Alrighty, I'll ask the question: what are your views on blood magic in general? Useful, abused, beneficial, misused, good, bad? This extends to anything related to blood magic as well, from the Joining to Reavers to the few rituals we see in the series. Also, did you use it for yourself or your companions in any of your playthroughs, and how did that go, if so?
^^Varric is hardly an expert on magic. Like you said, blood magic mind reading is probably just a myth, like mages being able to turn people into toads.
It's not clear if blood magic actually allows blood mages to control thoughts. If it does not, then technically blood magic mind control is really just body control. However, to everyone but the blood mage's victim, the difference is academic.
Generally when some fictional power allows one person to control the words and actions of another, that's called mind control. That is what blood magic mind control does, regardless of the status of the victim's actual mind.
When we talk about mind control. We usually are referring to power of suggestion. The technique used to create the effect is irrelevant . The goal is to make the person want to do. Whatever it is your trying to get them to do.
Blood magic manipulates the blood it is physically. Mind control such as making to Templars fight each other. It's either the magic is physically moving the body through blood manipulation. If they cause hemorrhaging of the brain or strokes. They would be crippling the victim. This makes them a useless minion.
However it does raise questions about Dorian's father. He wanted Dorian to marry some woman. Dorian refused so there was to be a ritual to make Dorian more compliant. I wonder how that would work.
Well, looking at Hawke controlled by Idunna at DA2, Hawke was manipulated into saying who told them about her, but Hawke seemed fully conscious that their body was doing so against their will and Hawke can them free themselves without a mage in the party, only through sheer willpower.
In one hand, the control forced Hawke to expose information from deep inside his mind, but in another the controlled person is still aware throughout the control and, if the target is strong willed enough, they can free themselves on their own. Also, Hawke spilled the beans immediately but resisted more readily against the attempt to their own life. How the lore explains that idk, but everything that happened in that scene is consistent with hypnosis - you can make people access subconscious thought, say something or even make them do something weird, but some things, like suggesting suicide, the person just won't do no matter how intense the trance is. So it could (possibly) be some magic augmented hypnosis. In another DA2 mission (Act of Mercy), Decimus, a blood mage, drops "The Hypnotist Staff" when killed, so we can assume that hypnosis is something that exists in this universe.
^Blood magic is hardly necessary for hypnosis. And that wouldn't explain how blood magic also works on animals and darkspawn.
^^I'm not sure where you got the notion that mind control equals suggestion. Mind control is mind -control-. Suggestion is more like mind manipulation. Virtually anyone can manipulate another person via suggestion. Mind control is a power that allows a someone to directly control another person's body and/or mind, like if they had a remote control with buttons they could press to make a person do certain things. Suggestion is just tricking people.
I'm starting to think it's another example of bioware not thinking things through.
A mage hardly needs to resort to blood magic to control minds. The brain is a fragile thing. So naturally a person's mental health is pretty fragile. To me blood magic would be physical control not mental.
The person is puppet the blood is the string. By controlling the flow of blood the user is able force the person to move. The pain is physical as the body is attacked from inside out. It's not the hypnosis or any other forms of enthrallment. That involve the mind control
I think they decided blood magic is evil. What else is evil mind control. Let's toss them together. The two concepts don't mesh well .
^As far as we know, blood magic is the only way to actually control minds in Dragon Age. So it is very much required for mages to control minds.
I know there's no blood in the brain (usually), but there is fluid in it. Blood mages could simply be manipulating cerebral fluid, or perhaps even brain tissue itself, during mind control spells.
That actually makes. After all Dorian's father want to use blood magic on him. The ritual was intended to change his mind. Dorian said it could have left him a drooling simpleton. This makes sense if they're literally bending your mind.
Creeeeeepy. That's all I can say .
^Yes, given the intricacy of the brain, any error in surgery can be catastrophic. I doubt that blood magic treats it any more delicately.
Now I just had weird thoughts of that guy from Legend of Korra, the bloodbender? Seriously, that would be some wicked awesomesauce bloodmagic right there!
Templar - "I'm going to kill you!"
Bloodmage - "I'm going to torture you where you stand... from over here. While sipping tea and eating crumpets. Ta ta!"
Templar - "I.. well... um... shit."
Now I know that the mana cleanse spell and smiting would clear 'Lyrium' magic of an area and turn a mage into an unpowered chump in canon, but did it work against blood magic? Despite it's touted 'power' (which why couldn't I rip someone to pieces like Hawke did in the DAII trailer?), I never felt more 'powerful' in the game watching my health drop like an idiot. The only real advantage I saw was being able to turn on all the sustains in the mana pool and then activating all the killer spells with my health. No increase to spellpower, area of effect, damage... Why couldn't Bloodmage come with like a 50% increase in damage, range, and/or effect?
And yes, using blood magic on Loghain in the duel at the Landsmeet or the Arishok at the Viscount's Keep (in front of Meri Stannard, no less!) is absolutely hysterical. Cut the arm, smite the enemies, get applause. Bow and salutations.
I still think that Blood Magic has some limitations; Tevinter proves this if without direct evidence. Blood Magic is powerful... okay. But a country that has a good many of practiced and trained blood mages can't retake over the world? Yes, they stopped something like three Exalted Marches due to the Schism, as well as the Exalted Marches against the Qun, but if Blood Magic were really 'that' powerful... you'd think that Tevinter would have regained some of its lost territory. Nevarra, the Anderfels, and Rivain haven't lost any territory to them, and the Anderfels in fact threw them out when they were reconquered sometime in the Storm Age, I think.
So I think they're limits to the mind control/body control, and what Blood Magic can do.
It could be (and I think this is a possibility) that while blood magic exists in the Tevinter Imperium, that it isn't the full-blown blood magic the White Chantry cries about. While Dorian supports a little of this, having anyone just summoning demons on a whim seems... like a bad idea. I imagine that demon-summoning is about the same level as harboring a tactical nuke in Thedas; if left unchecked or the mage lets it get out of control, can be a very dangerous thing.
Likewise, the idea of having a backyard pool of blood for magic summoning is probably an exaggeration on the White Chantry's part (they do it, but I think the amount is exaggerated); mages are pretty vulnerable when they're asleep, and even the poorest of beggers and slit your throat with a knife if you're a little too bloodthirsty. I would think (going with the idea of a phylactery) that it's likely that Tevinter Mages probably have vials of blood on them instead of just cutting themselves whenever. This seems excessive and silly; why not 'carry' blood in vials like lyrium? A sewing needed and a small glass vial and you've got extra juice on your side; no need to murder a person in front of others just to throw a few spells about if you've got a pouch full of blood vials ready for such an occasions.
Still, I'm digging the idea of the bloodbending thought as a bloodmagic technique. That would scare the shit out of people (I know I was pretty shocked to think that Nick was basically having kids tortured on a cartoon meant for ten-16 year olds)
What do you think?