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Ok Maybe Morrigan mouthed off one to many time or what ever. There going at each other fight to the death. To keep it fair nothing the PC would not have picked had you know they already are both at max level when you meet them whatever.

Anyway who would win and why.

My coin on Al he trained to fight mages and all togeather Morrigan shape-shift is kinda worthless. I really belivie that it would be a short one sided battle.--IceStar100 (talk) 09:50, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

If Morrigan could make full use of Shapeshifting then she'd definitely win. Morrigan should be able to turn into stuff like birds and stay out of Alistair's range. She could then drag the battle out until Alistair is too tired to fight effectively and finish him off. In game the Shapeshifter specialization is broken with player stats not being boosted properly by the magic stat. In terms of how they can fight within the limits of the game (and it's glitches) Alistair would probably win. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 10:43, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Age setting, mage vs warrior, and someone says warrior would win? Did we even play the same game? Dorquemada (talk) 11:45, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

This "warrior" is also a Templar. However, depending on the type of attacks learned or spells learned would depend on how this fight would go. Amm879 (talk) 12:11, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the templars can be as powerful as mages in skill, so it's plausible that they could win. Since Alistair is a templar(or was going to be..) i belive he could win against Morrigan. But, like Amm879 said, it would depend on the attacks learned.--Hyron (talk) 12:18, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

@Dorquemada Between a High level mage and a high level Warrior it could go either way, but Warriors win consistantly as long as they don't get trapped in one of those paralysis spells which they can deflect with High resistance, the add of a templar specialization and its pretty much in favor of the Warrior. Also I dont think this has a right awnser and sense I thought about the same scenario months ago I can picture this getting a lot of traffick. My pick Alistair.--Gdubs (talk) 13:46, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

A warrior perfectly boosted an specialised might have a shot of defeating a mage, but rogues are superior to both of them, if things get thigh they just melt into shadows, takes a few potions and then backstab their opponent when his or her spells or skill run out, it's a sure win.-rphb- (talk) 13:54, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I never liked rogues. My DW warrior had a dex of 60 and strength was like 55 so rogues were just underpowered and not needed compared to him. given he also had a relative lock picking skill I didn't need any rogues in my party because he could open chests and when your health is boosted so high a bear trap just becomes an inconveinience rather than actually hurting you. DW warrior was definitely the best class in my opinion, you had the speed and precision of a rogue with the raw strength and damage of a fighter. Pity theyr'e not including DW warriors in DA2 (for exactly those reasons, they want the classes to stand out more and since a DW Warrior was better than a DW Rogue if you put your stats right they decided to just give warriors sword and board and 2 hander). So yeah I gotta disagree there. I was DPS and at the end of Witch Hunt (I did all expansions and DLC) I had 2214 kills. The majority of the game was just me (DPS) Morrigan (Caster) and Sten (Tank). On topic- Alistair would win. The shapeshifter was a poor specilisation plus alistair is a templar.--DanteCousland (talk) 14:05, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure an apostate that hasn't been shaped by the circle would take care of a single templar quite easily. Just look at how Jowan's escape unfolded. That was one blood mage. Yes, I know Morrigan isn't a blood mage, but I'm sure she would have similarly powerful magic compared to your standard circle mage. Circle mages are trained in ways that they are left susceptible to a templar. As far as the rogue being superior, well I love my rogues, but I disagree. In the scope of this thread I would think we're in a "cage match" type of situation, where the stealth abilities would be useless. If you disagree with that, I would point you toward the fact that Morrigan stalked the entire party through the Kocari Wilds without being seen, so she is equally adept at the element of surprise. Besides, if you take the element of surprise into account, this entire thread would be meaningless. It would come down to whichever character was tactful enough to catch the other while they slept. If we're basing this on sheer offensive and defensive capabilities, I think Morrigan would win quite handily. LVTDUDE (talk) 14:16, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Also note: the question of whether Morrigan is a Blood Mage is actually just another part of the "it depends on their skills" thing. My Morrigan usually was a Blood Mage.--DarkAger (talk) 14:41, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

As many people said, it would depend somewhat on their respective skills. My sword-and-shield Templar Warden (basically an Alistair analog) could trample right over a mage if he got close enough, shield-bashing them and whatnot to break their concentration and then hacking them to death. Even then, though, they would invariably get off at least a couple of spells before I took them down, which could be a major problem for me if those spells were things like Crushing Prison and Flying Swarm.

So I say that Morrigan would win if her spells were any good, for the same reason that Morrigan always completely destroyed Loghain if I sent her in to duel him. Cone of cold. Sleep spell, then terror for the Nightmare combo. Crushing prison while he's still standing there trembling like a big wuss. Dead Loghain. He would never even get close enough for a single attack. It would go pretty much the same way with Alistair, Templar abilities notwithstanding, especially since (contrary to what many people have said above) the Templar abilities are not nearly as useful as the in-game lore makes them out to be.--DarkAger (talk) 14:28, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

That made me laugh a bit. Bravo! Loghain is a big wuss. LVTDUDE (talk) 14:30, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

My pick is Alistair. He is a templar like so many have brought up and a DAMN GREY WARDEN!(Cheers from all the screaming girl fans). If Alistair can aid in slaying the Archdemon, he can defeat an apostate mage. Now what I wanna see is Morrgan and Leliana fight. With a little help, she could just have Alistair cleanse the area, the PC could be a ref. Wynne's magic needs to be cleanse too cuz she'll try and break up the fight with one of her spells. Hell, maybe not cuz she doesn't really like Morrigan either. Anyway, once it's all set, Leliana'll say in her cute accent, "What were all those awwwful things you were saying about everyone"? Say them again now that we are in the ring togetha". Morrigan will try and say " Tis a curious thing BARD that you think---- (wham). Morrigan goes does in a flurry of punches and stealth attacks!!RhiannonCousland (talk) 14:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Before this thread devolves into actual insanity, may I suggest that people back up their choice with arguments with something other than wishful thinking and daydreams? I mean, I could just as easily say, "Alistair would be all 'Derp derp I'm a whiney dumbass, hey random lady would you like a rose-- OH MAKER PLEASE MORRIGAN STOP! YOUR BEAR-FORM IS TEARING OUT MY ENTRAILS AND TOSSING THEM AROUND THE CAMP LIKE CONFETTI! Yeearrrgh..." But what, exactly, would be the point of that?

Oh, who am I kidding, this is absolutely where this thread is headed. I blame YOU, IceStar100! *shakes fist* Yes, the OP has failed us by not specifying whether we were to debate on the grounds of game mechanics, or game lore, or complete nonsense, as above.--DarkAger (talk) 15:03, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Whatever!! Alistair is the living end and if he CLEANSES THE AREA, Morrigan would be getting the crap kicked out of her! Not ripping out those precious entrails!! Wait, I have to be sure; is that last comment directed toward me? RhiannonCousland (talk) 15:09, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

All Cleanse the Area does is dispel currently active spells. All that would do is turn Morrigan back into human form, at which point she can hit him with a Cone of Cold and so on. As to that last comment, yes, it was directed at your Morrigan/Leliana scenario. It was also directed at my own Alistair/rose/bear thingie. Scenarios that boil down to "Character X would win because I love character X, and character Y would lose because I hate character Y" are not sensible arguments. They are nonsense arguments.

You said "If Alistair can aid in slaying the Archdemon, he can defeat an apostate mage." I could just as easily come back with "If Morrigan can aid in slaying the Archdemon, she can defeat a former Templar/Grey Warden." Since neither of our arguments are based on anything but personal preference, neither of us can "win" the debate, and both of us can only lose as we descend ever further into gibbering fan-insanity. In contrast, at least there's some vague semblance of interior logic in our parallel argument on the usefulness of Cleanse the Area vs. Bear Form. So I was suggesting that we stick with the latter kind of debate rather than the former.--DarkAger (talk) 15:48, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Alistair. Alistair is always in my party because he's a great tank for my rogue and he's a templar. Without him, the mages rape me. Plus, I think Shapeshfter is so useless... (and one of my mages is Shapeshifter), and I always have Wynne in my party as well because of her healing skills, so I don't need another mage running here and there while Alistair is trying to remove the foes from their arses. Another reason I don't like to have Morrigan in my party, is because her approval falls a lot, since most of my Wardens are good so the witch is always with low approval. --Rocketai (talk) 15:19, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

Shapeshifter is pretty useless, but I still always take all the Shapeshifter spells for Morrigan, just for the sake of RP. And she can still kick all kinds of ass with her other spells. Just because she has Shapeshifter spells, doesn't mean that that's all she has. It goes back to "it depends on their skills." As for the "Morrigan disapproves of me," that really has nothing to do with who would win in a fight, and so I'm not sure what... oh why am I even bothering. Let go, DarkAger! It is time to let go.--DarkAger (talk) 15:59, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

That I know, I'm not saying that Morrigan is 100% useless, I also said that I don't need another mage in the party because all I need is a tank, a damage-dealer, a healer and a rogue. Wynne already comes with the healer specialization, Alistair is the tank and a templar, Sten/Oghren makes good damage-dealer and my Warden as the archer/rogue. Yeah, I'm starting saying about my party... Pff... I totally ignored the main subject. Well, Alistair no doubt since he's a templar. Only use a Holy Smite and poof. -- Rocketai (talk) 16:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)