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WOW JUST WOW how can someone be so arogant and so selfishly blind to not see that they have become the very evil that they have destroy the world just to seal away ( before i continue my rant i feel the need to say that the dlc was a master stroke in fact i'm not ranting about the quality of the dlc but because it was so good it made develope a new kind of hatred for solas ) i mean comon he claim the he hated his fellow enavuris and their slaving way so much that he lead a rebellion against them all the way to breaking world and now that the world as move on and healed he want to break it again just because he want his old world back that's soooo incredibly arogant it leave me speachless ( when i think about the solas we know now two though come to mind : one is of a god/cild who was tired of his toy not working the way he wanted to so he gave it away but now that he miss it he want it back headless to the problem it might cause for the new owner and the second though : i picture a man wearing a blindfold walking toward hell on that road bricked with the best of intantions completly unaware that each time he fix one of his scew up he end up screwing up even more ) as a side note i must say that untill this dlc i was alway more on the side of the mages then the templars i always kind of resented the fact that peoples fear magic so much that they would all but enslave the mages but after seeing a glinps of what the so-called self-proclaimed "gods" of solas's time can do ( i mean turning peoples to stone without even looking ) i'm not so sur that their paranoia is so unjustified now since the beginning of the serie we've though to believe that the tevinter magister were the big irresponsible about magic in the whole DA universe but now it seem like they were mear childrens trying to emulate their elders and lastly i had soft spote about the elves and their millenium long enslavement now ii'm not so sur it's not a well earned fate for past enslavement ( after all i doupt that the enavuris would stop at only enslaving their own kind ) forgive me for the length but i'm done your though and opinion are more then welcome DragonInquisitor (talk) 15:31, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

• Is that all one sentence? Paragraph breaks are your friend :) As to what Solas plans to do, remember that his name means "pride." He has no less arrogance than Corypheus, in his own way. He seems to think that he needs to walk back his former decision to seal the Veil, since so much damage was done to his people since then. The worst part is, he might be right. The best villains are the ones who are convinced they're right. Luper567 (talk)

Well the reasoning "If I just destroy the world two times it might work as I wanted it to the third time" is rather flawed wouldn't you say and he has shown a rather callous streak towards the idea of killing everyone to achieve this. He has in fact shown himself rather similar to Corypheous in how he decides that he wants to return the world to its "golden age" of his time where he can make it all perfect and if people are going to die then let them. He has clearly been established as a future villain but if Bioware countinues to do this right he might become one of their best written villains. Caspoi (talk) 17:36, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

The difference between Solas and Corypheous is that Corypheous just heard about the fall of Tevinter and the fall that happened, he wasn't there to see the fall. With Solas however he tried to say his people from misery, and more importantly this is a mistake that Solas committed himself, he's not trying to kill the world he's just trying to undo a mistake he himself alrelady made. User:JoKr

Nonetheless Both of them want to return the world to how it was when they left it, and Solas does want to destroy the world, even if it is to undo his own mistake (does not make it any better). Caspoi (talk) 18:22, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Solas is worse than Corypheous he saw first hand the chaos and mayhem the breach caused yet is willing to do it himself just to try to bring back a dying race. He says people are just peons and their fate is regrettable its ridiculous but also a little awesome. Makes me question everything he opposed in a playthrough such as Grey wardens and the Qun ironic thing is that at the end of the DLC I actually wanted the qunari to kill solas. Thus saving it from yet another world ending scenario. Kyz99 (talk) 17:49, September 10, 2015 (UTC)Kyz99

I had initially thought it was weird DA would have a villain so cliche evil. But he's not. Theres layers there... As Solas mentioned, when he awoke to the new world it was like walking through a sea of Tranquil. He broke the world and because of his actions he can't even see these current elves as his own people, anymore then a mage can view a Tranquil as a mage. He obviously feels sad for what he "must" do, so he's not totally evil. This is kinda why I chose the dialog options "Don't make me kill you" and "If i live, I'm going to stop you" I really liked the dynamic of 2 people who respect each other, forced to play out their respective roles. The Dread wolf will continue his plan to Ragnarok Thedas, and the Inquisition will work to stop him. Honestly it makes me a bit giddy, its like watching the movie "Heat". Solas wanting to return to a time where elves were immortal and spells could take years to cast honestly sounds a bit like a paradise, who wouldnt want to return to their "golden age" as Caspoi put it. Warden Mage: Ferris (talk) 17:59, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Solas' intentions are undoubtedly bad, from a non-Elvish perspective of course. However, I agree with Ferris; he's not a cliched villain at all; if he truly ends up being the antagonist in the future, which seems all but inevitable now, he'll be a welcomed break from the other villains we have had in the series. He has a certain love for his people that is just purely unmatched; he knows he has done some messed up shit as a consequence of his attempts to make things better, but the main thing is, he recognises how bad his intentions are. He recognises the severity of the situation, yet believes it is the only option. The best villains are those who think what they're doing is ultimately for the greater good, but BW could really take Solas one step further. I think he might end up regretting his actions eventually, but it'll be all but too late. I think Solas might be an antagonist, but one who'll eventually play a key role in actually restoring/reversing whatever occurs. But the DLC really made me sympathise with him. He's been alive for who knows how long, he's witnessed the fall of his own kind; the world must have been alien to him once he awoke, his people are being segregated, scapegoated and persecuted and he has had a hand in that. Just imagine that. How depressed would you be? I'm surprised he can bare to live with himself, but the pure goal of helping them keeps him going. He has a goal that he'll do his all to achieve. What Solas wants is unjustifiable by all means nevertheless and it kinda makes him look hypocritical, but can you blame him? I think the plot surrounding that makes it seem like a really "end of times" sort of thing, so I could see Thedas being devastated by an event before this, allowing the Elves to capitalise on the destruction.

It's really easy to see him as some selfish, apathetic (towards non-Elves) maniac, and that's one way of looking at it, but if anyone is truly mentally hurt by the prospect of the consequences of the plans to restore the Elves of old, it's Solas, especially a Solas that truly learnt that humans can be kind, compassionate and intelligent. It's super easy to see him as this evil villain who's hellbent on destruction, but he knows the tragedy that'll occur for innocent non-Elves. If anything, he's still probably really apprehensive of his own actions--trying to find other solutions-- yet falls back and realises it's the only way. Truly, if there were another option that was just slightly less worse than his current plan, he'd surely opt for it. 18:53, September 10, 2015 (UTC)

Sorry Jokr I have to point out Solas wasn't there to see the suffering of his people after he created the veil he spent most of the intervening time asleep, only awakening in 9:40 dragon greatly diminishedUser:Shield-Hound/Sig

I kinda think Solas is a particularly clichéd villain actually, especially in light of the fact that he is a near carbon copy of Corypheus. Morrigan's ending narration echoes in my mind when I think of Solas and his intentions. Solas, like Corypheus, did something terrible in the distant past and the entire world now pays the price for it. Solas, like Corypheus, has just awoken from a long slumber and finds the world not as it was in his time ("a time of smoke and shadow" as Morrigan eloquently put it) and seeks to return to it, which in turn, will put his greatly diminished people and nation back on top. Solas, like Corypheus as well, has a problem with religion/gods though their two relationships and motivations therin in relation are very different.

While I think Solas is a much more dynamic villain than Coryhpeus and has better motivations, he is no less clichéd or original and while Solas does not aspire to godhood, he has a very similar background and eerily similar motivations to Corypheus. HOWEVER! I do think there is something to be said that Solas is not so monolithic as Corypheus (who is essentially just a place holder, stock villain) and I keep going back to his name meaning "Pride" in my mind. Solas has made 3 attempts to change the course of history for the better and they have all miserably failed and always come short or completely undo his intended goal. Repetition being the definition of insanity I think it would be a very cool plotpoint in the next game to talk Solas off the ledge and show him that he's being a reactionary, prideful and arrogant little S%&$ and get to tell him that no matter what, things can't go back to the way they were. --Peranakan (talk) 03:26, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Magic and shadow actually. Caspoi (talk) 07:33, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Personally I’m tired of these villains, while I have enjoyed each one in the Dragon age series to some extent, I’d really like to see a good old fashion evil villain. Kind of like the Joker in Dark Knight, who just wanted to watch the world burn.

Now you could be thinking how each villain in the DA series not been evil personified? I think Corypheus was as close as Bioware ever got to this concept, if you read some of his backstory, you find out at some point in time he was not a bad person, just desperate. Loghain the first villain we came to know in the series, pretty much the same. Every wrong thing he did was for his country, not because he was some power mad dictator. Same thing with Meredith, she didn’t hate mages, she did all those terrible things because she thought it was the right thing to do. Now were getting a repeat with Solas.

If he is the next main villain the dynamic of what he was and his connection to the Inquisitor, (even though I highly doubt the Inquisitor will be the hero in DA4.) Well make the story more interesting, I still want a truly evil villain that’s not doing it for some better purpose, but simply to destroy. In fact, I’m hoping the next villains for this will be these evil elven gods, who knows maybe will find out more about the Black City and that is my big hope.--73.222.157.253 (talk) 08:57, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

The Archdemon was evil, Corypheous was as close to true evil as you can get and still retain your humanity. They are hardly what you would call good men fighting a bad cause, in fact how often do you meet that kind of chaotic evil, Dragon Age has already filled up any realistic quota of truly evil people, and a villain becomes so much better and well written if you can understand and symphatise with their cause. Caspoi (talk) 09:39, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

The possibility and likelihood of Solas becoming a villain in the next game is, well, incredible. He's a man out of his own time who created the new world which he hates. He wants to right his wrongs and return his people to their true selves. Immortal and magical. But he simply ignores the fact that the reason he created the veil was because of the evanuris and their evil. He's blind to believe that recreating elvenhan will go any differently. Either he will become that which he hates most, or another will rise to that position. Like the Evanuris rose to their position. What he has done is provoke a war, his followers against the world. And the generals in that war will ultimately become the new gods of the new elvenhan. Unless he intends to become the new god of the elvenhan, and guide the people into a new era where they aren't as bad as they were before. Which would still mean he would become what he hates.

He seriously can't see the flaw in that, which is great. Because it means we'll probably get to do something about it. But the fact that I can emphasise with Solas so much is great, and reminds me of Loghain, who was undoubtly the best written antagonist of the series aside from Trespasser. So, I can see great things on the horizon, as long as they don't change Solas into a Corypheus like character who takes pleasure in the chaos he brings. Choosing what to do with him will be very hard for me indeed. On the one hand he wants to destroy everything to rebirth a "better" world, in his eyes anyway. On the other hand, he is righting a wrong he committed, which had he never committed, would have meant the Thedas we know would have never existed. It's hard to argue against the man who is essentially the creator of modern Thedas. Oh shit. Solas is essentially the Maker.... 12:20, September 11, 2015 (UTC)