maric never acknowledged Alistair as his son, he says that it was for Rowan's sake, it would have reduced her to a concubine in the eyes of the Ferelden people. Well, Rowan was dead by the time Maric went with the Grey Wardens, in fact, he went with the Grey Wardens out of depression because she was dead. You can't cheat on someone if they're dead, so obviously Alistair can't be Fiona's son. So, this just means there's a third heir somewhere, or the taint in Fiona ate the baby, which isn't outside the realm of possibility. HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 20:32, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

This had me going on wild fangirl speculation tangents. It's not just a continuity loophole, it's a sucking void.

Possibily the Loghain dialog in DA:O is a continuity/editing error.

• Alistair (who both looks and sounds like Cailan in-game) is indeed Fiona's son by Maric
• The story of the servant mother repeated by everyone is merely cover, and still within canon. The only thing worse than having magic in the royal line might be having elvhan blood in the royal line. Old prejudice dies hard.

BUT... if this is true, why oh WHY did Duncan conscript Alistair (willing or no) knowing him to be an heir to the throne with a protracted war looming? Possibly, to protect him in the long run. This is a stretch, as nothing in Duncan's behavior in DA:O indicated that he knew what Howe and Loghain were about to do.

The other possibility is that the dialog is not in error, but Loghain assumed Alistair to be the wrong son:

• Alistair is still Maric's son, just not Fiona's son
• Another son exists, as yet unidentified. Believe it or not, I wondered for a time, if this was true, if the missing son was Anders who I would guess to be slightly younger than, while sharing coloring and some personality traits with Alistair. He is also mage born, which would support the theory of Fiona as his mother. Like I said - wild tangents. +|| Legionnaire Scout -- talk ||+ 21:14, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

I'd just assumed that either Alistair was half-elf (doesn't look even the least bit...but then I recall someone saying that all half-elfs look completely human, which seemed to just be BioWare trying to cover their asses with Alistair or mistakes they may have made...because, look at Feynriel) and that the serving woman thing was just a cover. As for Loghain's dialogue...I don't know, Loghain could have meant Maric didn't want to insult Rowan's memory since that was his only ever officially recognized wife by Fereldan.

Other possibility is yeah, that yet another kid exists, which I find unlikely unless Maric was just the type to screw women, which not having read the books, I have no real idea. Anders being the other son is sort of on the wild side and I can't imagine they would make him SO important.

If you're looking for some support for the magical lineage, well, there is a theory that templars have to have had some magic in their lineage, but that also has some holes. Xelestial (talk) 19:46, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Loghain ment that it was for the sake of Rowans memory?

I dont really know but I beleive Alistair is Fionas kid simply because it makes a better story than that Alistairs mother was some random servant from Redcliff. Even if there are parts of it that might not make sence to you keep in mind that they arent finished with the story yet and things that seems unclear now might be explained in the future. (Unsigned)

I think Loghain thought that Alistair was kept secret for the sake of Rowan, because that would be a reason that would make sense to him if Maric did not give him the real answer. The facts are that Fiona did not want her son to know about her, or to be raised as a prince. Knowing that is more important than whatever reasons Loghain was told or came up with. Also, it would be a pretty huge coincidence that Duncan promised to look out for Fiona's son, and than also ended up being a mentor for another of Maric's illegitimate children. And having read the books, I can't believe that Alistair's mother really was a random castle servant. And if she really was, I can't believe that Maric wouldn't have heard she died, and allowed Goldanna to be left pretty much on her own. It just does not seem to fit Maric's character. --Liam Sionnach (talk) 22:06, September 24, 2011 (UTC)

Anyone remember Bodhan telling you the rumor that Cailan wasn't really Maric's son, and that his real son was a mage that was kept locked in the palace basement. Maybe that theory has some merit to it, not Cailan not being his son, but him having a secret third son, from Fiona that's a mage and locked in the basement! And in DA3, if Alistair rules alone and Anora wasn't executed, she found this mage, and since the Circle no longer exists she pushes for him to take the throne with her as his queen. DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN HomelyDrugAddict (talk) 00:37, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

This Alistair's Parentage thing reminds me of all the speculation about Jon Snow's parentage in the A Song of Ice and Fire series by George R.R. Martin. Like A Song of Ice and Fire I believe it's either meant to stay a mystery or will be revealed much later since only a very small number of people could possibly know the truth. Also another thing to point out is Alistair's sister really makes it obvious that his mother was just a serving girl at Redcliff, But it's still not a fool proof explanation. TheKingofKings (talk) 02:21, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

The only reason I think there's a good chance that Alistair isn't Fiona's son is because as it is, Ferelden has NO HEIR! Think about it, You either have Anora (who is quite likely barren) as queen or Alistair (who's been tainted for years) as king. There's no way they could have kids together, and the Warden is a a wild card (but agian, tainted). The OGB is not canon so cannot be used as an heir, the only possibility for an heir would be a long lost half-elven man with magic in his blood. Could make a great story for Bioware to use in a number of different media. 207.224.42.170 (talk) 02:53, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Looking at it from a logical point of view, this does also make a whole lot of sense. But they could also just let Alistair have a kid, I mean, Fiona did. Xelestial (talk) 03:08, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

True, but for him to have a kid in one version of the story, AND have Anora have a kid in another? It's not just that she might be barren, she also seems to be against remarrying since no one is as good as her father. She seems to be pulling a Queen Elizabeth and avoiding giving her power to the man she marries. It just seems like an issue that has to come up eventually and Fiona's kid may be the only way to solve it.207.224.42.170 (talk) 03:41, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Maybe Loghain just lied. Wouldn't be the first time. Fritzywiggins (talk) 06:32, September 25, 2011 (UTC)