170 Votes in Poll
Tevinter has Circles as education centres. The edication here is a privilege, not every mage's learning here. The commoner/slave mages get some training, this is all. And yes, they able to handle the problems. This is my point.
I think, the mages are more competent to solve that magical problem like the rifts on the Veil.
You also saw: half of the Templars became red-lyrium abominations, another half of them followed a demon. How they would be better to fight against them? To me: they're not seems so competent in their job...
Also: they refused to help, seems they don't give a shit to protect people, when demons fall from the sky, to them, it's more important to lick their wounds. They're not trustworthy.
Guys I think we have been warned twice to move the talks about possession and Demons to it's own post by the Admins. so can we please do that before they decide to just close the post
There are a few different ways to look at this option (if that's what this post concerned). Both sides are essentially equal as far as engaging the Breach. My choice was based on another consideration. If anything went wrong with the mages, they were surrounded by innocent civilians in Redcliffe. If the templars were conspiring, they had at least withdrawn to their own fortress of Therinfal Redoubt. My Inquisitor went to the mages as much to secure Redcliffe from magical mishap as to get their help against the Breach.
Tevinter circles are still corrupt institutions that likely squash any opposition to who currently is in charge and keeps folks in place. Slaves are strictly controlled by owners, which in all likelihood consist of mages controlling other mages due to nature of tevinter hierarchy. Yes, they handle problems they have caused mostly due their poor policies concerning mages that don't account for their danger and in all likelihood neglecting any damage to other people because they don't give a squat about anyone except themselves. That's nowhere near of evidence mages being a safe bet, that's mere evidence that they can prevent complete destruction of their country for a while, let's not forget it's Tevinter that caused blights that are world level threat (or at very least continental in practice).
Not really, mages caused the problem in the first place, and as I've explained their traits and danger they possess dwarves anything in the setting so far. Essentially guys that "enforce" reality are better pick to restoring reality to norm if they can do the job, rather than those who break it.
Those half of the templars are gone, so weak elements were weed out and half of them followed a demon because it was perfect copy of their leader and said leader let it happen because member of cult that wanted to destroy the world to rebuild it. No one in Inquistion even noticed fact guy was a demon (at best acting out of character to people that knew him) and if you die in the fade you get special game over where essential same demon will disguise as Inquistor and wreck havoc using Inquistion, so clearly it's good enough disguise to fool 2 different organizations.
Mages (well, their leader) on other hand made a deal with tevinter (corrupt country run by blood mages, practicing slavery and tendency to do puppy kicking, essentially evil empire of dragon age), stabbing Monarch and noble that helped them in the back for sake of own personal interest, which of course went as well as it could have been expected evil empire stabbing them in the back. I mean dealing with an evil and dangerous entity in exchange of fulling personal interests at expanse of others, where I heard that story before? Oh, right pretty much most times we deal with abomination or crazed blood mage. Templars can't become abominations, they can become fairly dangerous monsters but that's about it and again it requires consistent substance abuse of red lyrium and addiction can be satisfied with normal lyrium.
You mean envy demon refused to help, even if it was legitimate leader I would hardly blame them to not trust an organization that was invoked by Divine. Justinia stabbed them in the back and started the mage-templar war when Lambert squashed rebellion before it started and has person as a spymaster that carried out mission for her that started mage-templar war. Inquistion is really not trustworthy in this duo. Even If did assume that they are untrustworthy they are miles more trustworthy than mages (fiona) that stabbed people that helped her in the back for sake of own and her group interest.
So really templars are more trustworthy than mages and safer.
Of course, some of that info PC has no way of knowing prior so when making decision in the moment it's bit more complicated but overall with all info that can be obtained from franchise is collected Templars become obvious better choice.
In both instances I've explained topics covered were strictly relevant to topic of whether Mages or Templars are better better pick in DAI.
No one said, that the Tevinter Circles aren't corrupt. I said, they able to handle the problem without prison-Circles.
I already told you: the Templars are able to become an abomination. In this case, no need anyone to summon the demons and to force into them: the demons are here, in the mortal world.
The Templars refused to help, and went in the safe place to lick their wounds.
Also: the Seekers and the Templars started the war for their wounded pride.
The breach is magical problem, and the mages are the best to solve.
I know the Templars were tricked by the demon – just like the mages were tricked by Alexius.
^no DA2 act 3 was what started the war
It might still be relevant, but the point is that this is a lengthy discussion about a different topic than what OP wanted answered and you're unlikely to come to an agreement, thereby hijacking the thread. No one wants to stop you discussing, but you can open another thread for that. It's easy. You can link it to this one. I would also appreciate if you didn't blatantly ignore it if a moderator tells you to get back to the original topic. This is the final warning. Move this particular part of the discussion to another thread or I will lock this one.
I didn't say you didn't say that, I said they were corrupt and likely deal with any opposition or a perceived threat in a manner no more merciful than chantry does, in fact most likely less. And as I've explained they really don't, unless by handling a problem you mean start a problem, let it wreck havock and then solve the problem. So really unless you're trying to argue that Tevinter was able to stand for couple centuries without absolutely destroying itself then fine, but that wasn't point made nor it's relevant one.
Yes you did told me and I've refuted notion. Possessed guy in armor doesn't equal an abomination. Not only abomination is term reserved to strictly possessed mages but also result between possessed mage and non-mage is different as I've explained. Demon isn't an abomination, Abomination is result of demon possessing a mage, not demon just manifesting in some form in Thedas. So shades, sylvans or possessed non-mages aren't abominations. Let alone red templars that have nothing to do with being possessed by a demon but use of corrupted lyrium known as red lyrium.
Repeating assertion that was already addressed isn't an argument. It was decision of envy demon that was an impostor of their leader. Not to mention mistrust of Inquistion as I've said was justified, not only because reason it's origin, it's high ranking official but also being upstart organization.
Not really, templars and seekers as I've explained ended the war before it started, Lambert had mage leaders captured when they decided to intervene with arresting Rhys to whom all evidence shown to be a murderer. It was divine Jusitina that decided to break in and free mages what allowed to vote for war and then go to war. If not Justinia there would be no one to vote for war and mages in custody would be punished as an example.
Arson is fire problem doesn't mean you create more fire and bring another arsonist to handle it.
Except Alexius was pretty much walking sign with written "Evil" and "it's a trap" given he was tevinter magister that aren't exactly known from their compassion, honesty and other virtues, in addition stabbing person that helped them in the back. Where demon effectively impersonated their leader and worked covertly from inside.
@Warden Nuggins but that's crucial to present accurate and correct answer for what is asked. Otherwise one can make only an empty assertion supporting one answer over another without supporting brought up argument with evidence. It's like asking how much 2+2 equals and when someone comes up with 5 as an answer deciding that explaining how adding works is off topic because OP didn't directly ask for an explanation of how adding works and provide evidence for that.As such one will be left with only assertions and have to determine accuracy of an answer and correctness of answer based of simply an assertion not argument behind it. What would be a point of a discussion if only assertions directly answering topic would be allowed? Even if I started my own topic and brought up some notion but then someone contested notion and argument supporting a claim when then effectively one wouldn't be allowed to contest such argument even if they had a valid point. Essentially, it would require each time to start a new thread, instead lying down all relevant to the topic subjects and arguments that would establish base for an answer to topic's question or topic in itself. Even assuming you are correct and we won't come to an agreement regarding issue we still should be able to have such discussion as other people may benefit either by making own decision regarding an answer to the question based on presented arguments, avoiding making bad arguments for their position or simply learn of argument that are made by other people on the issue. As long such discussion at least somewhat progresses into different argumentation relevant to the topic or elaborating on existing one.So really there is no need to lock this thread as we still discuss issues that are relevant to answer to the question without doing any harm to anyone.
Every possessed person is "abomination". No matter s/he wears plate or cloth armour.
Yes. The independence was declared. And the Seekers + templars started a war for their wounded pride.
If Alexius was a "walking sign if evil", then how Lucius isn't?
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