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It's a bit difficult for me to put the thoughts together... Well, about this [1] blog... Some of the supposed DA fans showed a great deal of immaturity, outright idiocy and went totally over the edge in attacking one of DA writers. Shouldn't we respond somehow? With an opened letter of support from the Wiki? And show that DA fanbase on the whole consists of intelligent people, and we care for those, who create our favorite franchise? An example. Our trusty affiliates from Mass Effect Wiki wrote a letter [2], complaining about "Deception's" numerous mistakes. This and many other fans' complains started a civilized discussion [3]. Everyone benefits. Now, I'm not talking about criticism, but rather support for J.Hepler and DA writing team in general. I don't think, that we, one of the largest and well-known DA fan communities, should sit idly, when all that sh*tstorm is going on. Thoughts? I'd very much like to hear the admins opinions as well.-Algol- (talk) 20:42, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I wholly support this idea. ----Isolationistmagi 21:03, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds nice. good idea Algol--Calle Cousland (talk) 21:11, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I also agree that it is a good idea. Asherinka (talk) 21:18, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I personally agree with it if it's done in the manner of individual users signing their user names. Basically in the format of a petition. I only say this as we had a discussion a while ago about wiki representation outside wikia, and the consensus was that it was best not to elect a spokesperson to represent the wiki. If we can build a consensus here, I'd ceetainly sign my name. King Cousland | Talk   21:21, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I have to say that I agree with what KC said about "wiki representation outside wikia", so instead of calling "Official DA Wiki..." or something like that we can represent ourselves as a group of members in DA Wiki who want to show support to her. But since we are trying to a good deed here, may I suggest to create a blog (so everyone can actually sign it) in this Wiki mentioning our support to her. Then deliver the link with a note. If necessary we can notice regarding this in the front page so it will get users attention easily. Anyway kudos to Algol for bringing this idea. -- Snfonseka (Talk) 03:46, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well, not that I meant a spokesperson or something, just a person who'll write the letter text, and then individual users will sign their names, just as you propose. I would love to write it myself, but I have to admit, that I'm not good at this sort of things.-Algol- (talk) 21:43, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I had in mind something along the lines of simply messaging a dev at BioWare Social with a message such as: Some of us at the wiki would like to declare our support for Jennifer Hepler at this no doubt difficult time, and wondered if you would be kind enough to pass along our messages of support? And then the signatures. My apologies if it feels like I'm hijacking your idea King Cousland | Talk   22:12, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

No, no hijacking at all. This would do nicely, if someone organized said messages, or wrote a message people could sign. Because I don't even have an account on BioWare social:(-Algol- (talk) 22:16, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

If we can build a consensus (which it seems like we're well on our way to doing) I'd be willing to deliver the message. I assume everybody who has given their support here would be willing to have their username added? King Cousland | Talk   22:23, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Of course. (Speaking for myself here.)----Isolationistmagi 22:30, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

YES. Thanks for volunteering for delivering a message-Algol- (talk) 22:49, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

What's all this then? EzzyD (talk) 21:38, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your support so far:)-Algol- (talk) 21:43, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

I support this too...SirLester

Tossing my support in for this good ideaRathian Warrior (talk) 21:59, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

You have my swo- err, I mean support :-) Matt-256 (talk) 22:00, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

So... Is there a good writer among us? King Cousland, Rathian Warrior, I'm looking your way:)-Algol- (talk) 22:16, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

aye captain, let's give her all we got...support that is:) ...SirLester

I support this as I wrote earlier. Asherinka (talk) 23:35, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

-- I was thinking of doing something like this too. I'm glad to see I'm not alone on this. I personally don't see the big deal at all with what she said. I work at a Starbucks, but I don't really like coffee. She likes her work and she does it well. Who cares if she actually enjoys playing games? I'd like to throw in my support as well. Thank you for this. :) --98.151.222.92 (talk) 23:46, February 22, 2012 (UTC) TurboTwistedFire

Make sure you use ":" instead of "TAB" to indent comments. ----Isolationistmagi 00:05, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I support this as well. Nilfalasiel (talk) 01:13, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Please add my signature to the message (if you're compiling a list, I mean. If we're to sign manually somewhere when it's completed, I'll be happy to do that, too). Emilia Amell (talk) 01:22, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm up for it as well. DeltaEcho (talk) 02:13, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

To just go after somebody for no good reason (or any reason) is just not right. And after working on such an amazing universe, I feel we owe her some love and support. I will be glad to sign. --Blood Prince (talk) 02:44, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I support this. Put my name down if we're listing here. GoldenNightKnight (talk) 03:45, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds awesome. I support. --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 04:28, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I VOLUNTEER my name. I dont care who worked on what, people shouldnt insult anyone as bad as they did to Jennifer. And for her reaction to those comments? I probably would say the same things if that were my personal twitter account. Crimpycracker (talk) 05:00, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Count me in, too. Wandrew (talk) 06:34, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

What those "fans" did was pretty messed up, so I'm definitely for showing a little support to Helper and the rest of the DA team while also showing that the majority of us gamers aren't huge d-bags. TKismyname (talk) 06:59, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Maker help us, count me in too. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 09:00, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is a brilliant idea! I also thought that the insult was totally out of question. Throw my name to! --ArakinTheWarden (talk) 09:08, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

This is me adding my support Ninja Daemon117 (talk) 09:39, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wow, 22 users supported this in the space of 2 days! Anyway, count me in as well. 4Ferelden (talk) 09:47, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

EDITED: King Cousland I'd be more than happy to work on the letter with you if you want. Apparently people think I have good writing skills ;) Rathian Warrior (talk) 13:09, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Count me in guys :) (DDragonfly1990 (talk) 14:05, February 23, 2012 (UTC))

Please, add my name to the list. That was uncalled for! M.Dragon (talk) 14:08, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I throw my support in this as well.Gaiden96 (talk) 15:03, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with you guys. Just tell me where to sign. HELO (talk) 15:08, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I'm with you, add me to the list. No excuse for that kind of behaviour. Felinae Silvestris (talk) 15:59, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I add my name to whatever petition / letter in support of Jennifer Hepler the wiki puts together. My attitude: Do you want to make constructive comments about how to positively improve a franchise we all love, and hope can be great? Fine. Do you want to make personal and horrible attacks against an individual working hard at her job? Totally, utterly unacceptable, and no place for it at all. We should condemn it. --NickyStuu (talk) 16:18, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

That. If you want to nail down DA2's shortcomings, sure - but attacking the woman like that, and harrassing her for months, is plain SICK. - This wiki has been a rather safe and civilised place, and I totally agree that we should make ourselves heard and show that we do not condone such base actions.--Ygrain (talk) 17:14, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

What those fans did was outright embarrassing for us all and it should never happen again. I totally support this action. Something needs to be done.--JD (talk) 17:01, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Add me to the list as well. All the best for JH :) Supreme Dragon (talk) 17:59, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

My support shall be granted. Noctarius (talk) 18:10, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Add me to the list as well. I can't believe that fans of any series would do this to a writer. The Queen of the Dwarves has my full support. :)--Ryder 1994 (talk) 18:26, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Is there an actual list somewhere yet? Because I would like to be on it.--Liam Sionnach (talk) 18:41, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I think it's best to wait a few days for everyone to put their name down who'd like to, but rest assured I'll put everyone down who's shown support King Cousland | Talk   19:37, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Well said Algol, Bioware writers are undoubtedly some of the best on the planet, you have my support --GamerGuy27 (talk) 19:07, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Please put my name down as well.There was no call for that sort of behaviour and I hope JH keeps writing.Oso27us (talk) 21:00, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Yes, sign me on too. TraumaKitty (talk) 21:26, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

Please add me to the list. Elthadriel (talk) 21:54, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

We should find the terrorist and destroy them. User:Super Warden

Count me in, as well Moses Killwind (talk) 22:34, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I can't remember my password but the Friendlysociopath stands behind Jennifer Hepler.

I´m willing to show my support, so add me as well. --Nialthor (talk) 00:12, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sounds like an excellent idea. Please add me as well. Soren 4ever (talk) 23:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC)

I wholeheartedly concur, please add me as well. Thanks Qalan (talk) 01:53, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I will not stand idly by while a dragon burns my hold and slaughters my people! I will slouch in my throne instead... Oh sorry, wrong video game series... Let me do it again: I will not sit idly on my desk while trolls flame my Dragon Age writers and slaughters my stories! Danerogil (talk) 09:38, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Add me to the list as well. --Lord Evgarad (talk) 10:42, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

Good idea, count me in.--Schrödingercat (talk) 16:28, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

As a professional writer, personal attacks against an author over anything appall me. It's my worst nightmare, in fact. Especially in the world of "username" internet. Hepler's name is out there for everyone to see, while everyone else gets to be cruel and anonymous. Jerks. So please send her my support, with my real name. Suzanne Enoch. AL-astaria (talk) 17:01, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

count me in --Master-at-arms (talk) 17:27, February 24, 2012 (UTC)

I absolutely support this idea! Add me :) --DeadeyeIII (talk) 10:48, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

I disagree with the direction she and the rest of the team have taken with DA2. Hopefully this can be fixed in the future. But I'll still suport this idea. Count me in Dawnofdoom999 (talk) 23:08, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

It is sad that someone of BioWare is facing such immaturity from people. Maybe BW should take away their games and see what they say then. I'm in. Jon Ossum (talk) 00:29, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't normally get involved on here, I just read the posts, but you can count me in. Mondrak 01:18, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I add my support to the lot as well. This type of behavior cannot be tolerated.BahamutXero (talk) 05:16, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

You have my support. --Sencilia (talk) 10:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Give them nothing, but take from them, EVERYTHING!!!! So yeah support I this idea, didn't know if I made it clear in my first post. All hail Jennifer Hepler, HAIL. User:Super Warden

You have my support. --AlbinoBlackLamb (talk)

Count me in.--Gboy4 (talk) 15:53, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

I don't really know the details. But if this thing is going to be about the insults and all that, I am happy to sign my name underneath it. But if it'll include good words about her work, I'll probably pass, because I don't want to sign something I don't agree with. Henio0 (talk) 18:01, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

People can be idiots sometimes, and bullying in any form is out of order, I've only seen a handful of the fake posts and comments about her, but i can't imagine how she must be feeling. I think the DA community showing our support is a great idea, count me in :) Tyr Aeducan (talk) 18:13, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Please add me to the list. TheTeaMustFlow (talk) 18:24, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Add me to the list. What those Sons of B*tches did was digraceful, and not right. She's poured her heart into her work and all she gets in return is hatred. No writer deserves that one bit. I haven't played DA2 but causing a life crisis isn't right one way or another. Jennifer, 99% of us here at Dragon age Wikia are routing for you. We're the mighty grey wardens and the haters are the soulless Darkspawn. AND they will fall by our swords. Phoenix96 (talk) 19:13, February 26, 2012 (UTC)

Supported. Karabekian (talk) 04:21, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

Please add me on to the list. My full support to this idea and to Jennifer.Croc484 (talk) 05:09, February 27, 2012 (UTC)Croc484

I would also like to be added to this list :) regardless of anyone's opinion with her work, bullying and death threats are way over the line. Besides, Legacy was pretty cool :) Ccg08 (talk) 06:45, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

such people make us gamer look bad.. I support this.--Icemoomoo (talk) 10:19, February 27, 2012 (UTC)

I like this idea. I was thinking myself when I saw this if I were Hepler and this happened to me, it'd make very sad and a bit bitter. To get a letter of support reminding me of how kind people can really be would make it all worth it though I thought. So put me on the list man! If you need someone to write up something pulling our general feelings together, let me know, otherwise I think you should put a date to have it done by as I see it's been a week. Let's show BioWare we're not all like those losers. Xelestial (talk) 02:11, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

I am about to send the letter, which reads as follows:

Dear *dev*
I am delivering this message on behalf of a large group of users of the Dragon Age Wiki, who feel that the barrage of insults directed at Jennifer Hepler have been juvenile, unjustified, and unworthy of Dragon Age fans. In no way do we the undersigned condone such actions. We continue to be fans of the world you have created, and are just as appalled as you are over the actions taken against Ms. Hepler. No matter how one feels towards any aspect of the Dragon Age franchise, to go to such lengths as to attack Ms. Hepler on a personal level for such petty reasons is simply deplorable. I can assure you that we the signatories strongly condemn such unnecessary, vitriolic behavior, and we pray that Ms. Hepler is not negatively affected by this attack against her. As such, we would like to make a humble request for you to be kind enough to pass along our most sincere support for Ms. Hepler at this no doubt difficult time. We wish her the absolute best in the future, and it is our hope that this is the last of such incidents.

I have also created a blog per Snfonseka's suggestion, as I expect more users would like to show their support after the letter has been sent. King Cousland | Talk   18:29, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Ooh, "vitriolic" I like ^_^ Looks great to me! Xelestial (talk) 18:34, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Heh, thanks, but the credit goes to User:Rathian Warrior for the letter King Cousland | Talk   18:35, February 28, 2012 (UTC)

Looks pretty damn good to me :) (DDragonfly1990 (talk) 01:24, February 29, 2012 (UTC))

          Most excellent letter and well put..SirLester

Do we need to sign the letter personally, or are you going to add our names based on who contributed to this thread? And... thank you! --NickyStuu (talk) 08:37, February 29, 2012 (UTC)