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@FlamesOfChaos13 you're mixing up Kordillus Drakon 1st with his son Kordillus Drakon 2nd. After all Kordillus Drakon 1st was close friends with Inquisitor Ameridan he had no intention of turning around subjugating The Dales, but of course Kordillus Drakon 1st dies in the middle of the second blight and his son Kordillus Drakon 2nd rises to the throne. one of Kordillus Drakon 2nd, last acts as Emperor was aiding the Divine in subjugating The Dales
@Mrhawkprime I never confused the two. My comment clearly states Drakon I sentiments and why he WOULDN'T seek to conquer the Dales or try to forcefully convert them.
I think Drakon was more concerned in uniting the tribes that would make up Orlaisian culture later on then taking on a powerful nation. I personally think he was willing to work with the Dales as allies while dealing with other problems.
I'm not sure.
On the one hand, I doubt the Chantry was upset about the whole race of new converts, and I doubt Orlais was upset to suddenly find themselves the owner of the Dales.
On the other hand, it took some doing to get the war started. Kordillius II and the Divine could have tried to use the Dales refusing to convert to Andrastianism as a casus belli. And it would probably have been enough: anyone Orlais or the Chantry could have needed to justify this war to would probably have been Andrastian. Even the Grey Wardens had converted by this point.
And speaking of the Grey Wardens: the Dales had refused to help fight the Second Blight. If Orlais and the Chantry had tried to use that as a cassus belli, who could blame them?
But instead, Orlais and the Chantry put up with the Dales refusing to allow Chantry missionaries into their realm, and the war didn't start until an Emerald Knight murdered an innocent woman and the rest of the Dalish army destroyed Red Crossing. They had two pretexts that might have worked before that had happened, so if they'd wanted war, why didn't they declare one sooner?
@Riverdaleswhiteflash Yeah that's my thoughts as well. If they wanted to destroy/conquer them they could of done it sooner than the events at Red Crossing. Instead it seems like they were constantly being provoked by the Elves until a massacre forced them to reply with force.
Yes, and I believe the destruction of Orlesian Empire by Second Blight is their only chance of survival.
No evidence of that mere speculation.
During the war?
Obviously as ideally hostile and attacking entity will be permanently destroyed to not pose further threat in the future.
As there is no evidence for one or another it's uncertain.
The problem with the idea is that we know for a fact that the founder of both was an ally and friend of the dales and likely had no plans to take it over. Now there could have been a faction that wanted to do so sure but even when looking through the cause and who was leading the attack it seems to be more of a case of miscommunication and coincidence rather then Intent
^ Was he? The only thing we know is the claim that Ameridan was Drakon's friend (nothing with "Drakon being a friend of the Dales").
A pretty odd situation playing to the confirmatión bias of either side. Quite a lot of guys here go by "they were friends, so Orlais could only be nice to them" while I tend to ask "how did they become friends in the first place, given Drakon's lack of acceptance of different religious views?" (and Ameridan being pretty much a heretic by Drakon's usual standards, combining "holy Andraste" with "false heathen shit" on one altar)
<<But instead, Orlais and the Chantry put up with the Dales refusing to allow Chantry missionaries into their realm>>
Oooooh, the poor aggressive preachers.... Sorry, could not resist.
You forgot that the same codex also claimes that the Chantry followed up with templars, i.e. armed military. Besides, the elves tried to piece together what little they could keep over how many years of Tevinter-based slavery. Then a bunch of aggressive preachers showed up on their doors, intent on pushing something else on them again. Given the usual Chantry rhetoric of "we good/true, rest shit", I honestly cannot blame the elves for not wanting them.
Turning the situation around, elven preachers would also have been shown the door in Orlais rather quickly.
The Chantry and Orlais are inextricably intertwined ever since Drakon bent the knee to swear himself and his nation as a bastion of Andrastian faith. The Chantry certainly would not have approved of anyone or anyplace that rejected their 'Holy Word', and until Celene, Orlais has always been expansionist. Drakon's friendship with Ameridan is likely the *only* thing that kept Orlais from annexing the Dales sooner.
No skilled politician relies on chance or coincidence. As for the darkspawn invasion and the elves' inactivity, it would have been simplicity itself for no message to have been sent to an Orlesian liaison or for that ambassador to simply "forget" to pass it on at an appropriate time. Even if there was no Orlesian contact within the allied Dales, it would have been easier still for some enterprising Orlesian general/priest to 'forget' to send for aid from 'the heathens', or for the message to 'go astray'. Both the Blight and the Red Crossing incident were very easy for either the Chantry or Orlais to spin in their favor to start a 'legitimate' March - especially if there had been some 'unfortunate rumors' seeded beforehand to unite the populace to 'the righteous cause'. The Dales was an inconvenient nation but a very useful testament. The Chantry gets to demonstrate that no place or people is denied to them, and Orlais gets a tidy chunk of real estate in which to expand.
What do you think?