User talk:Loleil/Archive 10

The Joy of Vandalism
Looks like this anonymous user could do with a stern talking to. Or maybe a stern caning (do they still allow that? ) --vom 21:47, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * A stern banning has been delivered ;). 00:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since you seemed to enjoy that, I've found another one for you. I aim to please! --vom 02:07, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also done, though I accidentally blocked blocked Wikia in the process! 02:11, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it would probably benefit from a good blocking now and then! I know I'd be tempted, but then again I should go to sleep. --vom 02:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just hope it doesn't retaliate, but you sleep well . 02:24, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

New Account
Hi,

I did as you suggested and signed up for an account =) I was http://dragonage.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:60.242.97.167&redirect=no&action=purge

How do I then merge that unregistered one with mine?

Thavidu 13:35, April 26, 2010 (UTC)thavidu

Style Guide
I was going to reply to the last editor on the exploits talk page who's complaining about their edit to the article being reverted (even though it wasn't by me). For the record, I agree with the reversion, whatever their particular reasons: I think the edit in question was neither encyclopaedic nor well formatted, meaning someone else would have to clear it up later if it wasn't reverted, arguably involving perhaps more effort than the information warrants. I admit I tend to take a dim view of a clearup that involves more effort than the original edit, but that said, I think pointing it out in those terms is rather unhelpful and not really conducive to a community spirit. I thought instead I'd aim them at the style guide, which would be of interest if they're genuinely interested in helping... only I couldn't find it! I admit I'm good at not seeing what's right in front of me, but if that's not the case, maybe it could be placed somewhere prominent, such as the main page; what do you think? --vom 16:47, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes it seems like the right decision to revert and here are some links for you Dragon Age Wiki: Editing Guidelines and the Dragon Age Wiki: Manual of Style. They are both linked on the "My Home" page under community corner, and they are supposed to be linked on the welcome template, but for some reason it doesn't update. I'll add in some links to the front page though. Who knows how many people will actually use them, but at least it's a start. 02:20, April 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * The main page links will be very useful, I think. Thanks! --vom 03:37, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Unable to save the answer to a question ?
yello everyone, for some reason i cant seem to answer a question called :

"If i have a dagger in off hand +10% backstab, will this apply to my sword in main hand, the one that backstab? "

For whatever reason that page just wont let me save the answer >.< Any help would be appreciated.

Joy of Vandalism part Deux
Another one for you. I think strong words, with just a hint of disembowelment. --vom 18:03, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooo that one was a repeat offender who I missed first time round! I just went with a block, but next time there shall be more than a hint of virtual disembowelment. 05:52, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Only "virtual"? You're just no fun. :D --vom 10:42, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Needs checking, annoyingly, but I think we have another "inserting incorrect information" vandal here. --vom 22:21, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just had a look and the info from the unregistered was incorrect, but it always a bit harder to be sure sure of ill intent for things like that. I shall leave a message on their talk page so hopefully they'll stick to the straight and narrow! 06:50, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I must admit I wasn't even sure where to look, which is why I didn't--I just noticed that the stats added up to a different total than the others. I have such fun ways of spending my evenings! --vom 07:40, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe I know how you feel. I just started up a new game to do the checking. 07:44, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's the sort of advanced investigation technique that would never occur to me! Not before my morning bucket of coffee, anyway. --vom 07:46, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Must be all the Diet Coke I've downed that has made me such a genius . 08:03, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Bah! Looks like we have another one... --vom 14:08, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Something for the News section! :)
Hi there!

Just thought the news section might want to note that PS3 firmware 3.30 is making DA:O and Awakening freeze up at random.

It's been covered on Joystiq http://www.joystiq.com/2010/04/26/ps3-dragon-age-players-report-firmware-3-30-crashing/

I'm also active on the thread in Bioware's support forum http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/68/index/2379427/

They're talking with Sony and have their QA people all over it, but apparently the issue can't be reproduced on their dev kits, only on retail versions of the PS3 which is why they're having a hard time pinning it down and looking for as much info as possible from people experiencing the crashes (without the dev kits able to replicate it, they don't have nearly as many log files and other information to pick apart to find the issue faster).

So, I thought the (DA on PS3) community could use an FYI on this, and perhaps a warning to hold off on updating their firmware until Bioware gets a patch out the door.

PS: Thanks for admining this valuable resource. I don't know how many quests it's helped me though. ;)

MacCoder

PC/XBOX360 etc tags
I've noticed these things inserted all over the place; is there currently a standard for them, and if there isn't, should there be? I'm not entirely convinced about them, but since editors seem to like referring to the platform in question, I guess they're here to stay! Well, except for the "(i tested thiss on my xbox YAY and ur wrong and u suk hur hur)" type additions you sometimes see, anyway.

Ahem. Back to the point, if there isn't already a standard, should we create one, perhaps such that, and  neatly write PC , XBOX/360 and PS3 or something to that effect? If people really want to use them, at least they'll look a bit neater, more consistent and easier to spot. Just a thought, anyway! --vom 16:28, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

PC, XBOX/360 , PS3 Wo0o0o0oo0oo! Fy can  [ fahy - kan ] @ 04:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC) I actually think this design ( PC XBOX/360 PS3 ) is better suited for Pages with many of these Symbols listed such as Awakening Bugs Unsorted & Messy / Awakening Bugs Sorted & Beautiful to look at. The use of White Color Frame doesn't cause the difference in Color to bleed into each other as much =/ Fy can  [ fahy - kan ] @ 10:37, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe your impersonation is scarily accurate. Anyhow I like your idea, so go forth and create! 01:04, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I LOVE this idea! We should Totally DO IT!
 * Well, for better or worse, I've gone ahead and done it now - we need a slightly nervous-looking emote! Just to throw myself (or at least my idea) in at the deep end, I decided to apply it to the bugs page. A couple of things become apparent having done that: I'm not so sure that superscript is a good idea, certainly not between the "*" and the start of the description, so they should probably either be centre-aligned or go in braces or something; and the other is that XBOX/360 is a bit long, so I figure I should change it to either "XBOX" or "360". But rather than randomly faffing about, I thought I'd see what anyone else thinks first... --vom 09:54, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've managed to mostly contain my faffing about; there's some other possibilities here if anyone has any preferences... But I like the colour scheme regardless, my synaesthesic tendencies seem to suggest they're the appropriate hues for the tags in question. Yes, that is a rather odd thing to say, but it's odder to experience. --vom 17:46, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good work and nothing to worry about, your tags already have a fan and everything! I think my favourites are the centre aligned and the coloured boxes with the 360 title. 01:10, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * A fan? Eek! Er anyway, I've done that now, and even thrown in a free breakage and fix as part of the bargain. :D I think I'll leave them alone now, considering my preponderance to faff given half a chance... --vom 11:07, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey,
 * I think I agree with what you're saying; in addition, I also get a weird sort of "vertical misalignment" that the neutral-coloured border avoids, too. I think I'd like to wait for consensus before making further alterations, though, rather than risk to-ing and fro-ing, so if anyone wants to comment further... I suppose I should also resist the temptation to try taking ownership, so I could delegate the new templates to anyone interested, but I'm happy to go ahead make any changes people see fit (might be an idea to leave a comment on my talk page, though, since I'm winding down here for the time being--but of course that doesn't mean I object to maintaining stuff I've done!). --vom 15:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay let's give the white borders a whirl. 03:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion
I'd like to suggest a new Create Page Template for Runes and Tracings that follows the one I'm using in Grandmaster Hale Rune and Grandmaster Hale Rune Tracing. KigenAngelo 21:59, April 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've seen that you left Tierrie a message too. I think this a decision that is best made by him as a lot of the other crafting pages make use of various transformers which he is far better acquainted with. He is on holiday, but I don't think he'll be away too much longer. 01:04, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Prices for Backpacks in Merchant's Inventories
I just realised that the prices for backpacks in the inventories of all merchants except for the Ostagar Quartermaster are wrong. They are only a tenth of they are in the game. I wanted to correct this, but I'm not sure how the merchant inventory templates work. Is the price is taken from the Backpack page and multiplied by the Merchant's sale price factor? If this is true, correcting the price on the Backpack page from 50 to 5  should probably fix it for almost all Merchants, except the Ostagar Quartermaster of course... Anyway, pointing the problem out and asking for help instead of making changes based on speculations and possibly making things worse seemed like the right idea :) M.harmless 21:44, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I think you're right about how the prices work. I'm not sure how to deal with the different base prices for the quartermaster though, perhaps we can make the change and then just leave a note. Hmmm there must be a way to fix everything, I just can't think what ;-). 01:10, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ok, I put some thought into it and after one unsuccessful attempt, I think I found a way to make everything work (well everything with the backpack prices - not "everything everything"... ;)).


 * I changed the value on the Backpack page to 5, created a new Backpack (Ostagar) page for the lower valued version and changed the reference in the Ostagar Quartermaster inventory template to the new item page. I just hope that it is not considered "overkill" to create a new page for the main purpose of being referenced to from another page.


 * (At first I tried to simply include the cheaper backpack on the main Backpack page, but the reference from the inventory template seems to require a unique page with that title)
 * --M.harmless 10:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good thinking. I approve . 02:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, mission accomplished then. Thanks for your help. --M.harmless 11:57, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Hiatus
Just thought it would be polite to mention I may take another extended hiatus after my week of getting in everyone's way: as a subscriber of the "taking things far too seriously" school of thought, I find myself getting a bit stressed after periods of intense faffing about! But rather than just vanishing I thought I'd at least say that if the more regular cleaner-uppers are a bit thin on the ground or anything I've broken needs fixing, just leave me a message and I'll reappear: think of it as a sort of "bad-tempered summoning". :D --vom 11:41, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aww you shall be missed and you have most certainly not got in anyone's way. You're a gem of an editor and it's good to know you are only a message away . 02:03, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I always feel like I'm leaving chaos in my wake, though that's not always a bad thing! Thanks for the kind words; I think I should have a bit of a break now, but like I said, yell any time an extra pair of hands is needed. --vom 15:56, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well as long as you know you don't. ;-) 03:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

Fixes for Bugs
Some days ago I posted links to fixes for the bugs with the Masterpiece/Paragon Runes and the incomplete Blackblade Armor set on the relevant talk pages (Talk:Runes and Talk:Blackblade_Armor_Set).

Perhaps you (or someone else) could add the links to the articles also, since the bug fixes work and could help the players (at least on PC/Mac).

I don't want to do it myself, because 1. I think it's impolite to do that as the creator of these mods and 2. I don't know if that wouldn't be against the rules. Schwinni 16:12, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Linking to outside mods is a issue that hasn't really been discussed before, so we don't have definitive rules. I'll add a link, but it might be subject to change ;). 03:25, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help. The best situation would be if we could write "Fixed with Patch 1.04". ;) Schwinni 08:51, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

hey i am stuck on fighting the archdemon can anyone give me some advice plz

does any one know how to get effort armor

New Alistair Romance page
Alright, so I had major fun in using a mod that enabled my PC to have a homosexual relationship with Alistair and now I want to type up a homosexual romance page for Alistair. However there are a few things I have to ask from you.

1.) If I were to include a "How to do it?" section, it should inevitably contain a link or so to the mod I used, does it not? Is this allowed to be posted? Outside download links I mean?

2.) Another thing, wouldn't that ahem, offend, the wikia's more conservative gamers?

3.) I actually don't really know how to use the templates and stuff here at the wikia. So whatever garbage I create will probably have to be cleaned up by your team of wonderful editors

Thanks in advance Aedan Cousland Theirin 13:41, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Items Base Stats
hello, i'm just wondering where the actual infobox template is located for weapons and armour pages because it isn't Template:ItemTransformer. all of these pages' boxes are missing fundamental information: damage, armour penetration, crit chance, etc, even if they are filled in. Dch2404 15:50, May 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have a related question: While the information mentioned above is not displayed on the item pages (which I think it should), it is visible when the items are listed in "WeaponTable" templates. Yesterday when I created the page for Charlatan's Walking Stick and included it in the list of Awakening staves on the staves page. I realized that armor penetration is not displayed for it, and some of the other Awakening staves, even though it is included on the main item page. I checked the pages of the different staves to try and find out why this might be, but I don't have a clue so far and would like to know how this can be fixed? --M.harmless 12:04, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The AP for Charlatan has appeared after I added a new item to that list, basically the staves page has to be edited again for the information to update from the transclusion. Anyway I think Loleil is AWOL right now. Dch2404 12:15, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for unraveling that mystery. --M.harmless 13:03, May 9, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I've been out of town for the last few days. I think the ItemTransformer now draws solely from Template:ItemInfoBox. I'm not entirely familiar with the ins and outs of the transformer, but I'll see if I can get it working a little better. 23:58, May 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm well I'm out of ideas, but hopefully you'll have more luck than me ;). 00:17, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * hehe, you only put 3 }}} instead of 5 }}}}} at the end of "spellpower", but it all appears to be working fine now, e.g. Lightning Rod Dch2404 09:04, May 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * So I was within two curly brackets of getting it right? We current level of sleep I'll take that :). 07:29, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Wikia - Make a bot
I think it would be a good thing to consider making Wikia a bot (in essence, to remove its edits from the recent changes). I would say about half of the edits are from the instant welcoming, which can be removed at request to Wikia itself. It pretty much floods the recent changes, and makes it difficult to really maneuver around. Thanks!  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 05:06, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Seems like a reasonable suggestion. I've sent the request. 05:58, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks!  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 06:09, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a bot called User:Caridin, what can it do? Can it automatically update all the weapons, shields and armour pages to show the new information as detailed above? Dch2404 09:16, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * What exactly needs to be done?  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 09:22, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically (for a human), go to each weapon, shield and armour page, press edit then press save immediately without altering anything. This updates the infoboxes to display the new information. Can it be done? Dch2404 09:24, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am not sure that is necessary. I mean, all you would need to do is purge the page, but even then, you can wait on the servers to update the info themselves (that is how it works on independent wikis at least).  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 09:44, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Purging each individual page or editing it with no alterations, they would both do the same thing, i.e. both would require pages updated individually. Anyway how do you purge a page? Not sure if the server autoupdates, maybe someone else higher up can confirm that. Dch2404 15:55, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Purging a page is simple. First, you just click the 'Edit' button. And in the URL, you will get this:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Loleil&action=edit
 * All you have to do then is change edit to purge:

http://dragonage.wikia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Loleil&action=purge
 * Click 'Enter', and the page is purged. I am not sure there are any quick buttons, so this will be the way to go.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 16:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Pressing edit then save is still slightly quicker than purging, and purging still suffers from the same problem in that each page has to be done manually, it would be better if a bot were to do this. I really don't think the server auto updates, because I added an automatic category to every page with Template:FereldanConflicts but it has yet to be updated on every page using that template. Dch2404 16:34, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see any category on that template or on any of the pages. Which category do you want to add?  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 17:03, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * nevermind, i think i am offically going crazy (I swear I added it ages ago) :o anyhoo... Dch2404 18:23, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Well if the site doesn't auto-update the templates I believe the bot should be able to purge the pages. We just need someone to operate it! 07:29, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Bug found, can't find where to write it down...
Found out that if you reinstall the game, most unlocked specializations will dissapear... For example the shapeshifter specialization was locked, and when i spoke to morrigan, she declined to teach other (her approval was at 80+)... Same with templar from alistair and bard from Leliana. Didn't know where to write this down though...

Reidar666


 * I think Specializations is the most appropriate spot to place it, with bug, of course.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 11:55, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Some suggestions...
Hey Loleil! I have been thinking about ways to enhance the quality of the wiki; well, I have a lot of suggestions that I think would help. However, I won't dump them on you all right now. :) The first one is an update to MediaWiki:Recentchangestext. I have set up a base for an update in my sandbox. I think it would enhance the usability of the wiki, especially for newer members. I took the concept in my sandbox from a bunch of different wikis; obviously, we can make it unique to our wiki if we wish.

The second one is an IRC. I have felt that having an IRC on the wiki is a great way to meet other members of the wiki, talk about the wiki, have live interaction with other members about issues, help other members with game issues, and much more. Wikia currently isn't accepting applications (for lack of a better word) in order to get one hosted at their site, so we may have to rely on IRC clients for now, if it is decided to use one. I have been using freenode for over a year now, so I can set up one on there. I might stop by later to suggest some more minor ones. :)  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 09:03, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added more stuff into my sandbox so you can see where my head is at in terms of some tweaks to make the wiki look a little nicer.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 09:50, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello!


 * It's so great to have a experienced wiki editor to help out and am certainly happy to hear any suggestions you have (as long as you can deal with the fact I'm only semi-literate in codes ;)). I really like what you've done to make the Recent Changes bar more accessible so I'll go update it now.


 * As to point two, a while back a user started a Dragon Age IRC channel (see here) so I'm not sure if that one would work, or if it would be better to start a new one. It's not something I've ever used before, but it does sound like an feature that could be very helpful, so I'm willing to give it a go!


 * I like what your future suggestions too, and if you can work out how to remove the white borders from galleries I'll be very happy.


 * I'll look forward to hearing your future suggestions . 10:07, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, I set up the IRC channel. Freenode was being a pain, so I went ahead and used chatspike. It can be found here. It is a Dragon Age channel, so it will be open to anyone and everyone. It's a great way to get a nice community going. :) If you don't have an IRC client, I recommend IceChat for Windows and Colloquy for Macs, whichever you have. Once you get in there, I can help you with the registering and what not. We can then discuss the different things I think can help with the wiki.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 11:48, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Great. IceChat is installed and I'll await the tutorial. I'm feeling technically inept this week;). 05:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * The link in my previous post should take you there while IceChat is loaded. If not, use this page for details on how to do it. The server is irc.chatspike.net, port is 6667, and the room is #dragonage.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 08:25, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmm well I've managed to join something! 09:01, May 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I saw you join, but you left fairly quickly. Are you having problems with it?  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 09:04, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Gah! My internet dropped out. I think I've re-joined. 09:08, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

update frezing
some guy had a foul mouth and swore and said the c word, idk if u can get rid of it or block it but if you can, please do! hes the post above mine may 11th

IDTia 19:00, May 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Message now hidden. 05:38, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

License Templates
Okay, so I have finished these. Here they are:
 * cc-by-3.0
 * cc-by-sa-3.0
 * cc-by-nd-3.0
 * cc-by-nc-3.0
 * cc-by-nc-sa-3.0
 * cc-by-nc-nd-3.0
 * GFDL
 * GPL
 * PD
 * Non-free logo

Now the last one is interesting, since I plan on making a license where we give credit to Bioware. I wish to give credit to them by using their logo within a template, since I believe a low resolution logo of theirs would suffice fair use. It depends on how every thing is considered, since Wikia, Inc. is a for-profit organization. Also, I made Information, which can be seen here.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 01:03, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * And I figured out a tweak for the Recent Changes. You can find that here. :)  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 01:12, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking good (now I just refresh my memory on all the different licences ;)) and I shall add your new code, while hoping that it will work if it's placed at the bottom. 11:14, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I am not sure it worked, so meet me in the IRC. :)  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 11:45, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you meet me in the IRC again? I have a few things I would like to discuss.  05:44, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Pain, Jimmy eat world
An unregistered user made an [article] about the song. Can you delete it?
 * Done. If you want to nominate a page for deletion on the future you can use the delete template, . Also to link to a page within the site you can just enclose the page title within two square brackets, for example "Pain" by Jimmy Eat World, Futures - ) and don't forget to sign those talk page messages with four tildes (~)   03:34, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I don't know much in editing articles --Consoleds 03:54, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems. Maybe you might like to look at the tutorial. Some of it is a bit self explanatory, but it still has some useful info for when you're getting started. 04:15, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Yuriah merchant list complete
I think Yuriah's merchant list is now complete. Double check it and if so, it can be removed from the incomplete list
 * I've added some quantities and the initial list is looking good. Thanks for your help. 02:54, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just wanted to let you know that I moved Stormchaser Mail & Charlatan's Walking stick back to the initial inventory because they are available right from the start. Just double-checked this with several different characters on the version M.harmless 23:35, May 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just had a look again at my 3 characters (also on ) and they are definitely not there in the initial inventory so perhaps we have another bug on our hands. I shall leave a note on the Yuriah's page and see if we can work out what's happening. 01:28, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Seems like a bug (one way or the other). To be sure, I checked once more for all my characters (1 imported Warden and 3 Orlesian Grey Wardens). For all of them, the items appeared the first time Yuriah's inventory was opened. --M.harmless 01:46, May 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * It turned out not to be a bug after all. It depends on whether or not you save the "Terrified Merchant" during The Assault on Vigil's Keep. If you save him, Yuriah gets the first upgrade right from the start, including Stormchaser Mail & Charlatan's Walking. --M.harmless 22:08, May 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Good mystery solving M.harhless. Now, I'll have to try and find that poor merchant in my next playthrough ;). 01:31, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * :) You can find him up the stairs to the left of the main gate. Once you get close the darkspawn will attack him. If he's not there, they will have already killed him and you'll have to reload (I think the attack can be triggered without going up the stairs if you come to close. Without help, he won't survive long) --M.harmless 10:44, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Aha! I see him now. So not only have you solved a mystery, but you've saved a digital life. 23:59, May 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * --M.harmless 09:21, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Advertising Age interview
Hi Loleil. A reporter from Advertising Age is writing an article about how user-generated articles are becoming more valuable than paid-for articles. He wants to interview a couple Wikia editors to learn about their motivations to contribute to a wiki. You were one of the editors I suggested, so now I'm contacting you to see if you would be interested in participating. If not, just leave a reply on my talk page. If you are interested, send me an email and I will follow up there. Thanks. JoePlay ( talk ) 17:11, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

how do i change my avatar
its blank and i cant find a button to change it

thank you
for the help on my avatar

Followed Pages vs. Watchlist
Before the recent changes on wikia, I used to have a "Watchlist", where all the pages I followed were listed along with the most recent edit for each page. With the new "Followed Pages" replacement I can now see a categorized list of the pages I'm following, but I can't see whether one of these pages has been edited recently. Is there any way to get the old Watchlist view back, so I don't have to check every single page I'm following to see whether there has been new information added to it? M.harmless 10:26, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've just done some investigating and it looks like you can still access Special:Watchlist to see what's been happening, even though followed pages is the default. 10:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's great news! Makes things much easier :) --M.harmless 10:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Help
Excuse me, Loleil.

How do I add a little spoiler box, that, when clicked, will reveal the plot information?

Thanks in advance. :D

Sten
There seems to be a little tiff going on over on this page. Perhaps a short protection is in order.  Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 04:41, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea. I'll give it a week. 05:37, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Hey
Can you join me in the IRC? I have some fixes I would like to discuss. <span style="background:#131313; border:1px solid #222; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 02:02, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
Just spotted these 2 pages:
 * Name Here
 * The Battle at Fort Drakon

Maybe you could delete them (and possibly ban the one responsible: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.18.12.18)?

--M.harmless 15:30, May 21, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. Thanks for letting me know. 01:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. Is your talk page the proper place to post such things, or would you rather have me report this in another way in the future? --M.harmless 09:21, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S.: There seems to be another vandal on the lose...


 * You can use the "Report Problem" option of the bottom of any vandalised page, but letting me know is probably easiest solution. 02:25, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

recruiting people for vigil's keep
how many people they having you recruit to help out at the keep? i know of armaas and now lilith who else? so i know who to look for when i restart this game thanks


 * For Trade Must Flow? Armaas and Lilith are all you need. 02:25, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Block Templates

 * user-block1
 * user-block2
 * user-block3

I finally got around to making them. So use them whenever. :) <span style="background:#131313; border:1px solid #222; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 06:31, May 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let's hope I won't need to use them too soon ;). 06:34, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

More detailed sample pages / style guidelines?
During editing some of the quest pages, I occured to me that it might be a good idea to have sample pages similar to this one, but a little more specific, for some of the main types of pages, like e.g. quest pages, item pages, character pages, etc. There seems to be a certain amount of uncertainty and therefore discontinuity in the editing approach, like which type of sections to use and which information to put in which section. I often find myself browsing through older pages for reference, but I thought it would be helpful to have a general page archetype as guidelines that can be brought up-to-date, in case of future stylistic changes.

In a similar matter, I think it would help to have a reference page for the most recent versions of the various types of templates that should be used, especially if there are more than one for the same thing like for instance:


 * / vs. /


 * From what I have seen, it seems that both variants are currently in use.

Now, if such guidelines already exist and I was simply to inept to find them, please accept my apologies. Otherwise I would interested in what you think about this?

M.harmless 12:52, May 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * The lack of consistency between the various quest, character, and location pages is something that bothers me, but I've been unable to tackle it due to time poverty ;). Before any style pages are made I've wanted to improve the current defaults (in particular I'm not sure the "Background" heading adds much). But with a new admin on the horizon, and holidays in a couple of weeks hopefully it will be resolved soon.


 * With the approval templates it was decided to go with, though that's yet to be documented.  02:40, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I guess the categories could be debated. When editing quest pages, I found that Background, Walkthrough and Result have a tendency to overlap. Having a short summary of what the quest is about is a good thing IMO, but "Background" might not be the most fitting headline for that. As for "Result" its often difficult to decide what should go there that has not been already mentioned in the Walkthrough itself.


 * Just out of interest, as a wiki newbie, how does the decision process work for such things? Is there a forum debate, a vote, a admin judgement?


 * --M.harmless 21:53, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Glad I'm not alone in thinking it could be better . For quest pages I'd been thinking of having an introduction with no heading, then "Walkthrough" and using "Reward" instead of result.


 * In the past, most decisions which have such a widespread impact were discussed in the wiki forums. 22:10, May 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for explaining. Regarding the quest pages: Introduction/Walkthrough/Rewards sounds good to me and leaves less room for doubt :). --M.harmless 19:01, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Just updated Dragon Age Wiki: Templates, so that's a start made! 12:20, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's great, thanks! But wait, shouldn't you rather be studying... *criticallook* --M.harmless (talk) 14:18, June 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * I started editing here as a way to procrastinate, don't take it away from me . 00:36, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, alright, to quote the old saying, which I'm about to make up while typing it, "thou shalt be allowed to procrastinate as thy heart desires, but thou shalt thereby forfeit your right to lament about it later."


 * And if you're anything like I was, studying motivation will increase indirectly proportional to the time left until the exams and roughly correspond to the sum of stress and panic levels. --M.harmless (talk) 12:10, June 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hahaha that usually exactly how it goes. 00:58, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Active or inactive?
Hi Loleil, Thanks for the advice on the locations, I just read the forum about it as well. I saw you edited my new pages a bit, perhaps we could keep a few things there though... (orphanage) I found the repeating fire trap pretty special, didn't see that one before and the amulet in the chest is pretty important for the quest hearing voices. As for active or not, I was still visiting the wiki regularly, just didn't have much time to edit. That changed now, so I was planning to update some more pages :) And I'll try and keep that new style you showed :)--Mytharox 00:02, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a quick note, thanks for fixing that second verse, I couldn't make it out that well when I typed that one. Great that you did :D Maric is probably related to King Maric then? It's to bad I don't know more about the older dragon age lore. I am willing to bet more background can be found on Maric, Ser Willam and the things that happened in that orphanage.--Mytharox 01:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Unmentioned Easter Egg
On the World Map, the area south of the Korcari Wilds is labelled "Uncharted Territories". The Uncharted Territories were the primary location of the television series Farscape. Farscape was a show co-starring Claudia Black, Morrigan's voice actor, and the proximity to Morrigan's home makes this a likely reference.
 * Hmm I'm afraid I'm not convinced. "Uncharted Territories" just seems too generic, and accurate, a term to describe that area. 12:08, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you-preferences link
Thank you Lolie, I'm playing on preferences now. So many neat things to learn! Ozena Lyn (talk) 12:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

RTE and the Forums
I have updated Forumheader/Game Discussion, Forumheader/Lore Discussion, and Forumheader/Wiki Discussion to preload the <tt> __NOWYSIWYG__ </tt> due to the indenting issues we have been having lately. I hope this corrects the issues and let's the forums flow a little bit better than they have been. <span style="background:#131313; border:1px solid #222; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 00:25, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Hopefully it will make life a little easier for our forum goers. 04:07, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, cool. Now, I can't pick a color for admins on the RC... any ideas? (I know, this is really frivolous, but it's bugging me :P) <span style="background:#131313; border:1px solid #222; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 04:17, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe the blue not working for you? Nothing is springing to mind. Maybe something in the dark variety? 04:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Greetings, human!
Hey- I was just wondering (I couldn't find it on the wiki) do we have any articles/discussion on how level scaling works? I know I can upgrade with the Warden's keep chest, but I'd like to know what levels your scaling items turn from Silverite to Dragonbone. Rellakan (talk) 14:01, May 31, 2010 (UTC)Rellakan
 * Looks like all I could find is Materials. I'll look a little more. <span style="background:#131313; border:1px solid #222; padding:1px 3px 1px 3px; margin-left:4px; font-size:90%;"> Max 21 ( talk  |  contr ) 19:15, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Materials would be the closest things we have, but I don't think there's anything that indicates at what level items tick over to the next tier. It would be a neat thing to add though. 05:40, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Another question, guys- I can't find any articles regarding the "% Chance to Dodge" statistic on armors. I know the % + to healing is broken, but is this one?  There don't seem to be any articles mentioning the subject. Rellakan (talk) 19:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)Rellakan
 * Another question, guys- I can't find any articles regarding the "% Chance to Dodge" statistic on armors. I know the % + to healing is broken, but is this one?  There don't seem to be any articles mentioning the subject. Rellakan (talk) 19:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)Rellakan
 * Another question, guys- I can't find any articles regarding the "% Chance to Dodge" statistic on armors. I know the % + to healing is broken, but is this one?  There don't seem to be any articles mentioning the subject. Rellakan (talk) 19:38, June 3, 2010 (UTC)Rellakan


 * I haven't heard about any problems for this effect, but I'm afraid I lack the toolset knowledge to test it for myself. 11:15, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Merchant inventory table sorting bug?
I've been playing around with the sort button on various merchant inventory tables, and it looks like it doesn't correctly sort for item values. Sometimes this only occurs once you sort by quantity. To duplicate the problem:


 * Go to any vendor and click on the sort by price button - it may already be broken, or all may be well.
 * Sort by quantity, then sort by price again - sorting is now broken.

I'm new to all the Wiki stuff, so I don't quite know where to dig into the problem. It's probably a low priority issue as it's mostly a cosmetic problem that most people won't even care about. Just thought I'd let you know... PurpleRayne (talk) 19:13, June 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is an issue with the template that pulls the value information from the pages. A lot of the values are like 00644, which gives US$000644; however, 644 gives the same US$644. So, when the table sorts, US$64482 essentially is grouped with US$644, unless you pad it with zeros. 00:40, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Removing 'Discussion' tabs for forums
I think this is something to consider. Not only are they rather useless, they tend to confuse newer editors. The only time I think they would be beneficial would be proposing policies, but even then, the norm is to create the policy in the Project namespace and discuss it on that policies talk page. It would be fairly simple to do: body.ns-110 #ca-talk, body.ns-110 #this_talk, body.ns-110 #page_tabs li+li { display: none; }

I think it is something that would help (also, remove all those red links...). 11:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ooo I didn't realise that was possible. I agree that they tend to cause problems and I don' t think I've ever seen an instance where it is needed, so work your magic! 11:38, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done. The pages still obviously exist. I don't think an announcement is really warranted, but keep an eye out for people wondering what the heck just happened. :P 11:43, June 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks . 11:47, June 4, 2010 (UTC)

Humour in articles?
While the topic is humorous, the question itself is in fact serious: Is there room for small humorous remarks in articles, or are these strictly frowned upon?

Recent example: The Ranger page has a section wth notes on pet uses with pros & cons about the different summonable pets. The bear con-list used to have a third bulletin called "warm & fuzzy", which was recently removed.

Now, this was quite obviously not a serious advantage, but a small, funny (argueable) remark. I did not put it there myself, but I did find to be quite entertaining in an harmless and inoffensive way, and remember that it made me smile while reading the article. Of course, I have to readily admit, that it didn't contribute anything in terms of "useful" information.

So, I guess what I wanted to ask is simply: Should anything written in a wiki-article always be useful and serious information, or can it on occasion and within certain boundaries be just for fun too?

--M.harmless (talk) 14:32, June 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm tricky. I want articles to be enjoyable to read as well as being informative, but as you hinted at above, not everyone is going to find the same things funny. So I think humour needs to be kept to a bare minimum. It might be something to address in more detail when they style guides are up and running (only 9 days til exams are over and I can get started). 06:47, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, while I think humour has it's place even in serious encyclopaedic works (the infamous stone louse, a fictional animal invented by humorist Loriot, which was included in a renowned clinical dictionary, is a good example), I guess in a wiki environment with so many writers and no central supervising editor it's bound to get out of hand and/or lead to ugly editorial feuds. But maybe people with more experience in wiki editing than me have some ideas on how to handle this without outright forbidding it. Anyway, I think it would be a good idea to address it in the style guides.


 * Good luck with your exams! --M.harmless (talk) 11:01, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks! I think I'm going to need it, there's one essay which is slowly driving me crazy . 01:03, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

upgrade on the darkspawn chronicles
Hey i'm a new user here but i try update the new add on.and so far i fix the part on massacre in the marked.

still i have problem make a valid site on Storm the gates,Raze the Alienage,Assault on the palace.

I made a video tutorial to help out in each part (only for use on the wiki page,(I love this page and i played through the game several times,hopefully i can give some exp back.

I already made a guide on saboteur,fallout 3.I hope its okey to make a link(video tutorial on some of the quest here on dragon age..)

At moment i made a walktrough on part the darkspawn chronicles.include all quest and items,achievements.It would be nice if you could help me start/help fill in on the site on places mention above.(I fill in the info on quest's and items and walktrough on the massacre in the market.still i can't make a site on the other places.hopefully you can give me some hints.)I gladly help out.since this site has given me a lot of info trough my gameplay.Still i feel i have something to tribute with..so I hope its okey I make some video tutorial on some of the quest that is hard to write about..I understand that this site has text as main info on the site,still i can see no problem add a small link under the issue to even make it better.(as on the site massacre on the market) I will off course also add walktrough with text and also quest's and item's) still i just talk for myself and some places i found a video tutorial under,this i find very informative..so hopefully this will be okey.and even make this site even better.

I also found some new items in the Darkspawn chronicle(like the ring called Spirit band) i also have problem make this internal link)try make a link ,still i guess i miss the skills to make the internal link..,since i'm new to this site..

If you have time,contact me trough my youtube profile(The RoyAndre) so far i have 202 tubes all gaming.or my email removed to protect privacy

Xbox live my account is TSI Rayman gGs, I have 1450 on this game and soon pass 50 000 points in my achievement's. So i guess i'm addicted to gaming..

TheRoyAndre (talk) 13:34, June 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your additions to the Darkspawn Chronicles. Storm the Gates now has a page, but Raze the Alienage still needs to be created. Feel free to start it yourself. To make an internal link you just enclose the word in two square brackets (i.e. Darkspawn Chronicles ). Finally, external links aren't integrated into the article. Instead, they are placed at the bottom of the page under a "External Links" heading. However, I'm not sure whether it's appropriate to link to something like a player made video guide. Essentially, I don't want the wiki to be a spot for editors to "advertise" any side projects they may have. I'll leave it in for now, but it may be subject to change. 01:03, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

User Complaints
I didn't appreciate Max21 trying to give me orders, and I specifically asked him to leave me alone but he continues to post on my talk page that I am being disruptive, etc and delivering veiled threats. If you could please get this monkey off my back I would appreciate it. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 02:01, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I am an administrator, and I was enforcing behavioral issues I felt needed to be addressed. You can ask for me to not contact you, but that does not stop me from discussing problematic behavior. Your continued push on this issue, when I am trying to end it, is evident of the problem. 02:06, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No what is evident is you're pompous and cannot be decent towards people you disagree with, without throwing around threats or confrontational comments. When that fails you begin fabricating actions which never occurred, perhaps if you asked nicely you'd get better results and fewer people complaining about you on my talk page. You couldn't even let Loleil talk to me about this problem without commenting on this post, so I don't see much evidence that supports your claim I am the one pushing the issue. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 04:53, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * You came here, which definitely shows you aren't letting it die. I am done with this ridiculous argument. If you wish to continue it, fine, I have editing to do. 05:04, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I direct you to the threats on my talk page now Loleil, whenever you get a chance to look into this. I consider his false accusations personal attacks, so the door was already open also. If he can leave me alone, I won't mind dropping this. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 05:24, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please explain what false accusations I have made. 05:27, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Given that you've both resolved to move on, I won't rehash anything, but I will say I'm really happy with the end result. 00:58, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

Green Ronin RPG
Hey! I just got that for my birthday. I'm playing with a group of middle school kids, so we're going SUPER simplified, but I'll be happy to try to post info, without spoilers, with your help. It's actually a nice little story, with a fair set of pre-fab NPC that you can adopt as PC (nice for starter groups or visiting players). Let me go find the page and mark it as a follow (never done that before) and see what I can start putting up....probably after work today. Thanks for the invite! 24.148.182.133 (talk) 10:13, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

ug, sorry...need more coffee Ozena Lyn (talk) 10:14, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Just peeked in, boy that is scant. Ok, what would you like? Description of the GM handbook, player handbook, Intro adventure? Break out by characters offered (nice prefab base model character origins that are NOT in DAO...but wish they were)....summaries, but not word for word text (go buy the set)...that sort of thing? Ozena Lyn (talk) 10:18, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

I'm keeping a blog for the kids that are playing...sort of a step by step set up, and then a play by play review of what they did so they don't forget between sessions. Here's a section of a blog post, tell me if it's sort of the thing you're looking for on the wiki, or how to change it up to be closer to what you want:

Step 1: Character generation If you have a copy of the player's manual, you can do the entire character the long way, rolling dice and practicing math...or you can use the free character generator and get a bit of it done for you. (I highly recommend the free character generator myself.)

1. are you male or female? 2. are you human, elf, or dwarf? (the player's manual has specific origin stories by race for this adventure. If you don't have a manual, tell me which race you are and I can assist you with your background story.) 3. are you mage (can't be dwarf), rogue, or warrior?

Background For this adventure, we're looking for a specific set of people. In the players guide there are descriptions available for the following (update your character sheet with information from these cards):

Human Dwarf Elf
 * Ferelden Freeman
 * Avvar hillman
 * Surface Dwarf
 * Dalish Elf
 * City Elf

Mages are divided into categories (these have their own background cards that you should use to update your character sheet):


 * Circle Mage
 * Apostate

I tend to be very narrative/descriptive in writing...is this sort of anything close? Probably how I explain the game to kids is not how you may want things set up on the wiki, I'm just not sure. thanks Ozena Lyn (talk) 10:47, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

working on it
well, I'd email you a word doc if I knew where to send it...so I'll just post here. I'm sort of scattered and unsure how or where to start. Have a look see and tell me if any of this is anything near what you'd like to see on the page:

“Table Top” RPG-pencil and paper (you need to erase….often)

The Game Master’s guide provides a reasonably easy to understand step by step process to becoming a game master. It describes different game master styles as well as different player styles, with helpful hints on keeping the game alive and fun for all. The game is mainly based on the use of 3d6 for a Basic Ability test, making basic game play easy for the inexperienced player as well as younger adventurers.

Adversaries provided for the adventure:
 * People: Avvarian Hunter, Chasind Stalker, Dalish Raider, Fereldan Brigand
 * Darkspawn: Genlock, Hurlock, Ghoul
 * Possessed Corpses: Skeleton, Fanged Skeleton, Enraged Corpse, Devouring Corpse
 * Animals: Giant Rat, Giant Spider, Black Bear, Bronto, Dragonling, Mabari War Dog, Blight Wolf, Blood Crow
 * Fade Creatures: Shade, Revenger

Magic Items provided for treasure:

Temporary Items Permanent items
 * Glowstone, lesser healing potion, lesser lyrium potion, swift missile, wounding missile
 * Boots of the Outlaw
 * Handmaiden’s Necklace
 * Helm of the Eagle
 * Hunter’s Bane
 * Ring of Shielding
 * Smith’s Targe
 * Spawn Cleaver
 * Spidersilk Cloak
 * Stalwart Mail
 * Viper’s Blade

Adventure: The Dalish Curse

The story is broken up into a 4 part adventure with an Epilogue provided for an optional continuation of game play. Each part is subdivided into smaller sections that may consist of a combat encounter, exploration encounter, and/or role playing encounter. The story outline is open enough to add in additional encounters using the adversaries, traps, and NPC provided in the Game Master’s Guide for this adventure. The adventure is designed to take a group of starting characters to level 2 by completing the adventure.

The village of Vintiver, located in the Southron Hills, is introduced in the game. Several NPC residents of the game are introduced as well. One or more of these NPC could be used along with Adversaries to create the Epilogue adventure outlined for the Game Master.

Is this on the right track...more detail, less...what were you hoping to see? Ozena Lyn (talk) 22:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

hi sorry to bother u
ya i am the guy with the stone prisnor problem, i have reinstalled the game and redownloaded the stone prisnor but i go back to my game and still no satchel pass, i beat the game twice now and this is my third character he just left lothering. what am i doing wrong, i beg for ur advice i am getting very angree at this one set back, i beg please help me please, oh and i may not respond back right away, i have a mission tonight, yup i am a soldier in baghdag, and the heat SUX

Clrl reliance
So, you may have noticed that I have been trying to remove our huge reliance on clrl. I was working with IconMini and InventoryIcon. First off, I made IconMini into an invisible table, so the link sticks with the icon. Now, the main problem that is presented is the floating. Take a look at Sulcher's Pass. The CSS <tt>float</tt> property only permits one floating element per line. So, the image takes priority, then the icon. That leaves whatever we would like to come after it all muffed up.

There are two ways to go about this. The first is to incorporate all of the information after such templates into the template itself. It would require fixing all of the instances, which is no ideal without someone who can program a bot to do some complicated things. The second is to remove the floating aspect and have all of the extra information on the line below. Again, this is not ideal.

However, both of these are more ideal than what we are currently working with. I guess a third option would be to just remove those situations (use galleries instead of floating images), but that is kind of a cheap cop out. We should get this fixed fairly soon. 10:33, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that the iconmini can cause pictures to act strangely and it's great to think there's a solution in sight. My first choice would be contacting other wiki editors to see if they can use their bots. I know I've mentioned JoePlay before, but User:Charitwo also advertises his bot's services. If that fails I would probably try contacting the staff to see if there's something they can do. As you're the one who actually knows what you want done, I'll leave it to you to do the asking . 10:52, June 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I've noticed that some pages with the IconMini template are not displayed properly anymore. Could this be related to something you tried with the template?
 * 2 Examples:
 * Ranger: The text following the templates used to be aligned at the bottom, now it's aligned to the top, which looks rather strange.
 * Worked_to_the_Bone: The table with the templates in it looks rather messed up, though in this case I'm not sure how it looked before. Could be unrelated.
 * Maybe you could look into that?
 * --M.harmless (talk) 13:19, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's part of the current problem. I can look into a fix again, but I am not too sure there is a fix outside of the drastic change I am looking at doing (thousands of edits most likely). 13:23, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Excuse my ignorance, but did the previous situation (i.e. the necessity to use clrl) really cause that many problems that it makes such a daunting task look worthwhile? --M.harmless (talk) 13:32, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The floating caused many issues. The image floated on its own; now it floats within a table, so the conflicts don't happen (or won't when I get it fixed). The clrl just is completely unnecessary, and hopefully can be removed to allow usability to increase. Currently the table does float, but it won't need to once I implement the changes; the edits go kind of hand and hand. 13:36, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, if it turns out that the best solution would be something that a bot can't do, and you need people to help executing the many manual edits, let me know. As long as my varying free time allows it, I'm available for helping out. --M.harmless (talk) 14:03, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I reverted it for now, because the template system is way overcomplicated. I have to dance and maneuver around intricacies that are rather annoying (and conflicting and wrong). This may take longer than I thought. 14:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * What I don't understand, even though you reverted all changes to the iconmini template, any text beside it is still top-aligned, while it used to be bottom-aligned if I'm not completely mistaken. I'm confused. --M.harmless (talk) 17:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The database has to catch up with the changes. 17:05, June 10, 2010 (UTC)

adding links
Thank you! I so got writers block tonight. I'll try to add more tomorrow. How much of a story outline is a nice teaser, without giving away gameplay? Ozena Lyn (talk) 00:11, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . Without having played it, I'm not quite sure, but the overview in Awakening gives a decent sense of plot without being too spoilery I think. 00:18, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the advice
But i seem to have a little problem... Am I supposed to download the character creator? I don't have enough RAM on my comp to support it. I do have photoshop though... could I just draw my character instead?

Tried it!
My computer just has moments where it won't let me do anything. The easiest thing to do is draw out my character. I may not get the armor right but hey, it's worth a shot. Perhaps I can also get to show off my work, since I want to be a game concept artist when I graduate college.

Project Namespace Shortcut Added
I requested a namespace shortcut, so now, Dragon Age Wiki:Administrators and Administrators both link to the same place. 03:54, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * So does that mean we'll now get to refer to things such as the "da manual of style"? How ghetto fabulous! . 04:11, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Once I start getting these newer policies up and running, it will aid in shortcuts. And thanks for taking care of the forum headers. 04:17, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems, and I do understand the practical implications, though it shall still make me giggle when I'm particularly sleep deprived. 04:23, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Error in the RPG
Hey Lolie...how do you do the spoiler thingy?

In the RPG, the Rage Abomination that they characters must defeat is "Mythallen"...noted as being "child of vengeance"...the word Mythal is left on a house wall...BUT...reading the Dalish page, Mythal is NOT the God of Vengeance, but the GODDESS of Protection, wife of the God of Vengeance, Elgar'nan.

OY the continuity errors and discrepencies make me insane! Do they have no continuity editor between activities?!?

Anyway, I'm sure you've got a tutorial on there about how to do that little spoiler thing...I just wanted to note on the RPG page that there is a discrepency (or error...or whatever) on that bit of trivia. Ozena Lyn (talk) 23:36, June 12, 2010 (UTC)