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Precedent on Conflict Pages
Hey Kelcat, I need some input. Remind me, we don't put spoiler tags on conflict pages do we? Because they're all one massive spoiler like the quest pages ? - 04:22, November 5, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure that we don't, or at least we haven't in the past. -- 02:09, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

The Art of Dragon Age: Inquisition images
Hey, I remember you finding the statement from Bioware that any leaks before the art book's release would count as piracy. TheShadowAngel66 has been uploading images from the art book, just thought I'd let you know. Also notified King Cousland. -- 07:18, November 7, 2014 (UTC)

Angry Joe video
Someone previously made a blog post with news category, which was a blog about Angry Joe's video of Inquisition, and the category got removed eventually. Now someone did it again. Could you please, if I'm right that blog doesn't belong to the news, remove the category?

You know those times when you expect to be a lot more available and then of course are not? Glad to see these both got taken care of. -- 01:05, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Whoops, just saw I forgot to sign that last one, was kind of in a hurry. And that's okay, I suspected you'd have a hard time being available these days, that's why I left a message on KC's page too. Hope everything's okay :) -- 01:30, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Everything's good! Currently absorbed in Sunset Overdrive during my free time . -- 00:17, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Legacy & MoTA Files
Hey, Kelcat! I've been meaning to ask you how you got the ID codes for the items in Mark of the Assassin and Legacy. I was recently using PyGFF to extract game files, but it doesn't work for the DLC. I'm guessing BioWare changed the way they code their files between the release of DA2 and its DLC? I'd really like to get the files, especially for Legacy (specifically for Malvernis's robes/gear). Any help would be appreciated! Thanks! --Death by Cheese (talk) 22:15, November 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * User:mostlyautumn pulled those id codes, not sure from where. He may be able to help you with what you're looking for. -- 00:17, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah, got it. Thanks for the help! --Death by Cheese (talk) 00:37, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Untitled
Hello, I was asking around for a way to apologize and I was brought here. A while ago on an old account (Ascetic496) on the two week mark from release of Inquisition, I edited the DAI page to say Draconic Lodge Incubation along with a few other edits. I didn't think this would offend anyone, more bring a laugh than anything to celebrate how close we are to dragon age inquisition.

I'd just like to apologize and say sorry about the edit. I won't add anything unless it's actual information.

I made this account because I got access to a computer and was able to make an actual username with a working space bar.

Once more, I'm sorry and it won't happen again.


 * That's not a problem. I don't recall the incident, but I'm sure it's water under the bridge by now. I hope you have the chance to become an active editor now that you have a space bar! -- 00:17, November 9, 2014 (UTC)

Character Trailers
Hey, what do you think about an article where we could assemble all the character reveal trailers for the different games? - 13:45, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think having some articles with game videos would be helpful. We already have Videos, but it needs a lot of work, and only contains videos from Origins. -- 00:27, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok how about, provided they continue to release character reveal trailers for Inquisition as they did with Awakening and Origins, how about a separate gallery page where we could assemble the character reveal trailers and link them back to the companions category pages?

As for the other videos, I think the easiest option would be to merge the appropriate trailer videos etc. into the Game articles, like we have with Dragon Age: Inquisition.Thoughts?

- 00:47, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Or we could just go back to my original idea and just include a link to the character trailer in a gallery on the relevant companion article. I'm flexible about doing that on the earlier games but I think the ones for the Inquisition companions should be included given that they seem to actually show additional narrative content that isn't in the game itself (where each companion was at the exact moment the breach occured)

- 01:13, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think having videos on the character articles is needless cluttering, and I'd vote for having a separate page for all the videos of a particular game. Our guidelines state only official trailers should be on articles, with a few exceptions, so making a change to that by adding character videos and other non-trailer type videos to any article would constitute a change to the guidelines. Which, of course, should be voted on. -- 23:11, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Age Series Bar Links
I'm just wondering will the Dragon Age games: The Last Court, Heroes Of Dragon Age (and the other facebook one who's name I can't recall) be added to that bar? Since all three are Dragon Age Games, I'm wondering this because comics books and Dec all are listed Ontario here alongside the main games (also not sure if you're the one I'm ment to ask thiamin so appointed, orgies if I'm asking the wrong admin about this) Blitzbear93 (talk) 21:32, November 9, 2014 (UTC)Blitzbear93


 * Hey, I hope it's okay if I answer. The structure of the top bar will definitely be redesigned, so it'll cover as much as possible, hopefully including TLC, HoDA and Dragon Age Legends (the Facebook one). Maybe even Dragon Age Journeys too. -- 23:23, November 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * "Appointed orgies"? Margerard and User:Tierrie are the main ones working on the main page layout, and it's definitely a work in progress. -- 00:29, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * XD I'm sorry thought I'd fixed up all the incorrect words I have auto correct so it changes words to other words I apparently use a lot...was ment to say appologies, so many incorrect words in that post xDBlitzbear93 (talk) 18:27, November 10, 2014 (UTC)Blitzbear93


 * No worries, autocorrect can be quite amusing at times -- 23:11, November 10, 2014 (UTC)

Photoshop Help needed
Hey Kelcat do you know anyone who could use photoshop to clean up an image for me? Its the menu screen of Inquisition that shows the Templars and Mages marching to attend the peace summit. It'd be perfect for a couple of articles but I just need to get ride of the big "PRESS START TO PLAY" text in the middle of the screen. Sadly thats well beyond my own minor image editing abilities. Anywhere you could refer me to? - 09:46, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * User:ACdeakial has been doing all of the 4-tier HoDA images, and I believe he does them in photoshop. Might want to try him. -- 23:11, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Tremendous, thanks Kelcat! I'll get on that.

- 00:40, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Nobility and Royalty Titles
Ok well its been well over a week and no one other than the two of us seems to have taken an interest. Unless you really think its worth prolonging the discussion further or making a more proactive effort to get other editors involved in talking about it, I think we should go ahead and use the Orlesian model. - 11:22, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think that's fine. -- 23:11, November 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ok I shall go ahead and update that then.

- 00:40, November 11, 2014 (UTC)

Instant Expert FAQ
Hey Kelcat, I just finished the first draft of the FAQ for the "Instant Expert Page" which is supposed to introduce new players to Dragon Age. I'd be very grateful if you could take a look at it and either make or let me know where you think I should make improvements. - 10:16, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, I can look at it, can't seem to find the page, though, for some reason. 10:27, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Portal:Dragon_Age_Inquisition_Instant_Expert

Yes for a portal page its rather hard to find. Maybe we should put up a news post or something. - 10:31, November 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * It looks really good! The only thing I noticed was an inconsistency in capitalization of humans, elves, and mages, but the info itself is great. -- 08:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Venatori Talk Page
Hey Kelcat, I just opened a new discussion on the talk page for the venatori which I would appreciate some feedback on. Basically just trying to help establish a precedent for whether we should have individual unit pages or not. - 08:19, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. -- 08:36, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Images of certain characters
Hey, it was brought to my attention there are images of Corypheus and Samson from the opening scene in the game, and I quickly categorized and licensed them since Леди боли usually doesn't. Only a bit later I saw that you added to the other pictures such as Empress Celene, Briala, and I wondered if the images would count as leaked/pirated (that's why I left alone Gaspard de Chalons for now). The reason I wonder is because people already had early access to the game, and apparently the images with Samson and Corypheus are from the opening scene. Judging by that I thought maybe those images are from the beginning too. However I don't know if that would still count as an illegal leak, capturing images from a game that already had early access to. What do you think? If the categories and licenses should be removed, let me know of feel free to do it in advance. -- 17:50, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I think if any images are from the opening of the game it wouldn't be considered a leak, seeing as how BioWare allowed access to the game on a wide front. As for Celene and Briala, I wasn't aware they were from the opening as I've avoided watching videos for now, and there's no indication of the source of the images; there was some confusion about whether those images were actually of the two ladies, so I added the no license tag until I could find out for sure. But if they're from the game and labeled correctly, then we can change it to a BioWare license and go from there. -- 22:37, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * To be fair I have no idea if those images about Celene, Briala or Gaspard are from the beginning or not, but I do believe those are the characters in question. However simple belief doesn't matter if the uploader didn't provide source, so I suppose the No license tag could is well placed there. But someone else confirmed Samson and Corypheus by adding image description and DAI sections on their respective articles, so I suppose those two images are not the same as the others. -- 23:08, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry to intrude but on a related note I just had a thought about those particular characters. What do you think about using an image of them wearing their respective noble masks in the infobox and then (provided we can get one) an image of them without it in the involve DA:I section?

- 23:16, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * I think it's a neat idea, but depends if we want to be strict about showing pictures in infoboxes that show the face of the character best. I like the idea as it's fitting for the theme of Orlais, but I'm okay if it's not going to happen in the end. -- 23:33, November 14, 2014 (UTC)


 * As far as whether or not those images are from the game, I think it's best to wait until the game comes out, as the user who uploaded the images unfortunately chooses not to add descriptions or citations when uploading (not much I can do about that as they've been told to do so in the past). As far as what images go where, I would think that images without masks should go in the infobox, and images with masks be placed elsewhere in the article, unless they never appear in the game without the masks. I think it's better to have infobox images where faces aren't obscured by helmets or other headcoverings if at all possible. -- 23:34, November 14, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Archiving talk pages
Hi Kelcat, apologies for the (very) late reply! I've been rather busy recently. To answer your question, yes, I don't think that would be a bad idea at all. I'm assuming you're okay to go ahead and do that? 19:49, November 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * No worries on the delay, I can understand being busy! I will go ahead and archive the page then and leave a link. -- 23:22, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Promotional Game Walkthrough
Hey Kelcat, do you think it is worth creating an article with a walkthrough for the Quest for the Red Lyrium Reapers promotional game on the dragon age website which gives you the free promotional DLC weapons? - 02:11, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Not sure; I haven't played the game, and probably won't--at least for awhile. If you think it warrants one, then feel free. -- 04:06, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Source to those images?
Nothing big, just remembering our previous discussion regarding if those images about Celene and the rest is legit, it would seem so that it is. Well, it doesn't mention Briala, but it would be logical to assume she is that elf in the background. -- 02:33, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Good find. I don't know anything about Briala, but from what I know, it's doubtful that'd be anyone else. Thanks for updating the image licenses. -- 04:06, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Inquistion
INQUISITION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ARE YOU AS EXCITED AS I AM?!?!!??! I DON'T EVEN GET TO PLAY THE GAME FOR TWO MORE DAYS AND THATS IF I HAVE EVERYTHING SORTED BY THEN WHICH I WON'T BUT IM STILL SO EXCITED!!!!!!! - 09:01, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Worst confession ever, but I won't be getting Inquisition for awhile! I'm currently jobless so I can only afford to get one of the three games I want that are all coming out on the same day (GTAV won). Hopefully I'll get it sometime in December, because I definitely want to play it! -- 09:11, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * What kind of example is that?!?! Having said that, I won't technically be playing it for a while either. Still need to replace the computer, the desk and play through Origins and II so all my choices are in place.

- 09:13, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * I know! Worst admin ever, right? I shall be taking one for the team, though, and braving spoilers so I can help keep the wiki looking spiffy. And I just started a new Mage Origin playthrough since it's been ages since I last played. -- 09:19, November 18, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh well it is good to know that I can trust the wiki to your oversight while I avoid spoilers until I'm finished with Inquisition.

- 09:23, November 18, 2014 (UTC)

Protect Status
Given people don't seem to be able to stop bickering, you think it would be worth protecting the Krem article? - 00:45, November 19, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I don't think it's going to stop. It'd be best just to put an unregistered user protect on it for now (like with Maeveris) since that's where we're getting the most problems. -- 01:00, November 19, 2014 (UTC)

Shameless Gloating
I got my Inquisitor's edition!!!!! I'm thinking i'll frame the map and use it as the top of a custom built nightstand. - 04:39, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, nice!! The map was one of the coolest looking parts of that edition. -- 05:35, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also I just broke 7k edits! I am also counting this as shameless gloating!

- 11:21, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * http://s1130.photobucket.com/user/kelcat18/media/JadeClapping_zpsdevcwknr.gif.html -- 23:32, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism on DA:I page
Hello Kelcat! Looks like HD3 is out (playing Inquisition, perhaps?), so I'll drop this here for you to judge.

I've noticed a vandal on the Dragon Age: Inquisition page. One user also, added a paragraph about the game not featuring a developer console and cheats. I wasn't certain about the relevance of this information, as it was written in seemingly derisive manner. Given the large amount of vandalism, I've chosen to revert everything to Your last revision. (Formal mode off) Saba0th (talk) 12:51, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting us know. Looks like Loleil blocked the vandal, and I'll keep an eye on the page. -- 19:52, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Alriht, I'm staring at the Wiki Activity page all the time. If I spot anything serious, I'll be sure to let someone know. Saba0th (talk) 20:19, November 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's very much appreciated. We're definitely getting busier! -- 22:37, November 20, 2014 (UTC)

Just a note, I discovered by accident it DOES include a console, enabled by default AND it has a font... I keep accidentally hitting the ` key and opening it, have to hit ` again to close it. Not sure what (if any) commands work since I'm not ready to 'cheat' yet (although, if there was a debug for Morrigan I'd jump on that in a heart beat... see my bugs thing below this here on your page) AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 06:01, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hmm, interesting. I did a quick search, and while I found a few results saying there's definitely a console, there don't seem to be many details as to what commands are available. Hopefully there are some people out there fiddling around with it! -- 06:11, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Sadly time to create a bugs page for Inquisition?
So, it seems Inquisition now deserves a bugs page... These are the ones I am aware of...

1. If you change the default voice for your Inquisitor, then later in the game when the main story quest when you encounter Hawke you are given the option to use a default or custom Hawke. If you select to customize him/her it will revert your Inquisitor to the default voice. Only way around this is to use a default Hawke. This bug has been reported on all platforms.

2. I myself imported a Human Noble Queen of Ferelden who stabbed Morrigan and the entire playthrough seemed to reflect that, however talking to Morrigan she's talking about the Hero of Ferelden being her lover. I am on the PC, and had a short discussion via Direct Message with Dragon Age Keep on Twitter, they said they are looking into it.

3. One person reported that Hawke's gender is wrong, even though the Keep says it correctly. He says he's on the PS4.

Here are references, if you need them.

Voice/Hawke bug: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Dragon-Age-Inquisition/Male-Inquisitor-voice-changes-after-meeting-Hawke/m-p/4000249#U4000249

Morrigan Bug: http://forum.bioware.com/topic/523024-morrigan-loved-a-woman-and-had-a-child-with-her-apparently/ (This is my thread, so far no response from Bioware, just jokes (though as I said, I did talk to them via Twitter)

Hawke Gender Switch: http://answers.ea.com/t5/Dragon-Age-Inquisition/PS4-Hawke-gender-swapped/m-p/4027310#M9701


 * Heh, I guess it's inevitable. If there are bugs we should definitely get that info onto the wiki. Would you like to create the article? -- 06:11, November 22, 2014 (UTC)

Hmm maybe, though I forget how to make brand new pages which is part of why I mentioned it to you. AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 19:43, November 22, 2014 (UTC)


 * It's pretty easy if you want to give it a shot. Click on the "Contribute" dropdown box at the top of the page, and select Add a Page. You can name it Bugs (Inquisition). If you need ideas for formatting, check the other Bugs pages. If you need help or don't feel comfortable making it, let me know. -- 00:25, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I'll give it a shot, but first what the plan is for mentioning Hawke and Morrigan's return? Is that considered known, or is it a spoiler? How is that done on bug pages? AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 01:10, November 23, 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like the other bugs pages have quite a few spoilers, so I'd say it's okay to include them. We can always re-examine it later. -- 01:44, November 23, 2014 (UTC)

Note on a future Codex Entry
Hey Kelcat. I know the entry itself hasn't been written yet but when we do write up the codex entry for Plants versus Corpses (Codex:Tales #74) for DA:I which is a shout to the Plants versus Zombies game, we should include a trivia note and this image. The Plants versus Zombies designers were so pleased with the little easter egg in DA:I they made a Plants versus Zombies version of the DA:I cover as a thank you. That definitely warrants a trivia note and the image. I've uploaded it but obviously the codex hasn't been written yet so there's no where to put it and I didn't want to put my foot into the middle of the new codex templates before they're finished. Anyway, just mentioning it and including the image here and so it can be added to the codex entry when we can.



- 03:16, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Aww, that's adorable. I'm still working on the templates, may have to get some help on it, but we can definitely add that in. -- 03:42, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also, could you put the correct license on the image? I'm not quite sure what it would fall under. -- 21:32, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Done! Also congratulations on reaching ten thousand edits!

- 11:52, November 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Having to categorize so many images certainly upped my numbers  22:35, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

Weird Editing Glich
Hey Kelcat, i've got this weird editing glitch I can't explain.

Everytime i put in a codex conditional paragraph, i get that weird 2 next to it. It isn't present in the source code and I can't figure out why it keeps showing up. Do you have any idea how to solve this? - 12:21, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Okay, I think I see what might be your problem... it's CodexConditionalSection that you want...

Assuming your intent is to do this?

AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 12:38, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Ah well that explains it then. Now I just feel daft. Disregard everyone!

Vandalism
Also Kelcat there was a big vandalism attack. I blocked them and reverted all the damage (I think, feel free to double check) I also protected the Sera article because that was the target of most of the attack. Since you're probably going to be the first one back, I thought I should let you know. - 14:07, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Also reverted a second wave of vandalism. Again, think I got it all but not sure. Stuck protect on for the Loghain, Cole, Dorian and Trouble with Wolves articles temporarily.

- 14:47, November 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * Eep!! Glad you were around, and that we're in different time zones. Sadly, I doubt this will be the last vandalism run, but at least it's not every day. I'm going to change the protection of the pages to registered users only, indefinitely, since the worst seems to be over and the only registered vandals were clearly troll accounts. Great work! -- 17:40, November 25, 2014 (UTC)

Spoiler
Hey you think it would be worthwhile to make a spoiler tag for The Last Court? - 06:47, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure if you think it warrants it. -- 19:52, November 26, 2014 (UTC)

Forum out of control
There's someone on this forum [], making some incredibly offensive remarks. Such as referring to transgender individuals as "mentally ill".

-206.190.136.246 (talk) 11:28, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, I've dealt with the situation. -- 19:51, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * I didn't call transgenders mentally ill. You are mistaken, and the anon is lying. Please do not listen to anons over wiki members. Most anons are nothing but trolls trying to cause conflicts.


 * As for pronouns, the request of using preferred pronouns only applies in cases between wiki members, NOT to fictional characters, and I didn't even do that much. I only asked a question about the character. So again, you are mistaken. Please retract your warning on my talk page. Believe it! (talk) 21:35, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * And I quote "Transgenderism is where a person believes to be the opposite sex...this is a mental illness." /end quote

-206.190.136.246 (talk) 23:24, November 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * That's NOT a quote of my post. You edited it with "..." to make it look like I was making a statement. Even your edit does not show a statement about any person or persons. However, this is crystal clear proof that you are trying to slander me in an attempt to get me blocked.


 * Kelcat, I did not make any statement about transgender people. I only posted what the medical community has said on the issue of transgenderism (the concept, not people). You obviously misread my post. I did not say anything about transgender people or even transgenderism. I brought up the point of what the medical professionals classify the concept as. Those are the facts.


 * I request that you block the anon for trying to slander me, which is a clear violation of the rules. I also again request that you retract your warning to me. Believe it! (talk) 00:14, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

I'll address this here so that both of you can see it: I truly do not feel that the unregistered user was trying to slander you, Believe it. They merely pointed out a forum to me that they were offended by, and asked me to investigate it--which I did. I feel that I intepreted your comments correctly and came to the same conclusions that the user did: that your comments were offensive and inappropriate. At no time did this person call you names or personally attack you, nor did they submit false information. I will not just hand out blocks to people who make a good faith effort to report what they believe to be inappropriate behavior, even if they are unregistered users. -- 00:40, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Well he did try to slander me, and you can see it above. He posted something claiming it was a quote from me, but he edited it to have a completely different meaning in an attempt to get me blocked. How is that not slander?


 * As far as insults, the anon in the forum (different from this one on the talk page according to IPs) called me homophobic. When I told him I was not homophobic he then said I was "very in-denial", and then called me homophobic again. Those are direct insults against me. That clearly violates the rules of conduct, but whatever, I can shrug off words. I can ignore insults. And whether you enforce the rules against that anon or not is up to you. However, when people take actions against me that threaten me directly or my civil rights, then I have a very big problem with that.


 * I did not post anything about any person or group of people, I did not even post my opinion on transgenderism as a concept. I referred to the documented position of licensed medical practitioners in order to prove a point related to the topic of the thread, and I will not be harassed with baseless accusations and threats.


 * So I politely ask you one last time to please retract the warning on my talk page. Believe it! (talk) 02:00, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * I stand by my comments and will not retract anything. I did not see the unregistered user call you names, but now that you've pointed it out, I will definitely address it, as that's not acceptable either. -- 02:09, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * Just to clarify, I am not the same anon who called them homophobic.

Also it is called an elipses. Its very commonly used in quotations for the sake of brevity. I didn't feel it was necessary to include the "According to medical science" since there was nothing actually included to suggest you had any basis for that. Also its probably worth pointing out that the DSM does not consider transgenderism a pathological mental disorder, so it is still inaccurate.

see:
 * http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/gender-dysphoria-dsm-5_n_3385287.html
 * http://dsm.psychiatryonline.org/doi/book/10.1176/appi.books.9780890425596

-206.190.136.246 (talk) 02:19, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Vandalism 2
I've spotted some vandals (190.200.148.106 and 84.134.170.74), and reverted their edits.

Although, there's something I'm unsure about. Are we supposed to report every single case of vandalism or only the most serious/persistent ones? Saba0th (talk) 17:09, November 27, 2014 (UTC)


 * If it's something really minor like adding a stupid word or two, you don't necessarily need to, though I usually slap a short block on all of them just in case. It's certainly better to be safe than sorry, and it's easy enough for an admin to investigate them. -- 19:47, November 27, 2014 (UTC)

Could you take a look at this? Saba0th (talk) 18:16, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Oh yeah that guy keeps remaking the same vandalisms after someone reverts them. :( AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 18:33, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! Taken care of. -- 19:46, November 30, 2014 (UTC)

Another one? Saba0th (talk) 00:13, December 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Got it! (Actually HD3 got it 'cause he's awesome like that) -- 00:28, December 1, 2014 (UTC)


 * Hey, you're all awesome. Now, back to the shadows! Gonna stalk for any vandals that show up. Saba0th (talk) 03:05, December 1, 2014 (UTC)

Yet another one: 190.185.103.17. This one too: 180.191.64.208 (that forum thread was over 3 tears old, but still). And, as a side note, I noticed that our wiki is going up in ranks on the Wikia Activity Monitor. I hope we can hit the top for the first time. --Saba0th (talk) 14:13, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorted. Also top ten in wiki activity!

- 14:53, December 3, 2014 (UTC)


 * Wow, we're beating the Marvel wiki! -- 23:34, December 3, 2014 (UTC)

DA"I dialogue
Not sure where your getting your dialogue text from but here are some videos of party banter if you need them.

https://www.youtube.com/user/jellobell/videos I find Dorian's comments on the orb to be particularly interesting please reply to my talk page if this was helpful. --FossilLord 15:59, November 28, 2014 (UTC)

References for story necessary?
I noticed that in a recent edit to Dagna(which he seems to think is minor but was pretty extensive) Sapphirewind gave some really good extended story information, but he thought it was necessary to link to a YouTube video that shows it in the game. Is this level of referencing necessary as a new policy, or is he just being overly thorough? AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 10:25, December 2, 2014 (UTC)


 * No, I think that once the game is out, there's no need to provide a reference for info that can be readily found in the game. 10:46, December 2, 2014 (UTC)

Icon Images
Hey Kelcat, do you know how one creates an icon image to use on conflict pages and tables and iconmini links etc. I just realized we need an icon image version of the Inquisition crest, the Red Templars and the Venatori.

- 03:06, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I have no idea how to create icons. I usually just cadge the ones already uploaded to the wiki. -- 03:14, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

Bored vandal
So this guy must've been really bored on this page, putting up nonsense on the page twice so far. Thought I'd let you know. -- 19:49, December 6, 2014 (UTC)


 * He's got good taste in music Taken care of, thanks for letting me know. -- 20:44, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

At least he had the courtesy to mark it as Vandalism in his edit notes. That should at least earn him some points, right? AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 03:59, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Haha, absolutely! -- 04:39, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Possible Problem
Uh not genuinely sure this warrants an admin's intervention but is talking about assaulting members of the dev team ban worthy ? I don't know how you handle threats here.

-146.185.28.61 (talk) 03:33, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Personal attacks and threats against anyone is absolutely a violation of our Code of Conduct. Is there an issue going on somewhere? -- 03:38, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * On the latest news blog this one user is going on some weird rants and talking about punching members of Bioware's staff.

-146.185.28.61 (talk) 03:42, December 7, 2014 (UTC)


 * Okay, just saw it. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. -- 03:47, December 7, 2014 (UTC)

Hello
Can I talk to you in chat? JuliaIsSad2 (talk) 00:51, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't actually use the chat, for various reasons. You can leave a message here, or you can [mailto:kelcatsmail@gmail.com email me] if you prefer. -- 00:57, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

I insist you join the chat. I don't feel like emailing you and what I have to say is not for public display. JuliaIsSad2 (talk) 00:59, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry, it doesn't work like that. -- 01:03, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

What you're asking is illogical. Why should I have to email you? This wiki has a perfectly functional chat system where disputes like these can be sorted out. Just get in the chat, princess. JuliaIsSad2 (talk) 01:05, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * I don't take kindly to harrassment, and seeing as how your history on this wiki has so far consisted of harrassing me, harrassing another user, and edit warring, I'm not inclined to have an unrecorded conversation. I'll ask you once to change your behavior, after that you will be blocked. -- 01:08, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Ahahaha. Bitch, you have no idea who you're dealing with. Block me and you'll find out, though. JuliaIsSad2 (talk) 01:11, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

What Year
Hey what year does inquisition's story start in? - 03:53, December 8, 2014 (UTC)


 * It starts in 9:40 04:14, December 8, 2014 (UTC)

Dragon Age CCA
Hi Kelcat,

I was hoping to ask a favor from you in regards to the Community Choice Awards that we will be doing for Dragon Age Inquisition. We are looking for 6 categories for community members to vote on. Since I have yet to play the game, I was hoping you would be able to suggest some categories that would be appropriate/relevant.

For an example/clarification, click here.

Thanks for any advice and help,

Knakveey (talk) 00:10, December 9, 2014 (UTC)Knakveey


 * Sure! I haven't finished the game yet, but I can provide a few ideas.


 * Best companions
 * Best romances
 * Best/Most beautiful world environment
 * Best story
 * Best lore/history


 * Hope that helps! -- 00:37, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Corypheus Article
Hey someone's apparently been leaving unmarked spoilers all over the Corypheus article and has also DRAMATICALLY gone over the quote limit while ignoring all guidelines about quote notability and redundancy. Could you possibly give it a fix up and a trim? I would do it myself but now im terrified of spoiling inquisition for myself if I look at it. - 01:10, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure thing. I think I'm far enough into the game that it won't spoil me. -- 01:16, December 9, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks Kelcat.

- 01:17, December 9, 2014 (UTC)

Stalker/Vandal
Help, Kelcat, the stalker (or their accomplice, that's possible too) is back, creating dummy accounts and pages on the Wiki! EDIT: The vandal, has been dealt with, for the moment at least. Marge called for one of the VSTF guys, Dragon Rainbow. Saba0th (talk) 18:51, December 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for letting me know, glad they were able to take care of it! -- 19:40, December 10, 2014 (UTC)


 * They're back already! Help! EDIT: Looks like the VSTF have taken care of it already. --Saba0th (talk) 20:45, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

You're on me like white on rice Hippygod1 (talk) 18:54, December 12, 2014 (UTC)Hippygod1

DAI date
The DAI codex entry, Codex entry: Divine Justinia V (Inquisition), where 9:40 Dragon is said to be the date of the conclave may be a typo (in the game, not the wikia). Codex entry: The Conclave is a letter written by Justinia V seemingly prior to the conclave, but is dated 9:41. It may be possible the conclave was called in 9:40 but not actually held until 9:41 (allows for travel time during a war?). Dragon Age: Last Flight also apparently takes place in 9:41 and its summary says the Mage-Templar War is ongoing at the time. I think there may be other DAI codex entries that use 9:41, but I may be mistaken.184.57.236.69 (talk) 20:34, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

There's also a War Table mission called Judgment: Duchess in a Box Tour 9:41 that you get after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts. Of tangential interest is another War Table mission, The Arl of Redcliffe, available after In Your Heart Shall Burn. Can't remember the exact text, but the result says that the Inquisition can take all they want from a mine until the holiday of Wintersend. Taken together, the events of DAI may span the initial months of 9:41.184.57.236.69 (talk) 21:46, December 12, 2014 (UTC)


 * I suppose it would be too much to ask for BioWare to create anything Dragon Age without at least one date error . I looked at the Conclave codex entry and you're right. Looks like a lot of other codex entries have the date 9:41, as well. I'll make a note on Justinia's codex entry about the discrepency. -- 21:54, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Codex: Tutorials (Inquisition), adding the different consoles' controls
Hey Kelcat, I started to add the PC controls to codex entries, but before I continue, can you confirm that this is the way it should look like? http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_entry:_World_Travel

I have seen somewhere that people also added icons.. (not very used to writing the conditional sections yet) <- Kewpies (talk) 16:15, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Yep, that looks exactly right. -- 20:31, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Schematics page
Hey, I'm not sure how to go around starting to update the Schematics page, and it sure needs some updating since it's awfully empty. I raised my issue with how to start updating it on the talk page, and I'd welcome any opinion on the matter! -- 08:22, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * Sure, I'll take a look. Not sure how much I can add, but I'll give it a go :) -- 22:57, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

New Category
Hey do you think it is worthwhile creating a new category for Dragon Age: Inquisition multiplayer locations? - 12:49, December 17, 2014 (UTC)


 * I'm addicted to categories, so I say go for it. -- 22:57, December 17, 2014 (UTC)

Otranto
I think that edit may actually have been in good faith and they just did not about the stub tag. - 05:10, December 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, really? It didn't sound familiar to me at all--is it a person or place or something? -- 06:45, December 20, 2014 (UTC)


 * nvm, just saw the article you made. I must have overlooked that guy. I'll unblock the user, as it's clear it wasn't vandalism. Thanks for pointing it out! -- 06:50, December 20, 2014 (UTC)

Vulgar Vandalism on Logging Stand page
I found very vulgar vandalism on the Logging stand page by http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/68.97.62.89 I have corrected it (had to load and republish an older edit, since he'd done multiple edits to do his vandalism), but I thought I should give you a heads up to ban the IP or such admin things. AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 00:31, December 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Got it, thanks for cleaning it up! 00:35, December 24, 2014 (UTC)

Conflict spoilers
Sorry to bother you a second time. To what degree are articles about conflicts exempt from rules about displaying spoilers? The conflict articles I read, such as Mage-Templar War and Fifth Blight, lack any spoiler tags whatsoever. When I made the article war against Corypheus, I followed their example. Today however, some users have brought up on the talk page that having "Corypheus" in the article title is a spoiler. While this may be true, if the content of an article about a conflict is exempt from needing to protect users from spoilers, isn't the title of that article also exempt? Or did I presume too much when I came up with that title?184.57.236.69 (talk) 20:22, December 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * The conflict articles themselves have traditionally been exempt from using spoiler tags, however I don't believe we have a concrete policy regarding whether that extends to article titles. I'll take a look at the discussion when I can and see if I can add any input. -- 23:36, December 24, 2014 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will abide by your decision.184.57.236.69 (talk) 00:01, December 25, 2014 (UTC)

Untitled
This guy spammed some pages, already banned him from the chat but needs to get banned on the wiki too before spamming more. Returning troll so if you have any way to ban him by his IP that could potentially help with him not coming back too soon. If you can't that's okay, just mentioning just in case :P -- 18:37, December 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * Looks like someone already got it, but thanks for the heads up :D -- 21:11, December 26, 2014 (UTC)

Multiplayer Articles
Hey Kelcat, I can now confirm that the Multiplayer characters do have unique dialogue and banter both for themselves and with eachother. They also seem to have unique armour sets, to whit. Do you think it's worth creating Dialogue pages for them like we have for the single player companions? - 04:28, December 30, 2014 (UTC)


 * Oh, I think that'd be a good idea! I've been contemplating getting one together for the Inquisitor, too, like we have for Hawke, but it would probably be a big undertaking. -- 04:47, December 30, 2014 (UTC)

Referencing?
Someone else noticed that the http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Staff_of_the_Dragon page said it was available to those who pre-ordered, but he did not pre-order so I corrected the page to match the other page, however while I felt leaving the reference in was best... I'm not sure how to do it properly... so I kind of screwed up the bottom of the page. Could you check it out and also let me know what I need to do to make references work? AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 08:29, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Good news, I figured it out! :D Happy New Year! AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 08:37, January 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Glad you got it working! Happy New Year's to you too! -- 21:52, January 1, 2015 (UTC)

Codex entry: The Lost City of Barindur
Is this actually in Inquisition? Because my source was one of the tabletop books.

- 07:14, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yeah, it's 103 in the Tales section. I forgot to update the article when I renamed it, though. Seems they're recycling codexes from old sources; a lot of them were in World of Thedas, too. -- 07:25, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * Makes sense, you've got to retain some of the information for new users. Thanks Kelcat! Also, have you found a codex entry for Nevarra & Orlais and Queen Asha of Antiva?

- 10:09, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll have to look and see. -- 17:32, January 3, 2015 (UTC)


 * I don't have the codex entry, but someone did dump the raw data of the game here. Do a search of "Queen Asha of Antiva". It refers to her as a "minor princess of Rivain" and that her statue has "Rivaini royal garb". So... that seems like good evidence that Ayesleigh is in Antiva, yes? I'll have to keep an eye out and see if I can find the codex in this playthrough. -- 05:51, January 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Asha was Queen of Antiva but she is originally from Rivain. That's why. I think Ayesleigh is in Rivain.

- 06:13, January 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * asdfdsf Yeah, I totally meant to say that Ayesleigh is in Rivain -- 06:19, January 6, 2015 (UTC)

Unnamed topic
Hi there, you recently undid a revision of mine to a link to rpg-gaming.com/daisc.html

Whilst you are correct there technically *is* information on the wiki relating to dai: skills a) it's not all consolidated and in one page b) none of it is linked on the main dai page, c) nor is it easily accessible without navigating through dozens of other entries and d) the page offers more than just the ability to view existing skills, it is a fully blown skill calculator / build planning tool for the game which is a feature that is not offered anywhere else. As such I fail to see how it is not a relevant external link.

Regards,

Koth76


 * Hey! All of the info in that link can be found on Abilities (Inquisition), with links to the more detailed pages, which actually better covers the info than that site. I'm currently restructuring the main Inquisition article to make it easier to find this info. As far as the site being a planning caculator, well, it's not even remotely user-friendly; it provides no instructions on how to use it, or really what its purpose is. As such, I fail to see how it's a helpful enough tool as to warrant a need for a link to it. -- 04:37, January 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * That Abilities (Inquisition) is great for sure! However you have to drill down into each individual page to see the details which is both time consuming, tedious and unncessary. I understand you're the moderator so for sure you have the final word, but it seems a little overbearing to say the site has no value at all. Yes it lacks full instructions, but anyone that has played the game can work out click on a skill to allocate a point, etc, click on the export button to export the build. Anyway, your call.--Koth76 (talk) 04:43, January 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Nah, I'm just an admin, I don't get final word on anything . I've added the link in the "External links" section at the bottom of the article so that it's available, but isn't the focus of the Skills section of the main article. I did try playing around with the calculator and couldn't figure it out myself, but perhaps those more knowledgable than me will get some use from it. -- 04:53, January 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ahh, all good. Actually that's a better place for the link anyway and where I should have put it in the first place. Thanks for that :) Koth76 (talk) 05:03, January 5, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! -- 05:51, January 5, 2015 (UTC)

Unnamed topic 2
Would David Gaider himself be considered a proper source on the translation of amatus? http://i62.tinypic.com/140ls0h.jpg 69.120.122.66 (talk) 12:08, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Absolutely! 12:15, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

the tag! :)
Hey! I just wanted to say that I've seen you editing some songs and texts which are poems, and that there is a tag which means you dont have to type "br" all the time. I found it out on some older page some weeks ago and its very neat, so I thought I'd share it. Hope it helps. Kewpies (talk) 22:15, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Oh, nice! I had no idea we had that tag.Thanks for letting me know about it! -- 22:19, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Bot
Hey! My bot is up and running again. If you need it, just leave a message on my talk page. 22:29, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Wonderful! Consensus on the location forum is leaning towards taking "The" out of all location names, so I'll definitely have a use for the bot. -- 23:14, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Offensive post
Hey, sorry to bother you, but User:Believe it! posted a forum that's being seen as rather offensive by quite a few people (with good reason in my opinion). I'd point out the the offensive parts, but I have a feeling they're not too difficult to spot. A large amount of the content on the post seems to be based around sexism, in addition to a blatant disregard for other's opinions. There are several parts of the forum that describe women as being weak and inferior. Anywho, the forum's here if you'd be willing to take a look. -- 23:22, January 11, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this up, I will definitely look into it. -- 23:32, January 11, 2015 (UTC)

Crafting Materials DA:I
If you know the person who maid the template for Dragon Age: Inquisition Crafting Materials, I would like if he added a image option as well for it, as oppose to the one icon option we have. I would like to post images for several cloth textures from the game if the option would have risen. --Tesla Effect (talk) 04:35, January 12, 2015 (UTC)


 * I believe it was User:Mostlyautumn who made those, he should be able to help you out. -- 04:48, January 12, 2015 (UTC)

size of codex images
Hey again :) I was trying out the size of 270x360 pixels for my recent codex editing and I'm wondering what do you think about this size instead of just giving one-dimensional 270px? It's not a big deal, but the 270 ones are imo rather huge. I mean, these pics are not *that* interesting to look at. It was recommended by User:Mostlyautumn, and although primarily for quests, perhaps it could work for codexes as well? Kewpies (talk) 09:37, January 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * That sounds good. I'm not the best judge of what image sizes look good, so if you think that size looks best, go for it -- 21:55, January 16, 2015 (UTC)

Location Names Forum
Hey sorry, just got the internet working again after 3 weeks at last. What are the outstanding points at issue? - 04:23, January 17, 2015 (UTC)


 * Ack! I don't know how I'd survive without internet for that long! Anyway, the consensus is leaning towards removing "The" from all location articles (with possible specific exceptions), but more voices would be helpful before we implement this semi-big change to the guidelines. 08:18, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Krem and Qunlat
Hello, I recently made an account because I wanted to make an edit to Krem's wiki page. After a little sleuthing, it seems to me you are the person to contact about such an edit. I hope I am not accidentally breaking wiki etiquette.

I would appreciate if the line "Krem is described by Iron Bull as fitting the Qunari concept of "Aqun-Athlok", which effectively means "born as one gender but living like another."" was removed from the beginning of Krem's wiki entry. The term itself is transphobic as it implies that trans people aren't REALLY the gender they say they are and are pretenders and liars. As a trans person this term is very hurtful to me and it is especially disturbing to see it right at the beginning of a trans man's wiki entry.

If the term/sentence cannot be completely removed from his page I ask that it at least be moved to the trivia section. As Krem is not Qunari and a Qunari slur for trans people is not part of his background. If this is acceptable I also ask that you change the line to something like: "Krem is referred to by Iron Bull as "Aqun-Athlok," a Qunari term, which effectively means "born as one gender but living as another." However, this is disrespectful and incorrect as Krem is a man living as a man."

Thank you and best regards. --Drusus21 (talk) 07:06, January 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for bringing this up, and welcome to the wiki! I can definitely understand that transphobic comments can be hurtful, and it's certainly something we want to avoid. We've discussed this a few times, and what it boils down to is the translation of the term in Qunlat. In fact, that's why I had originally put "translates as", not sure why it got changed to "effectively means". We try to keep things on the wiki neutral as well, so while I can see why you'd want to put something about the term being disrespectful, it's not really our place to add commentary such as that. I hesitate to comment about whether or not the phrase is in fact a slur, as I don't believe that's how it was intended by BioWare. I know the writer did say that he shared the stuff he wrote with others beforehand to make sure he wasn't being offensive. Regardless, I'm not transgender, so it certainly isn't fair for me to say that it's not offensive.


 * I'm not opposed to moving that info out of the beginning of his background section; the characters in the game don't make a big deal out of his gender, so there's no real reason for us to do so either (which is why I locked the page to begin with). Moving it to the trivia sounds fine to me, but I do still think we need to define what it means, and state that this is the Qunari translation of the phrase. From past discussions, this has seemed to be the best compromise to present information that's in the game in as straightforward and unbiased a manner as possible. It doesn't feel right to leave it out completely, but it doesn't need to be prominent. I will move it to the trivia and try to word it a bit better. I hope this helps. -- 07:26, January 24, 2015 (UTC)

Category:Dragon Age: Inquisition notes images
Thanks for this - the number of images is getting crazy. I had been thinking it was a good idea but was too indecisive to do it! -- Ness csr (talk) 08:38, February 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Sure thing! It took me awhile to decide what to name it :D -- 08:52, February 1, 2015 (UTC)

The user AFreeMarcher is a sockpuppet account of NutMeg29. Block it. MegTheGeek (talk) 01:41, February 2, 2015 (UTC)

Abusive chatmod and wrongful ban from the chat
Hello. I'm new on this wiki and decided to join the chat and talk to the users here, not knowing what to expect. My expectations were not too high, but I certainly didn't expect this kind of treatment.

Firstly, I would like to point out that these are screenshots from the Main Chat, taken just moments after being banned for no reason by the chatmod Margerard (who I think is one of the worst mods I've seen on wikia). Like I said, I got into chat and the first comment I made was immediately met with hostility by two users, Jaeha and EzzyD.

After this initial wave of hostility and outright rudeness by these two, the mod Margerard chose to intervene and went on to support the rudeness by exclusively warning me, after a long back and of forth of nothing but pure bias. Mods are supposed to be impartial, but it's obvious in this case that Margerard is not very competent as a chatmod and immediately showed bias towards the regular users, probably due to friendly relations with them. They even went on to sarcastically tell me I should "take some time off" before banning me for 3 days, because of being treated with hostility, as if it was somehow me who was the problem. Pretty pathetic display for a mod, I have to say.

Taking all this into account, I'd like to ask two questions and make two requests. First off, why is Margerard a moderator when it's obvious that this person is terrible at being impartial and having a good judgement/assuming good faith/being welcoming to new users. Secondly, why are the users in chat so rude? I reckon it's probably due to them knowing they will have Margerard's support no matter what they do, so it's pretty clear to me that they're not worried about any repercussions. My request is for the ban that was placed on me to be lifted, as I have proven that it was definitely not deserved at all. I would ask for Margerard's demotion as well. Thanks. TRedfield (talk) 21:57, February 7, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, the admins will look into this when we get a chance. -- 23:52, February 7, 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! The sooner the better. Now what about that ludicrous chatban? TRedfield (talk) 00:12, February 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * It stays until I have a chance to look everything over. That's just standard practice. -- 00:22, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough then. But let it be clear that I am requesting the demotion of this person from the status of Chat Moderator once you've reviewed all of the things you need to review. TRedfield (talk) 00:28, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

This is going to be long, because I want to make sure I cover everything here.

Margerard was able to provide me with a complete chat log, covering the time you entered the chat to the time you were booted. You’ve asked for two things: to have your block lifted, and to demote Margerard as a chat mod.

Your block. After reading the entire log I have come to the conclusion that you did indeed violate our Code of Conduct, and that Margerard was justified in giving you a short block. Here’s our Code of Conduct so that you can look it over. I can see several different things that you clearly violated, most of them under the parts about incivility.

Let’s break down the parts under “Identifying incivility”: (a) Rudeness, insults, name-calling, gross profanity or indecent suggestions You quite clearly called Jaeha “stupid or 7” which is most certainly name-calling. It doesn’t matter if a user was rude to you first, incivility is not acceptable in any circumstances. The “he started it” excuse doesn’t cut it.

(c) Ill-considered accusations of impropriety You took a single comment, “keep dreaming”, and blew it completely out of proportion. Rather than giving the user the benefit of the doubt that their comment was possibly ill-considered or unintentionally rude, you immediately launched into an attack of your own.

(d) Belittling a fellow editor, including the use of judgmental edit summaries or talk-page posts This applies to how you treated Margerard in the conversation, specifically when you asked her “I’m sorry, is this your first day on the job, Margerard?” And of course your comments above where you call her "incompetent" and "pathetic".

(d) Quoting another editor out of context to give the impression they hold views they do not hold, or to malign them. It is of great concern to me that you included only 4 screenshots of a lengthy conversation, rather than recording it in its entirety. You left out all of the instances when you were rude, and kept only the parts that you felt made you look good and the others look bad. You left out the parts where Margerard repeatedly asked you to drop the issue and move on. You left out the part where Margerard commented to Ezzy that his comments were not helping the situation. You left out the part where you were warned that you would be blocked if you continued your behaviour. Whether it was intentional or not, this does not make you look good. So I support Margerard’s ban completely, especially since it's a very short ban.

Now, to address your request to have Margerard demoted from the position of chat moderator.

It is not within my power--nor the power of any other administrator on this wikia--to unilaterally demote someone from an administrative or moderator position. We simply do not have that type of authority. If you believe that Margerard deserves to be demoted, you need to make a proper proposal to be voted on in order to come to a community consensus. That means making a topic in the forum with your proposal, describing your position and providing details. Then it would be open to a vote by the community, and after 7 days the proposal would be closed, and a decision made based on the votes. -- 01:41, February 8, 2015 (UTC)

Here are just some obvious observations as pertains to the first part of your response, about the lifting of the block and whether it should have been issued in the first place or not:


 * That I got into chat, made one single comment and was instantly bombarded with negative responses and inhospitable behavior by two users does not in any way make me feel bad for the comment I made towards Jaeha. If you read the logs as you say you did, you know that Jaeha's behavior was provocative to say the least and downright rude. Being a new user, I had not taken a look at the code of conduct for this wiki yet, so I didn't imagine "stupid" was such a severe word that could lead to a 3 day ban. I have to say, this is the first and only wiki I know that has such strict rules on words in the chat. Taking into account the context, I also don't think it's fair to tell me that the "he started it" excuse won't fly when the real question that needs to be raised (and answered) here is why Jaeha felt the need to be rude in the first place. Honestly, if he hadn't come off as a rude and hostile user I would not have had to respond in such a way. Again, why am "I" being punished when I wasn't even the one who started the argument in the first place? Most mods I know would have either warned the instigator on the spot or banned them if the argument kept going (as it did) but instead you support the banning of the "victim"/recipient of the rudeness here. I don't know what's up with that, care to explain your train of thought?


 * "You took a single comment, “keep dreaming”, and blew it completely out of proportion. Rather than giving the user the benefit of the doubt that their comment was possibly ill-considered or unintentionally rude, you immediately launched into an attack of your own". Honestly, I had to read this twice to make sure I'm reading correctly. Are you actually implying that I should have looked the other way and sucked it up when another user was being rude to me in chat? I'm sorry, but this is just outright ridiculous of you to suggest. The chat is supposed to be a place where users can talk to each other, always assuming good faith and being nice (the "be nice" rule being one of the fundamental wikia ToU policies), so they can get a decent conversation going. Pardon me if I'm mistaken, but Jaeha and EzzyD's behavior was all but that. They were both rude, unnecessarily hostile towards a new user and just downright unwelcoming, all because of what? An opinion they did not agree with, I assume. And if I'm also not mistaken, the role of a chat moderator is to make sure that things in chat run smoothly, by ensuring that all parties maintain the good faith and nicety towards each other, so civilized conversations can be produced. I agree that my comment was not nice either, but what is the point of being nice to someone who's clearly disrespecting you and disregarding your opinion so rudely? Once again, don't get why those two are let of the hook while I get the punishment. Makes no sense at all.


 * "This applies to how you treated Margerard in the conversation, specifically when you asked her “I’m sorry, is this your first day on the job, Margerard?” And of course your comments above where you call her "incompetent" and "pathetic"." This is clearly a misconception on your part, whether purposely misinterpreted or not. My comment is a legitimate question to a moderator who I deemed to be completely incompetent (I have every right to evaluate moderators based on their decisions). You trying to make this out to be "belittling" is purely your own assuming bad faith about me, which is not cool, as you as an admin are supposed to assume good faith at all times. This is not the first time you assumed bad faith about me while reviewing this, so that's also something I dislike about this review of yours.


 * "Quoting another editor out of context to give the impression they hold views they do not hold, or to malign them. It is of great concern to me that you included only 4 screenshots of a lengthy conversation, rather than recording it in its entirety. You left out all of the instances when you were rude, and kept only the parts that you felt made you look good and the others look bad. You left out the parts where Margerard repeatedly asked you to drop the issue and move on. You left out the part where Margerard commented to Ezzy that his comments were not helping the situation. You left out the part where you were warned that you would be blocked if you continued your behaviour. Whether it was intentional or not, this does not make you look good. So I support Margerard’s ban completely, especially since it's a very short ban." I don't know why you keep assuming such bad faith about me. I explained that I only took a few screenshots that show the clear hostility and bad judgement. I was banned a minute or two after getting the screenshots (for no specific reason other than I should take some time(?)), so really, that's all I could get within the time limit. Since you're able to check the chat logs at any time and uncover everything at your own leisure, I didn't think it would be a big deal. Apparently you planned on using every little thing against me in your bad faith review of my ban. Nice.

I'm not sure whether I want to start a counter-argument to why it is a horrible idea to hold a public demotion thread for Margerard's demotion request, if it's not obvious enough why that's a terrible idea, I'll just mention the fact that Margerard has been here for a very long time and is bound to be besties with most of the people here by now. At least that's the vibe I got after this little incident today. Clearly you want Margerard to stay a chatmod, either because you don't care if she abuses her rights or because it suits your little agenda (whatever that may be). Regardless of that, I'd like a response to my counterpoints above. TRedfield (talk) 02:12, February 8, 2015 (UTC)


 * I honestly didn't see Jaeha's initial comment to you to be rude at all. Again, all they said was "keep dreaming". Perhaps a bit brisque, but not really rude. And you jumped into full counter-attack mode because of it. I don't see three people being hostile towards you, I see one person making a comment that you took offense to and you then launching into an attack towards several other users. You don't have to turn the other cheek if someone insults you, real or perceived. You can, however, express your dissatisfaction without being rude as well. People aren't required to be nice to you, even in chat. They're just required to be civil. Margerard and Isolationistmagi are the two active mods on the chat, if you feel that Ezzy or Jaeha should be blocked for this issue, take that up with them.

I didn't assume bad faith against you. I read the entire conversation and made a decision. I am very welcoming of new users, though I understand you may not realize that since this is your first venture here. Regardless, I didn't go into the situation believing you were in the wrong, but red flags were immediately raised when it was obvious your screenshots were not consecutive. You say you only had a short time to take them, and that may be true, but you sure didn't volunteer any of the missing info to me when you first brought this up.

Regardless of whether or not you believe a consensus is the best course of action to demote someone, I'll reiterate that I cannot and will not demote someone of my own volition. As far as I know, Margerard isn't best buddies with every single user of the wiki. She's popular on the chat, but there's no conspiracy going on here. I would take offense at being accused of having an agenda, but since my only agenda is to contribute positively to this wiki and keep it at the very high standards it has achieved over the years, I am proud of that agenda. This is a wiki first and foremost, not a chat site. The chat moderator made a decision based on what happened within the chat, and I have found no reason to overrule it. Again, it was a 3-day ban that you are blowing out of proportion. As far as I'm concerned, this issue has been taken care of and is over. Perhaps the other admins will respond to you differently, but this is my final say on the matter. -- 02:50, February 8, 2015 (UTC)