User talk:Loleil

Companions' remarks
'lo there,

I've noticed that there are two more remark triggers at Gauntlet's puzzle, thus four in total: one upon entering the room, one upon solving the puzzle(both covered), but a companion may muse about the puzzle itself and also say something when a puzzle plate is triggered. Should those be included, mayhap? Or too unimportant? Dorquemada (talk) 11:05, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure you can go ahead and add them to the companion dialogue pages . 00:18, October 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah. The problem is, I am not a native English speaker and I'm not sure I'll get the definitions right. Oh well. Maybe someone more competent will notice if there's something wrong and correct. Dorquemada (talk) 21:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Hello there (",)

Pretty new spoiler tags
Hey Loleil!

I've got a spoiler tag on the RPG page. Who should I ask about a pretty template for that page? And what happened to Morrigan's pic on her quote?

Hugs girl!

Ozena Lyn (talk) 02:46, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the hugs.


 * The spoiler tags are made by Tierrie so he should be able to help you out with a new one. Hmm I thought the plan was to use Morrigan as the icon, but again Tierrie should know the answer (I hope). 04:14, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa. When I chose Morrigan's picture originally for the DAO spoiler back in 2009, Witch Hunt wasn't even announced. But with Witch Hunt out, Morrigan is associated with that DLC, so, to keep the icon iconic, it needed changing. I wanted users to know immediately which one was Origins and which one was Witch Hunt. I'm not stubborn about the picture and if there's a good suggestion I'm open to changing that one so long as it doesn't conflict with the previous point ;).
 * Also, I'm proud to say that I wrote the spoiler scripts, templates and style. If you like, I can help you set it up. Woot! -- 06:26, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, since Morrigan isn't on the Witch Hunt tag, it doesn't seem like a conflict to leave her on her own quote. Otherwise, if you've going to have "ugly cranky dude", perhaps a new quote for DAO?
 * I'm always happy to learn new things, jump over to my talk page and spell things out like I'm a 4yo. I'm having to learn Textile to use Obsidian.  Learning how to make the pretty spoiler tag should be fun.  Thank you for your assistance. Ozena Lyn (talk) 11:38, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm with Ozena on liking the original tag pic for Origins more than the new one. I also have to say that I'm not a fan of Bioware's new Morrigan image for Witch Hunt. It makes her look rather sour-faced. It would thus be my preference to keep the more appealing original Morrigan concept art pic on one of the two spoiler tags, either for Origins or for WH.  -Vim- (talk) 17:32, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the original tag too. But as icons, they have to remain iconic. Prior to Witch Hunt I would not have chosen any other image. Post Witch Hunt, that icon is now somewhat ambiguous as it could refer to either DAO or WH. I thought about moving the concept picture to WH but after some thought (and viewing BioWare's site) Morrigan's png is what's being used to sell the DLC. With that in mind, I wanted new users to see the icon and immediately recognize that it belongs to the WH DLC.
 * So, I agree with the both of you that the picture is really cool and without context that's what I've chosen. But, under these circumstances, I feel that the current WH icon is a better choice. We can change the DAO icon though - so I'm open to suggestions for that so long as it is iconic, and cannot be mistaken for some other DLC. -- 19:55, October 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, considering the quote used, dog or Alistair sort of come to mind as going with the quote. When I see that face, I don't think of DAO.  If anything, the dragon calls to me as the 1st thing I think of, but various dragon pics seem to belong to the books.  I'll think on it further.  Ozena Lyn (talk) 20:08, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * *good-natured grumble regarding Morrigan's pic* My pick for Origins would be either Alistair or Duncan. I'd be fine with either. As mentioned by Ozena, Alistair fits well with the existing quote. Dog would be a fitting choice but he isn't as deeply interwoven into the plot as Alistair and Morrigan are. On the other hand Duncan is also definitely iconic for Origins given that he recruits the Warden and then dies heroically in the game. His voice actor also did the narration, including the epilogue. -Vim- (talk) 20:26, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I like Alistair or Duncan too. Before I read your replies I was looking at pictures. I like high quality renders for the pages but I haven't found a good one for either. Most of them are in game models and they don't look very good. I'm going to keep looking but if you find something, send it my way and I can convert it into an icon. Also, I love the quote for DAO (I picked it ages ago) but keep in mind that we can easily change quotes too ;) -- 20:35, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * What about Matthew Perry? Does anyone want an icon of Matthew Perry for DAO? -- 20:36, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Jargon
In another random bout of drive-by editing, I thought I'd do some minor clearing up of any articles I came across that offended my delicate sensibilities. One such article is Marjolaine, and the sensibility-offending bits in question are the repeated references to "your tank": second-person is easy enough, but what's a concise way of referring to "tank" in a non-jargonesque way, do you think? Three replacements of "tank" with "your chap who likes melee fighting and who has lots of armour and is slow moving and would probably look good in the latest fashion featuring a pair of caterpillar tracks and a rotating turret" would probably make the article unwieldy (though I could be wrong), so I was really on the scrounge for suggestions since I seem to be unable to plumb the somewhat murky depths of my imagination to think of something more suitable. Then again, I may have slinked off again by then anyway. :D --vom (talk) 17:43, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Hey Vom, it's great to see you about again and apologies for my tardy response! Hmm "damage absorbing warrior", heh that's pretty terrible too. Hope you're still slinking about. 06:24, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Ancient Administrators
Hey all wise and powerful one. Glad to see that you're back. I remember that before you took a break I suggested that we clean out our admin list. I plan on notifying each admin and letting them the following:


 * Hi! I am writing because we are trimming down on the inactive admin list. You've been gone for a while and it looks like you're busy with other stuff. If you do come back for Dragon Age 2, drop by one the forums and we'll be glad to put you back on the admin track. Cheers!

How does that sound? -- 06:48, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey Tierrie, thanks for taking such excellent care of things while I've been gone . I still think removing the inactives is a good idea too and that message sounds good to me! 06:56, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Poems
So I was reading recent changes when it told me that you'd updated your poem. It is beautiful. And as plebian as this sounds, I wanted to tell you that you could wrap the entire thing in a &lt;poem&gt; tag. (see code)

Twas brillig and slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe

A poem tag. Wiki's got to keep their happiest admin happy! Right? Right!-- 07:57, October 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad you liked it! Rosetti has quite an interesting body of work, but I did not know about the poem tag. My next piece will be suitably wrapped. 00:18, October 28, 2010 (UTC)

Quickdraw
Christ, I forgot how fast you are. -Maria Caliban (talk) 03:22, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Maria, nice to see you about again . It was more a matter of good timing of the recent changes that speedy fingers. 03:25, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. Hope I get to see lots more of your fantastic articles . 03:38, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Featured Article
Hey All-Awesome-Admin-With-New-Pedestal! I'm sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. I think that the featured article would need to be rewritten - or cleaned up so that it could be used. I think the Mass Effect Wiki has just the right length and picture size. But it's not particularly urgent. It is not currently being used because the featured articles are old. And we're not updating them because it's not being used :) Kind of a circular logic there.

We should see if we can find some time to bring it back. -- 03:51, November 18, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks! I'll try to be helpful :-) Let me know if I'm doing anything wrong.

MarkCordiner (talk) 16:08, November 20, 2010 (UTC)

Forum about incest? Really?
You may want to check this out. Forum:Incest in Dragon Age 2? It getting pretty ridiculous and volatile. I already edited out a "Go f*ck ya selves" comment, but the rest is in need of admin attention, I think. LVTDUDE (talk) 00:45, December 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * I was just about to add a similar note to this page. LVTDUDE has said it all, so I can only back him up: I think the corresponding forum thread should be closed or even removed. I think such a discussion is totally useless and more an embarrassment to the wiki than anything else. I am pretty sure there are other web pages where people can discuss stuff like that in the way they currently do it here. --Pp2009 (talk) 05:27, December 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the messages. I've gone ahead and deleted this one as I think the original poster was trying to cause controversy rather than start a discussion. Even if they were genuinely curious, they've got their answer. 08:09, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Meg/Gunther
I'm definitely for deleting that page. Both 'meg' and 'gunther' are fan nick names for a character. That he is a companion and possible love interest is also nothing but fan speculation at this point. Maria Caliban (talk) 02:57, December 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for extra info Maria. I was hoping a bit of extra information would come to light, but given what you've said I'll delete it now and it can come back when the character is revealed properly. Thanks again . 03:20, December 6, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm wellcome I've been a fan of Dragon Age For a while and it's nice to know about this fourm [User:Shadow0fnight]

spank me if I'm wrong
Ok, I deleted a note that was tagged on your About Me page. I thought it was inappropriate and it offended me to see you treated such. You and Tierrie can punish me later if I should have left it.

Hugs to you my friend.

Ozena Lyn (talk) 11:45, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just did the same thing myself (it seemed the proper thing to do), Leo1966a should probably be IP banned as soon as possible. I've not been on much these past couple weeks but it is annoying to see someone do this kind of thing, especially to Loleil. Definitely not the kind of update I like seeing in my inbox first thing in the morning.
 * Also, @Loleil, you should probably lock your user page from non-admin edits to prevent this sort of thing in the future (I had Max21 mark mine for registered users only after it was vandalized a couple times). 13:34, December 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the help guys and undoing vandalism is always appreciated.  23:59, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

My Page Being Delete
Hi Loleil.

Im Sorry But I feel you had no right to go on to my profile / user page and felt your were entitled to remove anything you like, The idea behind the page was a quick referance guide to find the answers to quest problems and to find a soulution,

I dont see why you objected on 3 seperate occasions - as when I looked for soloutions to the gauntlet, and the 4th summoning - I couldnt find it - hence the reason for the page.

You delted my page with out due cause so its only fair to tell you to restore the deleted content back to my page.

Yours Very Pissed Off

Stephen John Smith (LEO1966A)

Leo1966a (talk) 13:22, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Loleil is an admin on this wiki and she can, at her discretion, delete any page she feels needs to be deleted to maintain the quality of the wiki. As I can see on your talk page she already told you that you can recreate the deleted page as a sub-page of your user page if you would like to keep it for personal reference. If you don't know how to do that then you should have asked for help with it rather than vandalizing her user page, there is no legitimate excuse for that sort of behavior. 13:34, December 13, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Page history
Many thanks. -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:53, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

We need to create DA2 spoiler warning tag.
There are some spoiler information (minor) has started to come-up regarding DA2. So I think it is better if we can design a nice spoiler warning tag, so the ordinary user who doesn't wish to see any kind of spoilers can avoid them. If this is already done or in-progress, just ignore this message. -- Snfonseka (talk) 06:42, December 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Found the spoiler warning tag. So please ignore this message. -- Snfonseka (talk) 08:06, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Designing shorter version of "Spoiler Warning"
I think we should design a shorter version (in length) of "Spoiler Warning" (not replacing the current one) in order to use in situations like this.

Image

As you see in the above image there is a huge gap between the heading and the "spoiler warning" due to the length of the "spoiler warning", that in my opinion affect the structure (or we can say the "professional look") of the article. So what I am suggesting is to design a shorter version to use specifically in this kind of situation. I like to hear your thoughts on this. -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:28, December 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * If we could get a spoiler tag that could adjust depending on where it is placed on an article that would be great. Unfortunately this is more Tierrie's are than mine, so hopefully he can help a little when he gets back. 01:52, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Forum help
Whenever i try to start a page on the forum in this case the "Staff of Parlathan help!" page i write evrything in. But when i preview nothing it nothing is there. This is starting to irrite me as it is the 3rd or 4th time this has happened, please could you tell me how how to fix this. Daggers End (talk) 11:58, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

Image Guidelines Clarification
I have read the "Image Guidelines" again after seeing The Warden page by different users. After reading that I think I need your help in clarifying something that is mentioned in that guideline. It says "Apart from The Warden page, the wiki does not use images of individual player characters." Even though the guideline says "Apart from The Warden page", in The Warden page we are currently using the image of the "CGI" warden. Can you please clarify this?


 * I've changed the picture back to an in-game shot and updated the image guidelines as we decided to allow picture released by BioWare to be used where appropriate. 02:21, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Archived Forum Threads
So, I've noticed some archived forum threads being reopened and just today two of them were reopened by a particular unregistered contributor (75.64.158.234, who has reopened several in the past few days). I'm not sure if there's an existing policy on how archived threads should be handled. As the launch of DA2 looms closer we'll probably have more people sifting through the forum archives (and commenting on old threads with much more frequency) so I need to know how to handle things like this. Should I just let it be, lock the thread with a message to open a new one if people want to discuss it further, etc. If there isn't a policy already do you think I should draw one up or leave it all be? 22:15, December 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Even though this question is not directed to me, I hope you won't mind that I write my ideas here. What I think is, when someone reopened an archive thread, if others find it interesting AND if that thread is a resourceful one we should not lock it down. But if the person who reopened is the only one who use it OR if that reopened thread is not resourceful, then we can consider about a lock down. -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:08, December 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Opening archived threads requires a bit of fiddling, so the issue hasn't come up before and there isn't a policy dealing with it. I tend to think that this is a issue where judging on a case-by-case basis works best. If the thread is particularly long and/or contentious I think we're better off starting a new thread, as it may be hard for newcomers to get up to speed, whereas short topics than never got off the ground would be easier to restart.


 * As our resident forum expert, I'm happy for you to write up a policy on how to deal with this. 02:21, December 31, 2010 (UTC)

Mechanical Changes DA:O->DA2
Greetings and salutations! Dragon Age 2 is getting a bit of an overhaul when it comes to mechanics. We know there are new derived attributes (such as fortitude); changes in how some attributes work (cunning now adds to defense); changes in class (warrior can no longer DW or do archery); as well as new skills, specialization, the upgrade system... Well, you get the idea.

My question is, how do you think we should handle this? We could insert it into existing articles but that could get messy. We could change the existing articles to have Dragon Age: Origins and Dragon Age II section. We could create new articles altogether. I'm leaning to the 'new articles altogether' route as it means the user can focus on the content they desire. If so, we might want to rename the current articles so that the current Warrior is 'Warrior (Dragon Age: Origins).' Warrior would function as a redirect to 'Warrior (Dragon Age: Origins)' until we felt the 'Warrior (Dragon Age II)' section was up to par.

I don't want someone hopping into the wiki on release day of DA II, searching for Classes or Attributes and getting shuffled to the old information. Alternatively, it will take a while for the DA II articles to be has comprehensive as the current ones.

I'm also thinking about doing this to Companions as Chris Priestly confirmed that all regular companions would be revealed prior to launch.

Anyway, those are just my thoughts. We still have some time. -- Maria Caliban (talk) 15:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)


 * I also think this is very valid issue. Also as Maria Caliban mentioned I also like the idea of separate pages for separate games, rather than keeping all the information in a single page.


 * If we take Companions as an example, I think it would be nice if there are separate pages for Companions in DA2 and  Companions in DA:O. Then the Companions page should act as a gateway to these two pages. So the Companions page should contain general description about companions (rather than giving specific details related to any of the games).


 * Finlay, the Companions page should contains the links to both Companions in DA2 and  Companions in DA:O


 * These are my thoughts regarding the matter and I hope to hear your ideas too. -- Snfonseka (talk) 07:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict) I've given this one a bit of thought too and while I'm not quite sure on the best solution, I too think that we should create new pages for the Dragon Age II classes, spells, skill, and whatever else we need. To take companions as an example, think that we should have a page called Companions, but rather than it being devoted to the companions from Origins, I would make it either a disambiguation page or a page explaining the basic mechanics of the concept and how it's changed through the series, then we would have Companions (Origins), Companions (Dragon Age II) and then use the same format for any future games in the series.  08:34, January 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds like we are all in agreement . But it might be worth running by the forums 08:36, January 10, 2011 (UTC)


 * Forum:New changes to the pages due to upcoming DA2 -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:41, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Purpose of the "Known characters" in DA2 page
Hi; We are keeping "Known characters" section in Dragon Age II page. Obviously we cannot insert every character in DA2 under that heading. According to my opinion there is no purpose of having this, because users can view that information by viewing the appropriate character category. But before editing it I thought of mentioning it in here, in order to check whether you have a different view point on this. -- Snfonseka (talk) 09:13, January 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest we switch to a "Major characters" heading to include the important people, but if you still feel that's unmanageable I'm not adverse to removing it altogether. 10:08, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Rendon Howes father.
Heylo, Loleil i think i may have found a mistake on the wiki page about the Cousland family history. it says that Terleton Howe was Rendons father and that he was hung after the battle of Harpers Ford. But in awakening Nathaniel Howe says that his grandfather was named Padric (or Pedric i cant recall how its spelt)and that he was a grey warden who vanished. is this a mistake on that page or a oversight on the developers part?DarkDabber (talk) 09:41, January 16, 2011 (UTC)DarkDabber
 * Off the top of my head I don't know which is correct. It might be worth posting a message on his talk page to see if we can get some Howe experts to answer the question. 10:08, January 16, 2011 (UTC)

Darkspawn pages
With DA2 coming out in the near future I would like ask what the will be happening to the current darkspawn pages. I ask this because of the lack of responses I got in this topic. So now I ask you if the pages concerning the darkspawn should be left as they are and edited with new information when DA2 comes out, or should there be separate pages that deals with darkspawn found in DA:O and DA2 separately? Balitant (talk) 00:28, January 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * If it is "lore", then it won't be separated according to Forum: New changes to the pages due to upcoming DA2. -- Snfonseka (talk) 04:18, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation
Dear everyone's favorite admin, there has been some discussion lately about what to use for disambiguation. The consensus is that we stick to as simple a noun as possible -- "Origins", "Awakening", "Dragon Age II" as we have been doing. As such, I was hoping that you could add that and the list of common disambiguation to the Dragon Age Wiki:Manual of Style. Thanks Miss Awesome Admin! -- 23:56, January 24, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey there, Sorry for the slow reply, I'm currently overseas on a holiday and so I haven't been spending as much time online. But due to your shameless flattery I've updated the MoS. It's very rough, but hopefully gets the point across. It might also be worth seeing if we can get a bot to changeover all the "Companion" and the like links to "Companion (Origins)" links before DAII is released. 19:41, January 28, 2011 (UTC)

Templar talk
Hi, I just copied your comments in Talk:The Templar Order to Forum:New changes to the pages due to upcoming DA2. -- Snfonseka (talk) 03:04, January 29, 2011 (UTC)

Vim
O Admin-On-A-Pedestal! I left User:-Vim- a message as he doesn't seem to have logged in since October 2011. I let him know that we are keeping the inactive list of admins small. Hopefully he will be around and pick up the message. If he does return at a later date, we can put him on a fast track to adminhood. -- 02:39, February 8, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks Tierrie. I think with DAII right around the corner it's a good idea for all the admins to be active. Speaking of activity, you should be seeing a lot more of me around here as I'm back from my holiday . 23:59, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

I like to hear your opinion
Hi, I just opened a new forum thread; Forum:Changes to Template:ClassInfobox. TC -- Snfonseka (Talk) 07:08, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cloth helmets move/merge?!
Hello Loleil, I hope you are the right person to ask. There are pages to be merged and I do not know who exactly I should contact about it. Maybe you can take a look at it or tell me who to contact.

This page lists cloth helmets from Origins and Awakening while it is called Cloth helmets (Origins). Shouldn't it be renamed to Cloth helmets then and be allowed to contain the items from both titles? But there already exists a page with the title Cloth helmets, which only links the mentioned Cloth helmets (Origins). So in short: I propose to move all the content from the Cloth helmets (Origins) to the Cloth helmets page.

I would have done that myself, but I am rather new to all this wiki stuff and it is better to ask. Thanks! --Spellsword (talk) 17:33, February 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Spellsword,


 * Welcome to wiki editing and I'm glad you took a moment to stop and ask questions.


 * The reason that the page is called "Cloth helmets (Origins)", rather than just "Cloth helmets" is because the wiki is preparing for DAII, and we will soon have a page called "Cloth helmets (Dragon Age II)".


 * At this stage we have decided that most Awakening content will stay in Origins pages as it's an expansion pack, not a completely separate entity. However, if you would like to propose a change to that, you can drop by Forum:New changes to the pages due to upcoming DA2.


 * In the future if you see a page that you want to move you can add the Move template to the page in question and if you see a page you want to merge you can add the merge template. If you see a page where renaming is clearly uncontroversial (i.e. the title is misspelt) you can use the "Rename" option under the Edit dropdown menu.


 * If you have any other questions please ask. 00:17, February 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello again Loleil,


 * thanks for the welcome and your time explaining this to me - also the use of those templates - now I understand the idea behind that naming convention. Appreciated. :) --Spellsword (talk) 01:34, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

D-day
Hello there Miss Most Amazing Admin ever! It looks like the discussion on Forum:Adminship request - D-day is drawing to a close and there seems to be an overwhelming support for User:D-day to join us on our pedestal. What do you say, we make space for one more? -- 21:14, February 18, 2011 (UTC)