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@CaiusGermanicus Because the Circles are the only places where there are mages in Southern Thedas, so yeah, it's limited to Circles.
You're right, however, there is no need for a declared right to fight against corruption to protect people. There was here, though, so that the templars had a form of accountability. They had to obtain permission beforehand. That's more than those other circumstances where it can simply be justified after the fact.
The problem is the structure of the situation in general. Templars shouldn't be the Mages jailers.
@FlamesOfChaos13 They had no way of knowing. The player is always implied to be infinitely more skilled than NPCs. You clear an entire tower of demons and abominations when the Templars couldn't have without a great deal of reinforcements.
They also had no way of knowing who was possessed or being mind-controlled by blood magic. That's what makes Blood Mages so insidious. It's like what happened in Old Crestwood: who's been infected? How do you know? Do you let someone go and then accept the consequences when they spread corruption or kill? In this case, how do you PROVE who's guilty? All they have to do is claim they're not. Jowan was ostensibly innocent...until he did blood magic in front of you. How do you know who is and isn't a thrall? Or possessed? THAT'S why they kill everyone. It's not pretty and it's not what *I* would do but I can understand the rationale.
@Zehnwaters16 Wilhelm (Shale's Owner), The Mages Collective, Apostates like Morrigan and Flemeth, Dalish Keepers, Tal-Vashoth Mercenary Mages, Vivienne leaving the Circle constantly. Southern Mages are NOT only in Circles!
@CaiusGermanicus Mostly just emptied and quarantined, though I'd understand it if people felt it justified to annul the whole city; there was certainly enough corruption.
Even if this "right" doesn't exist, the templars should be accountable, if they destroy the Circle... The RoA is about the can have this right.
Not just in the Circle. We saw accidents etc. outside as well.
The RoA assumed, the evacuation isn't even an option (yes, mages are dangerous but STILL).
If this happens in a village, there's no declared right to burning it to the ground, (almost) everyone would choose the evacuation at first – when the demons can possess non-mages as well. And this is the right choice. Even if risky.
Yes, Templars shouldn't be jailers, and the Circles shouldn't be a prison.
@Zehnwaters16 "The player is always implied to be infinitely more skilled than NPCs." That's an excuse. They had a way of knowing DO their fucking jobs and fight in there. The majority of the survivors weren't even far away or deep into enemy territory!
The Templars didn't even TRY they ran at the sight of the Abominations instead of doing their job fighting back like they should. The Kinloch Hold Templars were Cowardly and Weak. Their ineffectiveness is also partly WHY the Circle fell they couldn't figure out Uldred or stop his Cult!
You can easily tell who's Possessed, What's an Abomination and What's a Demon. They're literally TRAINED to figure it out too!
All I'm seeing so far is excuses for their failure. Not any form of justification for their actions.
Old Crestwood the Mayor TOLD us the Majority or ALL of the Villagers had the Blight Sickness. Because once again you CAN tell who's sick and who's not it's a physical ailment you can witness. The Mayor didn't lie but he also still committed murder the course of action for a plague is quarantine letting the people die in their homes at worst. NOT drowning them all alive. But given I understand why he did what he did I gave him to the Wardens to find some measure of redemption (Given he'd already suffered with guilt for so long).
Anyway they're NOT parallel events. The Blight and Demons don't work the same similar but not the same.
How do you prove anyone is guilty? You find fucking evidence if they're a Blood Mage then evidence they studied Blood Magic or used it. Same for any crime. If you CAN'T prove anything you let them go as you would any suspect. They deserve the same rights as anyone else when it comes to justice. They're NOT guilty just for being in proximity or being a magic user! If they're still suspected of foul play WATCH them closely you know the job Seekers and Templars are SUPPOSE to do! Restrict them to the confines of the Tower which is already seemingly the rule. Move them to another Tower if they can't be trusted in the current one.
Also anyone remember there's a Mage Prison named Aeonar somewhere in Ferelden? Where in said prison they can find out who's a Blood Mage or communicating with Demons.
There's so many options besides Mass Murdering every SINGLE person in a Tower including CHILDREN!
The Right of Annulment is Inherently Evil because it REFUSES to acknowledge even the possibility of Innocence or Trial! That IS Immoral. It should NOT be a Law.
That's hardly insanity, given the stakes. Should for an example demon survive and this time succeed in escaping circle wrecking chaos in the world, let alone army of abominations descending upon Thedas, a mere single child abomination wiped out a castle and a village while they were creating army of undead.
It doesn't all that matter whether mage is a child or elderly that doesn't make them non-threats. So notion that templars just should take such tremendous risk is just inane, mages can be even world threats. Priority of circle isn't to protect mages, priority of circle is to protect world from mages, obviously templars shouldn't sacrifice the world or nations for few mages (that would die anyways).
@MaxCaulfield I shall try to prevent the Massacre of Innocents by getting this Massacring Innocents Myself! WOW sound logic that's completely rational and in no way corrupt!
It does fucking matter if they're a Non-Combatant or Child! To say otherwise is immoral. The Majority of Mage children don't know how to kill someone with magic or summon a Demon in order to be a threat! Connor was a separate unique matter and the blame for that lies on Jowan and Isolde so don't even go there.
You're advocating for the death of innocents when you advocate for the Right of Annulment. Nothing is going to change my mind about this either. So I agree to disagree.
<<Survival ISN'T a legal right it's just human nature. The government can't protect you from everything that threatens your existence or everything that makes you scared. It's literally impossible.>>
Hah, that's actually why I cannot quite get all the harping about "safety this, safety that, else DOOM!!!" in case of mage discussions.
But here we have Max, calling people dumb for not agreeing with their apparent obsession with safety. If I deciphered their rant right, that is.
<<The Right of Annulment is Inherently Evil because it REFUSES to acknowledge even the possibility of Innocence or Trial! That IS Immoral. It should NOT be a Law.>>
Well roared, lion. :P (Yes, some of the likes on your recent post are from me.)
And that's why I tend to go by M.L.K, jr.'s statements about unjust laws.
Also, on a less serious note... anyone remember that one helmeted templar shaking his bucket-helmeted head as Kinloch Hold's inner doors close behind Warden & party? Arrogant P.O.S. Now how I come to my dislike of their much-vaunted order...
@Buckeldemon We finally agree on something. Is it Opposite Day? Anyways yeah this is something I just can't see from a grey or neutral point of view.