Category talk:Dragon Age: Inquisition texts

Move

  Not sure if "notes" would be the proper term for this category, as it also includes such things as Landmarks and Samsen's short story. Perhaps moving the notes into their own separate category would be a better alternative. --♫ Kelcat ^Talk 06:31, June 3, 2015 (UTC)

Agree with kelcat, they're not all notes. I think texts lets us cover a broader array of items without trying to cram too much into one category -HD3 ^(Talk) 13:53, July 15, 2015 (UTC)

Veilfire glyphs

This shall become a collection of all those notes only readable in veilfire – to see, how much of them exist and if a separate category or listing would make sense. I place my signature here, the list will follow then; updates will not include a new sig (I hope, this is okay). -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 12:32, July 19, 2017 (UTC)

1. Note: Ancient Writing
2. Note: An Apostate's Message

Inquisition Notes format discussion

I think we should create a universal format for Inquisition notes, in order to simplify the process.

My suggestion is to treat the notes as codex entries (quick example). At the top we have the "See also" (optional). Afterwards the paragraph is named "Codex text" in this case it would be "Note text". After the note text we should have optional paragraphs: "Acquisition" typically needed when the listed location found inside the Template:NoteTransformer is not explanatory enough, then "Trivia", and finally "See also".

As it is the case with Codex entries, no screenshots of the ingame text of the notes should be added ("Gallery" paragraph). It serves no purpose since you have already extracted the content of the screenshot. A respectable number of them has been added around the wiki and it should be removed. 12:15, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

In general – fine by me! (Though I might have not the time at the moment to help a lot. "Guten Tag" – )

That formatting basically would eliminate the introductory text, I placed in most notes I have done until now. That's something, where codex entries do deviate from the general layout of pages. As there for now are no plans to transform the notes, as it is done with many codex entries, might it be okay to keep that section? Of course acquisition content can be moved to its own section.

About that screenshot-gallery thing: I only tried to find a continuation of what I found on many, many pages that dealt with notes – many contributors have upped many screenshots of those notes, and added them to many articles (locations, quests). I simply didn't want to remove all their work.

And their purpose as "proof" for the correctness of the note: well, you can always look after that specific codex entry in your codex in-game – but these notes are gone after the message pop-up, and aren't comprehensible anymore. Do the screenshots hurt? -- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 12:39, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

Frankly I think we should treat Inquisition's notes in the same manner as Codex: Notes of Origins, they just don't have the word "Codex entry:" in front of them. So what happens in codex entries should happen to notes. If one gets an introduction then so does the other.

As for the screenshots. I think it started this way, before people created independent pages for the notes. Now they have no use, frankly when I first read them I was confused I thought there was something new I could read in those. Also repeating the same text over with an image is reduntant, don't you agree? 13:23, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

"Go!" for the first topic.

How about placing the screenshots as IB image?

It's been a lot of work, cleaning all those images up, giving them a pure black background, and such … But it still would require a lot more of work to do the same for all the remaining notes.

Perhaps somebody else has additional thoughts on this?

-- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 13:42, November 21, 2017 (UTC)

I have discussed the subject with Comple in the chat too. But more opinions are definitely needed before we write down a solidified policy. 14:21, November 27, 2017 (UTC)

In chat you said something like that this was up to us, and no one else would care …

To summarize:

• No images anymore
• Page structure similarly to codex entries
• Possibly adjustments to {{NoteTransformer}}, to integrate more sections (related, see, trivia, etc.) into the infobox/transformer

If there are no different opinions for … say, until christmas, we will establish this as guideline, perhaps adding a note to appropriate ones.

Though I have to repeat that at the moment I do not have much, if any, time to care about the project.

One open question: as the note itself, its image wouldn't really fit as an infobox image – do we leave that empty in any case (and remove the field from the template) or do we allow a picture of the exact location of the note, where it's to be found?

-- -- You talkin' to me? -- cCContributions -- 10:34, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

P.S. Please don't call me "Comple", Vikt … Either use the full name (and I prefer a lower case initial letter) or for short "cCC".

Actually people call me Vik and I am pretty fine with it Anyway, cↄC, here is my opinion about the point you raised regarding the infobox image:

An item page shows the item in question and a codex entry shows an image of the related subject (eg. Andraste), a quest page shows a scene from the quest. In our case we should follow this guideline too, so I believe this note for example should have the picture of the bronto trophy in Winter Palace. If there isn't an appropriate picture which will be frequent considering many notes are too trivial and vague, we should show nothing. 14:34, November 28, 2017 (UTC)

I was asked to weigh in on this discussion; honestly I don't have much of an opinion about notes, but I agree there should be some sort of standardization. What you guys have listed here looks fine to me. ♫ Kelcat ^Talk 21:46, November 29, 2017 (UTC)

2 and a half years later, we haven't really decided how to handle notes? henioo ^{(da talk page)} 00:15, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Part of this discussion stems from the note images added to Freemen Orders, Red Templar Note and Red Templar Orders; see Talk:Freemen Orders for further details. As far as the image of the notes: hud vs no hud, I feel the wiki should keep the format intact, the person reading/ viewing the note should see the note the same way that they are found/ viewed in the game. --Zj24 (talk) 01:52, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

Are we able to make a final decision as to how note text images should be captured: see Freemen Orders for note texts captured without a hud; see Red Templar Note for note texts captured with a hud. From an editor's perspective leaving the note intact allows for the note text's image to be the same size on any page that they are added to; it allows for the the page to have a sense of convection allowing for a cleaner look for any reader visiting the page. From a player's point of view I would prefer to see the image the way it is found in the game. If the note text's image is cropped, it may seem (to a casual player) as if info has been omitted or deleted intentionally. --Zj24 (talk) 18:49, August 20, 2020 (UTC))

I vote to keep the image intact with a hud --Zj24 (talk) 18:49, August 20, 2020 (UTC))

Either images or (accurate!) transcriptions of the notes is fine with me. I think the best way to refer to/describe them is something like 'Non-Codex Texts', rather than 'Notes'.  Also, for consistancy, should non-codex texts from the other games in the series (things like Wanted List from DAA) be rolled into whatever the new format is? ~ theskymoves (talk) 12:41, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

The decision to label all the various notes as: "note texts" was agreed on sometime back in 2016. I don't really think changing the name or restructuring all the notes to 'non-codex texts' really will make that much of a substantial difference. As far as the other games are concerned I'm not sure how the wiki plans to move forward with similar texts. As for the current discussion as to finalizing a consensus as to whether the hud should or shouldn't be kept in tact. I prefer we do keep all texts completely as is, without cropping the image... allowing for a player to view the note the exact same way it would be viewed in the game. --Zj24 (talk) 23:30, September 2, 2020 (UTC)

I vote to use images with a hud, for the reasons Zj24 outlined above. --Evamitchelle (talk) 12:14, September 6, 2020 (UTC)

We have decided what to do, I am not sure why you state that we didn't. 11:59, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

i don't see the consensus. What is it, then? Because it looks like there are just some comments, and no actual consensus. henioo ^{(da talk page)} 16:19, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

I would love to know what the consensus was as and the link stating it; seems that there are several editors here that would like to have this topic concluded. --Zj24 (talk) 17:09, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

Revisited

Hello all, please consider this topic in general reopened, as several new stakeholders have arrived with differing arguments since 2017. Discuss amongst yourselves & please try your best to reach consensus here in this fresh section, further action regarding this subject should halt until there's been proper time for discussion & everyone to weigh in.
Ursuul (Talk | Admin)Date5:35 PM Monday, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

I think we should have notes written down like codex entries, with the exception that we don't create a page for every single note - it needs to have value and bring something to the table. We could include a screenshot of the note in the gallery, but I'm not too bothered if we don't have a picture at all. And if we do have a picture, we should follow DA:IMAGE and not include any HUD elements. henioo ^{(da talk page)} 20:11, September 14, 2020 (UTC)

Hinterlands and Valammar =

For some reason a strange glitch happened. At least I think it's a glitch. Hinterlands and Valammar are both in this category, but when you try to edit them out, it doesn't show up in categories. Thoughts? henioo ^{(da talk page)} 00:15, August 20, 2020 (UTC)

I found the issue and corrected it. --Zj24 (talk) 09:12, August 20, 2020 (UTC)