Forum:Affiliation with Asassin's Creed

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I've been working on the Help:Portal pages with D. Cello from the Assassin's Creed Wiki for the past few months. The portal sliders has seen a lot of positive feedback from their users. They have also received many helpful suggestions on how to improve it - one of these suggestions is to make it graphic based and they are taking that suggestion to heart.

Because of our close relationship, D. Cello has offered to list us as an affiliate site on their new page. It is going to be one of the slider page so it will be on the front page, past a few slides.

We don't have an affiliate program. If we do accept, the right thing to do is to backlink to their wiki when we do implement such a program. That's just courtesy.

A program like that would increase traffic across the wikis. And it could create a closer bond between the wikis.

On the other hand, I'm not sure how much Assassin's Creed has in common with BioWare games. Would an affiliate program be misconstrued as an ad?

What do you think? -- tierrie talk contr 00:03, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

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Good vs. Evil is common across Ubisoft and BW games. And exploration. And hoods. I'm pretty sure Assassin is a spec in DA:O and DA2, and in the AC series you play as an Assassin.

I say 'aye'. Can we have a poll on this? It'd make things easier, for one. Quirkynature (talk) 00:09, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

There won't be a poll on this subject as - this isn't a decision we will make based on popular vote. Polls distill the complicated nature of this issue down to a thumbs up or a thumbs down. Instead, I rather have a rational pros vs cons arguments discussion here. Then, based on the feedback, we can weight our options then make an educated decision.

If someone wants to participate in determining how the policy is made, then they should take the time to write down their opinion, as you have. -- tierrie talk contr 00:15, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

You're too kind, because my 'comment' wasn't much more than a 'lolol yea'.

Pros: More traffic here.

Cons: Not much in common.

I'm simplifying this, yes, because that's how I see it. To me, DAWiki is a (really, really, really useful) reference site. I don't know what you mean by 'portal' (makes my opinions rather worthless, but I'm compelled, yes, compelled, to offer them nonetheless). Question: what do you mean by 'portal'? Quirkynature (talk) 00:33, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

My first inclination is to keep it within BioWare first. But we don't have a strong working relationship with ME or the other BioWare wikis. It would be very weird to be affiliated with Assassin's Creed before Mass Effect. On the other hand, good opportunities to cross link is rare, especially with a high traffic site like Assassin's Creed Wiki.

What is Dragon Age wiki to you? Is it a reference site? Or is it portal? -- tierrie talk contr 00:15, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I support this, but I'm teetering towards neutrality. Anything that drags in more traffic is good for the wiki, but I'm a little concerned with the similarities between AC and DA (or the lack, thereof). If we do accept, we should affiliate with wikis which concern themselves with Bioware games, or the same genre, such as the ME or Witcher wikis. King Cousland | Talk 00:23, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

IMO comparing DA to AC is like comparing either of them to Star Wars. So I guess I can see how it would be reasonable to just keep ties with RPG wikis like BW titles and the Witcher. Then again it would get this wiki more attention like Quirky said. I'm neutral on it, but upping the popularity of good wikis (i.e AC,Starwars,ME, and DA wikis) seems like a good idea to me.--LordRevan25 (talk) 01:22, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I see nothing negative about it really. For me personally, the two series have always had a bit of an overlap with the Templars, I took my ideas of 'Templars' from AC into Origins. And it can't hurt to have more foot traffic here really can it? I'm not on the AC wiki, but I may be inclined to check it out were it presented when you're on here, and vice versa, there may be AC players who have played DA, but aren't on here and may make the trip over. Win, win really. As to the idea of only really affiliating with BioWare franchises etc, I say pfft, BioWare isn't exactly remaining totally loyal to their fans if you ask me, I'm not going out of my way to support them when they seem to be totally ignoring the ones who, in the end pay their wages. S13Kuro (talk) 03:03, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see a problem here, other than it would be more logical to be affiliation with other BioWare game wiki or other RPGs first, as others have said. Theres not a lot the two series have in common other than a medieval setting (at least for first AC anyway). But ,also like others have said, it would increase traffic on both sites, which is a good thing. Andy the Black (talk) 03:44, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I support tierries' idea of having an affiliation program with AC Wiki. I think it is better than having an affiliation program with ME Wiki or Witcher Wiki or so called any RPG "Wiki". Here are my reasons:

I have handled some "Corporate Relationship Programs" as a part of my occupation. Even though the mechanism are different the goal is similar in both cases. That is to expand the Wiki/ Organization to new set of users/ customers. So when trying to expand our Wiki we should keep in mind the following:

1. The target user group should not be very much familiar with this Wiki: Majority of RPG fans who have played DA franchise also played ME. So this affiliation program will target a user group where the majority is aware/ using DA, which means there won't be any new traffic where we will circulate already available traffic.

2. The target user group should not be completely different: There is no point of having an affiliation program with a Wiki that supports a TV series or Movie series. Because there is a higher possibility those users are not interested in gaming at all (there can be exceptions). So in that case I don't think we can even consider those users as potential target group.

So what we need a proper balance a target group that is not strange to gaming but also not too familiar/ using this Wiki. Also please keep in mind in any affiliation program the "close relationship" between two parties are required. That is not something we can build within a day.

For those who concern about "RPG" category, Is ME2 a "RPG" or "Third person shooter with RPG elements"? IS DA2 a "RPG" or "Action/ Adventure with RPG elements"? Bioware is currently blending the "old fasion RPG" with "Shooter" and "Action/ Adventure" games (whether we support it or not), so can we clearly categorize them as "RPG"? -- Snfonseka (Talk) 04:41, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I think you're thinking too much like a suit. :P I don't really see why we should not include other gaming wikis simply because they may be too similar. To me, at this point, this affiliation idea is simply an endorsement of other wikis because they have a good community and good articles. It's not like anyone, except Wikia, is making money off this. In my opinion, we shouldn't just look on what they can bring to us in terms of traffic. --D. (talk · contr) 05:02, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

Im obviously all for. and they are also doing some cool things with thier homepage (that tierre alluded to) that is really cool. --99.120.169.64 (talk) 04:27, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm honestly very confused by this idea. First of all, anyone who doesn't know that there is a wiki for almost everything on this planet that can be accessed by Google is not the audience for this wiki. Secondly, AC and DA have very little in common from gameplay to narrative. Thirdly, what does it matter if this site gets traffic? Is someone making money off this website? No need to drive traffic when it doesn't equal revenue.--Archon Gaius Lucius Vindicus Caesar III (talk) 04:58, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sold on this idea yet, not because I hate it or anything, but rather I'm simply neutral regarding this affiliation. Just exactly what would this be about? Simply linked on the main page?

I doubt the effectiveness of getting traffic that much. Due to the way Wikia has set the skin, all three wikis are pretty much linked on every wiki since they're all popular (thanks to the header and the gaming "hubs"). I'm simply skeptical that getting the wiki linked in the fourth slider or something like this will really make the wiki get more traffic, especially since it's on the main page only. To be honest, traffic isn't really going to make me want to jump on Team Yes.

Doing this means we're endorsing both wikis including their community. I visit the Mass Effect wiki very often, so I believe I have a good idea on how it is there. I don't know much about the Assassins's Creed wiki though. I don't mean they must have their serious face on or anything, but it's rather about people feeling welcomed there and not being pushed away from editing.

So the only thing I see is that affiliated wikis would make a pretty slider for their wiki, while I don't know how this would look on our wiki or the ME wiki (an additional box I suppose). If this is simply a "link on the main page" deal, then how visible the wiki's logo will be? Are people going to groan if we link their website in the fourth slider or something? I'd like to know exactly where this is going. Just how "exclusive" will this be? Are we going to accept other partners? --D. (talk · contr) 05:02, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm not quite sure how I feel about instigating an affiliate program. The biggest question I have is how we would decide who we would affiliate with in the future. Are we to going with genre of game, quality of wiki, size of wiki, will we stick with just games? However, I think if it was an unobtrusive link on the front page, I wouldn't object. Loleil ^Talk 05:15, August 17, 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean by Portal? If you mean the kind of Portal on the SWTOR wiki linking KoTOR, KoTOR II, and SWTOR on the same wiki[1], then I am against that. If you want the graphic Portal you showed in the Images shared, then I would say do that but try to keep it among publishers, Genre or Wikis that have shown to be excellent (Wookiepedia, DA, ME, AC,) which I think would work best. But first I think the leaders of this wiki should talk to the heads of other wikis and see if they would want a portal connecting them. I frequent DA ME and AC wikis often, because they are all valuable tools for the games and lore, and I see no problem connecting them if it makes sense. S BenDev (talk) 05:27, August 17, 2011 (UTC)