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Yes I know, but I doubt the devs will ever really return to this matter making me put this as either she was summoned from the fade and is simply a reflection of the forest or the writers messed up
Perhaps it's meant to be left to our own imaginations.
@Silver Warden that's an interesting concept. Or she could be something else that's ancient and forgotten, like the Titans were.
I know it's a little late, but I have yet to have a Warden who can bring themselves to slaughter either a whole clan of elves or a group of cursed people pleading for help. So breaking the curse it is.
I have yet to actually need any army other than the Dalish to get through the final battle with the arch-demon, and if one cares about Ferelden, loosing a pack of werewolves on the capital doesn't seem like the best idea. It's not how I fancy starting a tenure as Queen, anyway; others may have different views.
^^^^She wasn't summoned from the Fade. That the writers messed up is neither here nor there. The fact is the Lady of the Forest was not summoned from the Fade. That is what it says in game and it was never corrected elsewhere, so that is what we are left with. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it untrue. I don't like it either. But neither of us can will the lore to change. All we can do is come up with hypothetical alternative explanations.
Maybe Zathrian was aware of some ancient elvhen magic which allowed him to conjure forth the environmental essence of the forest which manifested as the Lady/Witherfang. The elvhen clans are said to possess 'fragments of fragments' so perhaps this is some form of magic squirreled away in one of the books in Zathrian's keeping. It might also be that Zathrian was driven to gather this being into form from his extreme rage and despair from what happened to his children.
Werewolves are as dangerous to their allies as to their enemies, and it seems short-sighted to leave people suffering such a terrible fate for only one particular battle despite the serious nature of the archdemon. In any case, there is an opportunity to end a horrible curse on both the innocent people, the land, and the caster. There may never be another opportunity to lift it, so end the curse, set everyone free, and take the Dalish (and whoever of the humans that possibly volunteer off-screen) into battle.
^ The Grand Oak says that the spirit of the forest already existed, that 'the day she left was the day [the werewolves] came', so as appealing as the idea is I don't think Zathrian's outrage manifested her into being.
His story is fairly compelling, as far as an object lesson in the poison of revenge goes. I think about it a lot in Awakening, where it's too bad there's not a chance to mention it. Contrasting it with Nathaniel's story (especially with a Cousland Warden, where there is a lot of bad blood that can be beautifully healed) and even more with Velanna, who still has a chance to go another direction, would have been nice in more than headcanon. ;)
That was not entirely what I meant about Zathrian conjuring the Lady. I did not mean to imply she was a manifestation of his rage. My suggestion was more along the lines of his fury being such that he had no patience to pull a spirit from the Fade to do wreak his vengeance, but simply drew forth all the energy in his immediate surroundings. This manifested as the wolf/ghost. His enraged desire to enact his revenge as immediately as he could manage could have resulted in the ferocious Witherfang. The lady was the opposite side of the coin as the forces of growth and compassion and was possibly an unintended consequence. In any case, it was my impression that the wolf/Lady was conjured a very long time ago and all those who wronged Zathrian were already long dead anyway.
^Fair enough, that makes sense. I expect the Lady had her ferocious side already; nature is like that, but the two halves may have been further divided by having two distinctly different shapes.
You're quite right about it having been a long time ago. That's part of what makes it so sad; it's not that Zathrian didn't have every right to be angry and to seek revenge, but that he couldn't move past it centuries later.
^He lost both of his children. That's not something a person can just move past, probably ever.
As far as seeking revenge goes, he killed those who were directly responsible. The curse was then cast on people who were at most only tangentially connected to the deaths of his children, by being the relatives of those who committed the crimes against them. That was beyond the kind of revenge that would've been appropriate, never mind that the curse also affected those generations removed from the events.
What do you think?