Ok, let me start this off by saying that this is my first forum that I created so please bear with me.
There have been many speculations as to who or what Flemeth really is, some say she is an Eleven God others say she is an Old God, but I propose this, The Chantry says that the magisters of the Tevinter Imperium tried to enter the Golden city and userp Heaven and that the Maker cast them down and they became the first darkspawn, as we know people in Tevinter worshipped the seven Old God's and the Old God's were Dragon's.
What I believe is this, The seven Old God's were the magister who entered the Golden city, as they would have to have been the seven most powerful magisters to be able to do this, they knew that the Maker would resist so they went in their most powerful form a dragon, when this failed the Maker cast them back to earth and imprisoned them in their dragon form and trapped them underground so them wouldn't be able to cause harm.
Now for Flemeth, I believe that she was one of the magisters that entered the Golden city and was the first archdemon to be defeated, the reason for the first blight would be that she was driven by her hatred for the people who helped Andraste defeat the Imperium and thus she decided to take her revenge thus beginning the first blight.
And now the darkspawn, I believe that the darkspawn were the apprentices to the magisters who would have followed them into the Golden city or partake in the ritual to get there, and as such the punishment would not have been as severe and were forced to carry the taint that their masters brought with them, since they shared the taint they could follow their master's call into the deep roads but lacking the numbers to go too far into the deep road they settled there and waited will the taint consumed them, they slowly began to lose their minds and began to run out of food, during this time they would have been attacking Dwarven travelers and patrols and since the taint had spread some much in them they could now pass it on to others, In between attacking Dwarves and slowly going mad they would be tunnelling searching for their masters and as there numbers grew they could tunnel more and faster and eventually found one of their masters 'Flemeth' and because the taint was a punishment from the Maker it contained a small essence of him and with the sheer number of darkspawn they were able to undo the prison that kept the Old God underground and when she 'awoke' she wanted revenge, but Flemeth is smart and cunning she knew she couldn't do any damage with her current forces, so she waited and built up her numbers by turning the women into broodmothers and when she had a large enough army she attacked and so began the first blight.
And back to Flemeth after her defeat, After Flemeth's Dragon body was destroyed the curse holding her in that form was also destroyed and thus she regained her Human form and the madness and hatered began to fade away until she saw the damage that she had done and eventually what the chantry did to her and her fellow magisters and she harboured a deep resentment for the chantry, what she had done in her anger had shown her the amount of damage they had done by confronting the Maker and knew that when her fellow magister where 'awoken' they would do the same as her, so she made it a personal quest to make sure that the other six magister were destroyed and released from their curse, And when one is 'awoken' she helps the Grey wardens to defeat it.--Freedom4mage (talk) 23:18, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Good work of finally making a theory with lack of speculations. Really approve. The only whole in it is what happened to the other magisters in that case? Those who already were awakened. Second remember that "the Maker" is a term which lives with the founding of the Chantry, so it is very possible to even not exist... What is more Andraste lives a lot of time after the First Blight so the statement for the First Blight being against Andraste is absolutely false. And of course Tevinter worshiped the OldGods long before the Magisters have come to rule Tevinter. You are looking in the right direction according to my theories, but have inconsistencies. Belov 23:53, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
- Okay, look, I know I can't possibly be the only one annoyed by this, as much as some are irritated by "rouge" always being used for "rogue": please cease and desist with using apostrophes to indicate the plural! "Old God's" is a possessive form...it refers to an object owned by a single Old God, it does NOT refer to more than one Old God.
- To whit: The response to "...the Old God's..." is "the Old God's what?" When talking about more than one Old God, it is "Old Gods."
Ok we're going slighty off topic here. --Freedom4mage (talk) 23:19, March 29, 2011 (UTC)
- You can by the way try to figure something new without the problems I pointed. Quite interested to hear it. As for the "teacher" post - first please Sign your posts so we do know you. Second - the answer is quite clear that there are several creatures which Tevinter worshiped and as Egyptians had a lot Gods we say OldGods ... and I didn't see in this topic the use of the word "rouge" to pointed here? Belov 00:18, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Okay, so for the statement about Andraste I didn't mean that the Old God went to war with Andraste but what she had done and created E.g. Defeated part of the Tevinter Imperium and makeing mages hated throughout Thedas well more so anyway and giving the Chantery the power to rule over them, And the Magisters were the Old Gods/'s (I'm not going to argue the spelling) who came to rule over the Tevinter Imperium, and since there is only one Old Gods/'s per Blight the rest haven't been "awoken" yet. --Freedom4mage (talk) 21:34, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
i think you have a great hypothesis except for the few holes--Ekiller01 (talk) 23:18, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
Well what would you suggest to fill those holes? --Freedom4mage (talk) 15:14, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
If Flemeth really was Dumat... WHY would she save the Warden and the Champion? --Wildenchantedspirit (talk) 21:34, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
It's in the last paragraph--Freedom4mage (talk) 16:27, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
I definitely see this a feasible answer to who/what Flemeth is. Maybe one of her apprentices was a lover to a Grey Warden, and they discovered the result of dark ritual, which would explain how Flemeth could have been reborn. The "reborn" Flemeth got her memories back at one point, and that's when they realized the effect of the apprentice's and her grey Warden lover's act on the eve of the final battle. I'm wondering if the Tevinter Magisters already had a way of possessing the bodies of others, which is what Morrigan was fearful of Flemeth about.
In the game, Morrigan tells the Warden that she believes a child conceived through the ritual will survive and possess the soul of an Old God, freed of its corruption. I agree that Flemeth has a reason for aiding the Wardens, though it may be that she has raised her "daughters" in order to be the vessels for the children possessing the souls of the other Magisters/Old Gods. Many speculate that Flemeth sent Morrigan on the Warden's quest so that she could be possess the child and become a god, but what if it was really to save her fellow magisters? --Aviv_Espera 15:26 March 31, 2011.
There are too many theroys trying to sum up everything at once you cant have the whole without the parts. I think one of the biggest part of putting together this puzzle is to find out what Flemeth is. Lets list whats shes not 1) Not a darkspawn in any way-including old god- how do we know? why else would she ask the warden to stop the blight, an old god wouldnt want to stop the blight 2) She is not the maker-somebody said this and it is probably the dumbest thing ive eve heard
Most Likely i consider her to be the "formless one" one of the four demons along with Gaxkang and Xeckenbex. Im not sure how all this ties together though.Srcmdy (talk) 21:25, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
I have heard the "Formless one" theory before and it did sound pretty good and the one about her being the Maker is just rubbish, as to why she would help the Grey Wardens is expalained in the last paragraph, although Aviv Espera's version is really good. --Freedom4mage (talk) 22:24, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
- You did not hear have you? About Andraste - she is a lot after Dumat's First Blight, so as it can't be a war against Andraste it can't be a war against what Andraste DID as she has came to BE long after that. I will give you hints for the holes but it's time to go to bed.Belov 04:41, April 1, 2011 (UTC)
If anyone would like to fill in any of the holes in this topic feel free but please stay on topic.--Freedom4mage (talk) 01:43, April 3, 2011 (UTC)