^^It's a bit more than a theory at this point. Given Cole's comment and the fact that he is a "natural" Reaver, Iron Bull at least appears to have some dragon-ness in his makeup. The question is really whether or not that Iron Bull is unique in that respect. I find that very unlikely. Iron Bull is not the only qunari with natural Reaver abilities.
^"Nope the Ideal version of the Qun isn't what we're seeing I can say that at least."
This is true. And thank the Maker for that. Their ideal version would be horrific.
"Because you just have to look at every last religion to ever exist histories."
You are assuming that I think that religion is either innately benevolent or at least benign. I do not. But we definitely should not get into that here.
"Concepts can't be evil."
Sure they can.
"Evil is harming something else."
Evil is whatever is bad for society/humanity/the planet/the universe. Harm is often a factor in that, but it's not the only factor.
"But I don't believe the story's focus was only on the swarm the main gist of the tale was...That everything in existence is connected and has a role to fulfill for the benefit of all."
Even if that's the case, that's still incredibly disturbing. Nothing has an innate "role". There's no greater purpose for anything in existence. Purpose comes from individuality. Using it to destroy individuality is both evil and counter-productive. The Qunari do not see this because, like most religions, they assume that existence has some predetermined order, when it does not.
"That isn't in it of itself an evil idea."
It's an innately evil idea because it is completely wrong. And because it is wrong, following through on that idea would be terrible for society/humanity/the planet/the universe. Or to use your criteria, it will cause a lot of harm. There's no way to avoid this; even if the concept is enacted perfectly, it will result in massive harm. In fact, enacting it perfectly would cause more harm than enacting it imperfectly.
Ideally, bring all of the past specializations back, and add some new ones. But we're probably only going to get three per class, because that's what we got in DA 2 and Inquisition. So...
Mage: Arcane Warrior, Blood mage, & Spirit Healer
Rogue: Duelist, Legionnaire Scout, & Ranger
Warrior: Berserker, Champion, & Reaver
Harrowmont is only the inferior option if your criteria is what's best for the dwarves. There are plenty of other reasons why a given Warden would pick him over Bhelen.
We have not seen their philosophy enacted outside of the Qunari. Rather than assuming that the Qunari have corrupted Koslun's teachings, I assume that they are following them to the letter, and that those teachings are themselves simply evil.
Besides, what we do have of his teachings is hardly encouraging. He complements a plague of locusts on its extreme order and efficiency. That's his model for an ideal society: one in which the individual is destroyed in the name of efficiency. And destruction of the individual even as a concept is evil.
"Wouldn't "Fun Time" with the Tamassrans be considered time off"
No. The Qunari would see that has a matter of hygiene or physical maintenance, like eating or bathing.
To paraphrase EDI: The Geth achieve consensus. The Qunari consume it.
"Just because you don't agree with them does not make them "evil"."
True. I disagree with them because they are evil.
"anybody can rise through the ranks regardless of race"
There's no evidence that this is the case. So far, we've only seen a couple of elves that belong to the Ben-Hassrath. We don't know what it's like in Par Vollen. And while it is true that the Qunari find value in all races, they see themselves as innately superior.
"you work at what you are good at"
You've got that backwards. The Qunari are bred and raised for a given role. Nobody is allowed the choose their role based on their desires or talents. Instead, they shape people desires and talents into whatever role they decide that individual is best suited for.
"and you have the beautiful Tamassrans to "relieve" you"
That's no reason to like them. Every other culture has prostitutes too.
"In regards to freedom, you are free in Qunari society"
This is demonstrably false. Even the Qunari themselves would say that they are not free. The Qunari see no value in freedom. The Arishok actually appears to actively despise it.
"but do you prefer nobility? or slavery?"
Nobility, yes. The Qunari are enslaved. All of them, even their leaders. That's why I hate the Qun so much.
"The Qunari are free to make friends, they have time off"
There's no evidence that they get "time off" other than to sleep or eat.
As for friendship, Sten doesn't seem to know what that is. The Qunari have no concept of friendship. How could they? Friendship is about the relationship between two individuals, and the Qunari reject the concept of individuals.
Iron Bull was only able to develop friendships because he spent so much time interacting with other cultures. Hell, friendship is what possibly causes him to finally leave the Qun!
"and many people are MUCH better under the Qun that they were before"
According to what? Qunari propaganda? We've yet to actually see what life under the Qun is like. So far, we've only encountered soldiers and spies.
Besides, it doesn't really matter if life under the Qun is better for some people. I'm sure slavery is better for some people (the slave masters, people who are homeless and starving). That doesn't mean that slavery isn't completely immoral.
"Calling the Qunari "evil" does not make sense to me."
Because apparently you don't understand that much about them.
"If you are chosen to be a farmer but show that you would be a much better soldier they would make you a soldier, you just have to show how capable you are."
And how exactly is a farmer supposed to show that? By farming?
"Both the Geth and Borg are a collective, none of them has any individuality"
This is exactly what the Qunari are.
"Every Qunari has their own friends, allies and even goals."
No, possibly, and technically yes. As I said above, most Qunari don't even know what friends are. They can have allies. They technically can have goals. It's just that they all have exactly the same goal: obey the Qun.
"They each have their own name even though they don't use them."
They don't have names. They have job titles. What you are referring to as "names" is more like a serial number. And only the Tamassrans use those.
"Comparing the Qunari to some droids could not be further from the truth."
Depends on the droid. I agree that the Geth comparison isn't exactly fair. But the Borg comparison totally is. Gaider is the one who made it. He invented the Qunari, he knows what they are truly like far better than you or me.
"If you are a soldier it's because you are good at being a soldier."
Again, you have it backwards. Qunari soldiers are good at being soldiers because they are soldiers. Qunari are bred for spefic goals. There's no way for a farmer to become a solider based on his own desires. That would only happen if the Tamassrans decided that that farmer would make a better soldier. The farmer himself has no say.
"If you are a farmer and you want to be a soldier then train your a** off during your time off, yes they get time off."
There's zero evidence of them getting time off. You're just assuming they do because other societies give people time off. The Qunari are all enslaved. Slaves don't get time off.
^^An assumption?! Cole literally says "they're". Look at the dialogue I quoted. He uses the word they're. He does not say "look like".
^^What Asheluned said. There are RP reasons to pick either one. Being a Noob or "Pro Gamer" (What does this mean, really? Certainly not literally a pro gamer - no e-sports involve Origins) has nothing to do with it.
The Qun is the single most vile, thoroughly evil philosophy I've encountered in any fiction. Joining with the Qun would be no better than joining the darkspawn.
As far as allying with them goes, that depends on the particular situation. Allying with them against Solas? Sure, whatever it takes to stop him. Allying with them against Tevinter? No. Tevinter is the lesser of those two evils, by far. Allying with against Orlais? See the previous sentence. Allying with them against (pick a Dragon Age group other than darkspawn)? See the previous two sentences.
Gaider described them as "militant Islamic Borg" - a stupid thing to say, since that caused everyone to focus on the Islamic part and ignore the borg part. The Muslim influences on the Qun are purely aesctic. Gaider wanted to give the grey giants' culture a near east sheen. He succeeded in that, but that doesn't mean that the Qun shares even one iota of it's essence with anything Muslim.
Anyway, the important term in that phrase is Borg. The Qunari are like the Borg. Or to bring it back to Bioware, the Reapers. They just don't kill their victims before turning them into husks.
Then why did you use the Origins tag?
If you have the DLC installed, it should be in the chest in Gamlen's house or Hawke's estate. If it's not there, and reloading doesn't work, try reinstalling the DLC.
^Colas? You mean Cole? Not Solas, right?
Cole does say that they are dragon horns. This a direct quote:
"Cole: I like your horns, The Iron Bull.
Cole: But they're dragon horns, not bull horns. You could have named yourself The Iron Dragon."
He doesn't say anything about them looking like dragon horns. He literally says they are dragon horns, via the contraction they're.
You mean the blood dragon armor? There are some bugs for that for the dwarven origins, see: https://dragonage.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Dragon_armor_set_(Origins)#Exploits_and_Bugs
^And all the other killing he does. And the bribery, coercion, blackmail, fraud...
Bhelen is pretty clearly evil. Whether or not he's the best choice for Orzammar is a seperate issue.
^In the Fade, Solas's fear gravestone says his greatest fear is dying alone. It seems like Solas is afraid of being the last of his kind. The Inquisitor has nothing to do with that.
^Not everything in Tevinter Nights is canon for all worldstates. The books and comics are Bioware's canon, and what happens in them isn't necessarily applicable to player canons.
Leliana doesn't actually get resurrected, a spirit takes her place. Wynne was technically already dead before the Warden met her. It would hardly be a miracle for the spirit to revive her again. Annoying, yes, but not a miracle.
Only Oghren is miraculously resurrected. I can forgive that because you basically have to go out of your way to get low enough approval from him to trigger the fight. I've never been able to do it without using those Feastday prank gifts.
Resurrecting Velanna would be something else entirely. It's not at all hard to kill her. It would be like resurrecting Zevran or Shale or Nathaniel or Sigrun or Bethany/Carver or Fenris or Merrill or Iron Bull. Let dead characters rest, especially if the PC killed them.
^^That seems like an awfully selfish reason to oppose immortality for everyone. The guy doesn't have the guts to kill himself, so instead he's going to deny all other elves immortality just because he doesn't want it?
It's one thing to want to stop Solas because you think he will wreck the world. But trying to stop him simply because his goals will inconvenience you is doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.