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I think a demon companion would make for an interesting party member in Inquisition. We've had a spirit in Justice, a man possessed by what's more or less a demon now in Anders possessed by Vengeance, and now I think we should get a full on demon. With the whole Veil tear thing coming about in Inquisition, there's plenty of reason to think a demon could be out and about on its own in the real world. I'd take another Justice style one, meaning that it's a demon who's possessed a body, but unlike Anders it would be fully in control. I'd think it'd be much more interesting, though less likely, that we'd get one with it's own physical form.

I can see a lot of reasons why they wouldn't want to do that, but still. I do think it'd be quite interesting. What do you guys think? --NinjaChocobo925 (talk) 19:47, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I want no demon, no abomination and no spirit as a companion. I don't need those fiends in my team to clean Thedas from them.78.8.136.83 (talk) 20:24, September 16, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

• Wouldn't a demon have useful knowledge on what kills demons though? Seems to me if killing demons is your goal an insider's opinion would be helpful. --NinjaChocobo925 (talk) 20:41, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't need informations from demon to kill a demon, traitor of own kind is not trust worthy and I have no guarantee, if those informations aren't any trap. If any demon offers me help, I reject it and slay it. No trust for demons and no trust for traitors.78.8.136.83 (talk) 22:05, September 16, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

The problem is that requires a demon willing to kill it's own brethren, something that only happens between spirits and demons, not demons and demons. The only character I can see being even vaguely demon like and plausible would be Cole from Asunder. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 21:02, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I don't think it'd be too much of a stretch for a demon to mind killing other demons. I find it a bit odd to believe that a creature that does the sort of things demons are known to do would draw the line at killing other demons. Maybe he's just using the Inquisitor? Helping him kill other demons so the Inquisitor will help him, willingly or through ignorance, for some other dark deed. Or maybe this demon is just an odd duck. Maybe he doesn't want the demons, or whatever is causing the trouble in Inquisition, killing all the humans because they're useful to it? There's lots of reasons they could come up with for a demon to want to help out. --NinjaChocobo925 (talk) 21:19, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I on other hand don't want Cole in team, I want to destroy him, because killing him is no longer possible.78.8.136.83 (talk) 22:05, September 16, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

You have a very close-minded and narrow view of the fictional world of Thedas anon...It's that kind of half arsed thinking that got us into this mage templar war....

To the point! That would be rather interesting to have a full demon or possessed party member, what if it took the slot of "Player's pet" and was a possessed cat like Kitty. Thoughtful insight on demon slaying from a talking possessed cat! Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 23:10, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Speak for yourself. Cole is a freak of nature with no right to exist, a dead, who refuses to stay dead. One, who died is dead and he's too greedy and too arrogant to accept it, so he took lives of others to sustain his pathetic self in the world of living. He deserves nothinfg but destruction. Destruction to all demons, they have no right to be in world of living. I'll be satisfied like hell by chopping Cole in Fade.78.8.136.83 (talk) 06:16, September 17, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

Did you even read Asunder? Based on what you just said it doesn't sound like you did. Sounds like you have a lot more in common with demons then you'd like to believe...Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 07:56, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Don't insult me by comparing me to those fiends. I have flesh and bones, when demons don't. I read DA:Asunder and I want Cole to be destroyed. I say destroyed because you can't kill a demon.78.8.136.83 (talk) 08:01, September 17, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

anon, I have a number here for a great therapist, I'm sure if we all work together we can find the root of your hyperemotional state.

I'm all for a demon in pet slot, well not all demons/spirits are powerful evil creature, remember wisps in asunder? they are very weak spirits who can still be summoned and obey what you order them to do, there should be middle ground between them and those powerful demons, something that strong enough to fight with you and tell you few things but still have no will of it's own and still obey you very easily, with the tear open you can expect everything, even a civil war between demons, anyway , having even a desire demon inside bound to small thing like kitty would be awesome too, or having a demon who took enough time with the living to fully understand them and remove the envy that drive them evil at first place will give opportunity to have wise good spirit companion or ally , remember lady of the forest ? if you killed all elves with her she stay in our world till the end of your mission, even attend in Denerim without any trouble, you can meet someone like her .. Elnawawi (talk) 02:54, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

I'm all for a Desire demon companion who is literally a demon corporealized but who shapeshifts into human form to maintain pretense. Even better if she constantly tries to seduce you with promises of power which you can accept for her loyalty or you can deny tactfully with her discovering something akin to humanity and realizing that you have 'seduced' her into true loyalty with the purity of your convictions. Even better if she's flirtatious to both genders but only women can truly bond with her more deeply in a sensual sense.14.201.65.88 (talk) 14:40, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Demon are genderless and such companion could be for Vivienne as companion like Loghain for Loghain or Anders for Sebastian.78.8.136.83 (talk) 14:56, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

It would be interesting idea to see, but it sound like someone mod not Bioware , in fact it remind me of the lethe for whoever played that mod Elnawawi (talk) 02:54, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

It could be a good way to put a more open-ended twist on the game. If you follow a generally constructive path you get someone with connections to spirits or an actual spirit; on a destructive path, you gain a demon or demonic worshipper or whatever. Didn't they say they wanted personal choice to be part of it? --MadHatter121 (talk) 23:54, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

I like the idea. A full demon companion would have to be one of the more advanced types, such as desire or pride, that can actually restrain themselves. And they would of course only stick with the party so long as they could get something out of it. Would make for an interesting companion up until the inevitable backstab, especially seeing how pious and just generally demon-fearing party members may react to it. Like how Alistair was apprehensive about bringing a living stone war machine or an assassin into the group, but times a million. 131.215.35.183 (talk) 04:33, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure about this, it was ok with Justice in DA: Awakening since he was kind to people and the expansion was short enough that he was only accused of being evil by Kristoff's wife, something that a lot of people (and some templars and priests) would see him as, and not give him a chance to explain. If a Demon (probably desire/pride) possessed a dead body, he/she/it (do they technically have genders?) would be...more noticeable, y'know? especially when the game's much longer. I also think negotiating with any religious groups (Chantry, Qunari) with it nearby would only work in Tevinter areas. On the other hand, I imagine it would have fun dialogues with companions (Varric could tell stories of Anders and Justice, seriously, a mess up like that, hilarious to demons) and it would probably offer deals all the time, that could even be how it joins you. I also think it will want Mages to win the war, it's good for demons, although, with the Tear in the Veil, maybe not necessary. Welshman15 (talk) 12:45, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Demons have no gender, even desire demon, it looks like it looks because it's shape is based on sexual desires of humanoid males.78.8.136.83 (talk) 14:19, September 17, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

... and some females ;) -Algol- (talk) 17:30, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

One word: YES! -Algol- (talk) 17:30, September 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sounds like a very interesting idea. But this would have to be done very carefully, both in giving the demon a legitimate reason to stick around, and why your companions would not kill it. This could be great, but it could just as easily be messed up.--Lurooke Surana (talk) 16:47, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

The companions do not need to know it's a demon. Come to think of it, neither does the protagonist, until the right time comes. -Algol- (talk) 17:45, September 18, 2013 (UTC)

Jesus, what's with all the demon hate? Yes most of them are evil. So what? It's a fantasy game, metric tons of things are evil. Frankly at least the demons are just selfish individuals. All a demon wants is to go to the human world by possessing people. Then they kill people for some reason that's never been exactly pinned down. Is it boredom? Are they just naturally inclined to kill? Do they derive pleasure from it? Who cares? But once a demon is destroyed then it's over. Nobody gets mad at you for doing it. The Qunari on the other hand, are a major threat to Thedas because they work together. They are zealots for their cause and will die if it means that the eventual goal of converting everything to the Qun can be accomplished. A demon has no goal except to enjoy itself so far. Maybe when Inquisition comes out they might have some higher goal other than run around and kill, but I have my doubts. To dump a hundred demons in the middle of nowhere would be the same thing as dumping a hundred man eating wolves in the middle of nowhere (except they'd be harder to kill). All a malevolent demon does is indulge. Drop a hundred Qunari in the middle of nowhere and within weeks they would have a stronghold. Within months they would have followers and would begin taking over small towns, becoming stronger all the time. Also why not have a benevolent demon on your team? Justice was probably a great guy before Anders ruined him with his human angst. If something like Justice could take a physical form (due to whole Fade Tear thing) such as a glowing blue knight is shining armor, he could be great to have as a member. Yes, obviously there will be some religious nuts you come across who will immediately attempt to kill him, but hey that's part of the fun. Maybe he could be called Compassion or Honor, who knows. I'd like him to be a clear cut character who always does what he considers to be the right thing, volunteering to stay behind and help the injured in a time of crisis, a sort of polar opposite to all the other demons that just go around killing things.Arkangel37 (talk) 14:40, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

I hate demons for same reasons I hate tapeworms, they are parasites, the former are much insidiuous manipulator and consume soul of their host, when the latter simply eats body of its host.78.8.244.187 (talk) 15:04, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Mind you Arkangel, this^ very person gets butthurt about people loving/hating imaginary things all the time XD -Algol- (talk) 17:34, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

Demon companion or no demon companion I would settle for a complete set of Revenant armor.DeadpoolN7 (talk)

Nothing stops maleficars from putting desire or pride demons in corpses of dead once great warriors. You can have your wish realised.78.8.156.250 (talk) 14:06, September 23, 2013 (UTC)

Ignoring the unhelpful comment posited above, I pose an answer to the comment by Arkangel137. Agreeing with your analysis of demons, fellow user, I propose a scenario that could be posited in an area in Tevinter:

A reformist Magister, rebellious slave or whatever is leading a campaign to save Tevinter from itself (so to speak). His/her accomplice is a spirit summoned through the tear in the Veil. Rather than choose a spirit of valour, justice or faith, s/he chooses a spirit of hope. The other values are important, of course, but Tevinter needs hope far more than either. The circumstances surrounding the Inquisitor make him/her a subject of interest for the spirit. What happens next? I'm open to suggestions! MadHatter121 (talk) 21:10, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

A reformist magister, who became an archot was assassinated and in Tevinter are constant slave rises always crushed. Tevinter was once reduced to one city Minrathous, but it prevailed during Qunari wars. Capital City of the Imperium has the best fortifications and golems called Juggernauts, also that'a a home city of the most powerful magisters. To defeat magisters there is needed a plot to start a civil war between magisters, no matter who wins, the Imperium is weakened and that gives Qunari or Orlais an opportunity, but that's not enough. Military commanders, acolytes and doctors have to be taken down. First thing to do with enemies is destroying their communication and logistic systems.78.8.128.97 (talk) 21:22, September 24, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

~sigh~ Thank you, "StubbornMageSlayer", for that unhelpful, badly-written and entirely irrelevant rant that completely missed my point. I've got no idea what you're trying to say but I was talking about the spirit. It's pretty clear you weren't. --MadHatter121 (talk) 16:11, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Hmm... Interesting situation. The spirit of hope could be a very interesting companion for the Inquisitor, somebody who (I assume) has survived against significant odds more than once. Perhaps the spirit might decide to travel with the Inquisitor out of curiosity for the hope he/she inspires in his/her followers (as the Inquisitor he's/she's most likely going to be a respected commander about two hours into the game). Though to be honest, I think trying to save Tevinter from itself would be extremely difficult. Tevinter always seemed kind of a solid point to me. Only those without power would be interested in changing the social structure and I can't envision any Magister who has been free his entire life agreeing to go to the Circle peacefully. In Tevinter culture, I wouldn't be surprised if the Circle had been demonized, the children being raised to see the Circle as the metaphorical "monster under the bed". I could buy somebody raising an army against them, destroying them (though as the Qunari have proven, that would be incredibly difficult), and then replacing the old government, but I doubt that you could peacefully get them to change their ways, even with the threat of physical force. Many, I assume, would rather die than got to the Circle they had (most likely) been raised to fear their entire life. Though the idea of the hope spirit definitely intrigues me. For some reason I definitely envision the spirit of hope as a woman (forgive me if that's offensive). She would need a name though. Malevolent demons have names so I assume spirits have them as well. Any ideas on that front?Arkangel37 (talk) 22:47, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

Having a Sloth demon around would be really cool! Though I'm not exactly counting on this actually happening, but it would be an interesting experience.--Agent047 (talk) 15:33, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Here's what I see to be an issue with adding any demon save for a Revenant. None of the demons wear any kind of armor really, or clothes for that matter. I personally would get really bored with the character if I couldn't continually change it's armor/appearance. That, in my opinion, was a major design flaw of DA2, that I couldn't customize armor and had to deal with what was given to me(seriously, they couldn't even upgrade the costumes slightly the more amor slots you collected?). Revenants and Abominations could fit the bill because of the fact they actually have some semblance of clothing/armor on. However, since this game is apparently gonna feature heavily with the templar/mage war I see it unlikely that demons will play a role. Personally I'm a huge templar fan so I'd be smiting the heck out of any companion who was a demon...or if they are in any way remotely like anders.DeadpoolN7 (talk)

Well, for starters, Arkangel, spirits define themselves exclusively by their virtue of choice (two spirits who love valor and justice refer to themselves as Valor and Justice) but that's just a minor footnote. Besides, I proposed that little Tevinter scenario because if anyone would be cool with a spirit popping in to help it would be the Tevinters. Anyway, it was also because Inquisition is, in BioWare's own words, about "saving the world from itself". So the idea of a civil war taking place in Tevinter and threatening to tear the country apart is not so unlikely as long as the Inquisitor has the power to affect its outcome.

Other than that, I agree the Tevinters probably spend as much time bad-mouthing the rest of the world as the rest of the world spends bad-mouthing them. Please remember, however, that Tevinter is not as isolated from the world as most Theodosians would like to believe; Tevinter sent soldiers to aid the Grey Wardens during early Blights, and there have been Grey Wardens from Tevinter in the past.

More related to the actual spirit, I don't find it outlandish to give a benevolent spirit a female gender at all. Considering all good spirits up 'til now have been given male voice actors and treated as such, the series might actually be in need of one. Heh. --MadHatter121 (talk) 23:22, September 26, 2013 (UTC)