@7kgcat The Viddasala and her forces went rogue. The Iron Bull went rogue. Every single Tal-Vashoth/Vashoth in existence went rogue. The Antaam have started to invade Tevinter without the permission of the Qun as a whole. So in fact yes there's division in ideals within the Qun/Qunari itself/themselves...Where that will lead is anyone's guess.

@MrCrazyFace 666 "would it really be so bad to be given a secure position in the army or as a merchant or farmer?"

Yes absolutely to me if you're not given the choice to leave/refuse or do something else. What if that Soldier would do better outside the field of battle? How do they even deal with PTSD or Insubordination just murder them off? What if that Merchant is corrupt? What if that Farmer is actually a better fighter if given a weapon and a chance to prove themselves? Or what if that Farmer actually has learned how to haggle/barter better than the Merchant?

The flaw with that system is it completely negates self-improvement or self devolution or self-reflection. It lacks choice and progress...Which is a key component to personal and societal advancement.

I completely agree with you on your other opinions.

That's the thing though, If you are chosen to be a farmer but show that you would be a much better soldier they would make you a soldier, you just have to show how capable you are. The Qunari does not waste "resources".

I also could not disagree more with people comparing them to the Geth or even the Borg. Both the Geth and Borg are a collective, none of them has any individuality except for the Borg Queen and Legion. Every Qunari has their own friends, allies and even goals. They each have their own name even though they don't use them. Every Qunari has their own personality.

Comparing the Qunari to some droids could not be further from the truth. On the morality part, I really don't care. I don't believe in "morality", "good" and "evil" are just different perspectives, what's "right" or "wrong" will always depend on what side you are on.

@Former Trooper "That's the thing though, If you are chosen to be a farmer but show that you would be a much better soldier they would make you a soldier, you just have to show how capable you are. The Qunari does not waste "resources"."

I have no idea if this is truth or just propaganda until we get to Par Vollen. It's been made clear through The Iron Bull that they don't in fact always get a role they like...If they ever do.

The Qun is indeed a Collective. However I think it's morally inferior to the Geth and morally superior to the Borg. So in fact I disagree with you both.

Qunari don't use their names that's hidden away for a title thousands of others have. Sure that definitely doesn't negate individuality at all...Not!

It's proven the Qunari can act like good people...They just have to go rebel or at least flirt with the prospect. Otherwise yes they're just walking and talking Puppets of the Qun's Government.

It's not about you like, it's about what your are good at. You think a soldier wants someone that can barely hold a weapon watching his back? I don't care about "feelings", I care about effectiveness and there in no Army more effective than the Qunari.

If you are a soldier it's because you are good at being a soldier. If you are a farmer and you want to be a soldier then train your a** off during your time off, yes they get time off. Once they see you will do better as a soldier they will make you one, as I said before, The Qunari do not waste resources.

@Former Trooper It's a fact a worker that likes doing their job is more productive. Don't give me this extremist BS that feelings and effectiveness are supposedly opposites. I'm sorry but if a being thinks like a sentient being that means they can reasonably access their emotions AND logic at the same time.

You are saying it's like that...Without any proof outside of Qunari propaganda. Sten is a puppet...He murdered children just because the Qun told him his sword was a soul and if he lost it he's gone. The Iron Bull was a puppet unless he goes rogue to save his friends. Tallis is a more complicated character but in the end she's just a mouthpiece for the Ben-Hassrath...All Ideals, No Reality of the Facts. The Arishok is the Arishok...An Extremist Fanatic to his very core being.

Until I get an Unbiased viewpoint I ain't going to just accept that what they say is truth and only truth. The way a Collective works kind of negates that they can change their roles just like that. You also didn't even answer the question of what if someone is good/great at something yet also corrupt? Do they just let that slide?! What if the Qun's Government doesn't know about the traits the person picked up over the course of time?

It isn't a True Moral Meritocracy...When you just stick someone to something they don't really want. Or when you decide FOR them what they're best at! That's just Enslavement.

P.S. The reason the Geth are better is because they're the opposite of the Qunari. They're a Collective that became a People, While the Qun was born from a People that became a Collective. I highly respect the former while I philosophically oppose the latter.

@Everhardt I usually side with the Mages...Yet I agree with most of what you stated. I guess there's some things that bring us together ain't there?

@FlamesOfChaos13

"Their culture does invite stagnation and the death of self."

This is what I define as evil. The Qunari are evil because of their extreme selflessness.

@7kgcat

It matters because the Qunari want to convert the rest of Thedas.