User talk:Viktoria Landers

Looking forward to talking to you
Hey! I'm in Skype and in the chat now. Will be there until night. -Algol- (talk) 18:30, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Missed you already :) If you don't have the time for the chat, I'll be on Skype the usual time. -Algol- (talk) 11:50, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Can't access the skype from where I am, sorry :-) 12:15, April 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * You can't access it right now, or you won't be able to access it later during the evening/night?


 * Btw I can't access Skype from work either. Or to be more precise, I shouldn't XD


 * Maybe you just visit the chat, pretty please with sugar on top?


 * P.S. Who is this? XD -Algol- (talk) 13:15, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Leliana's Song
I've cleaned up all the Leliana's Song articles as best as i can. If you felt like giving them the once over if you get the chance, i would very much appreciate it.-HD3 (talk)


 * Sure, though if you noticed it's far ahead in my "to do" list, which means I won't be able to do it any time soon. Great work though! ;-) 10:00, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Personal about EVIL
I didn't know you from that side you shown on forum about evil character. I'm surprised and a bit afraid of you. I'm not goodie two shoes. I'm not binary, I closer to see world in shades of grey, but that's not the same. My morality is more complex, it has many parameters, that more comples than shades of grey. Those parameters are many variables - effects, opinions, effort, money, brutality, etc. In that case I'm ready to maniplute my foes to win like I manipulated Kolgrim, I used him and killed in the end. However I don't like doing evil, because I have conscience and see killing the defenseless soldier in Kolkari Wilds as unnecessary evil. I had nothing against smuggling Rogek's lyrium to Godwin to have some profit. Alstair called Godwin a bad guy, but I see only a clever businessman. Maybe I'm softy or I simply have a moral compass.78.8.130.79 (talk) 11:04, April 2, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan


 * You are a bit afraid of me because a character of mine in a video game is evil? I don't understand the logic behind this.. 12:15, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * "You scare me" in that case means "I haven't expected this from you", that's no idiom in my country, that's a metaphor used by simple people.78.8.130.79 (talk) 12:25, April 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, I like exploring all sides of role-playing, I hope you won't blame me for it. 12:28, April 2, 2013 (UTC)

Just checking :)
HEYHEYHEY! SUPERIORGIRL !! where are 'ya !? we miss you at the chat, but i guess you already know that >:) anyways, come back soon ! and take care ! --Nikapolll (talk) 17:52, April 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll try to join more frequently ;-) 11:51, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the congrats!
Thanks, Vikky! It feels good to have made a contribution to the wiki with my 500 edits so far! :-)

I will comment on the topic you raised as well--you have excellent ideas! Let me see if I can come up with any ideas in addition to the ones you and others have suggested...

Talk to you soon, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 01:09, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

A matter of outmost importance
Ok i shall look into it. That reminds me while i am looking into that, could you take a look at Talk:Forlorn Cove. Thanks. -HD3 (talk)


 * Hey, sure. Please reply in your talk page though (when I send you a message), I won't miss it! 11:51, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Pictures continued






Enjoy:)



, also used in Proving Helm



, also used in Sylvan's Mercy





- Generic DAO dagger used in this article.





-Algol- (talk) 21:27, April 4, 2013 (UTC)

Spec as Category
Blood mages, Reaver and templars are not only specializations but also classes. In games new specializations appear and some are gone, that means some are not canon. We meet some bards in DAO, but in DA2 are none, Varric's spec is an unofficial variation of Bard, when Merrill's one is an official variation of blood mage. By this logic Sebastian is a shadow, Fenris a spirit warrior and Isabela a duelist.

Classes, who appeared in all games were berserker, templar, blood mage, reaver, spirit healer, duelist and assassin, when the shadow was in all games but DAO.

Legionaire scout and keeper a plot/character spec, they appear only in DAA. Shadow and Guradian appear in DAA and DA2, but the letter case isn't the same, its character spec. The former seems to be heard about in Ferelden for not long time. By same logic we can speculate in Kirkwall not many heard about the bards, spirit warriors, rangers, arcane warriors or champ

Only templar and blood mage have influence on plot, assassin sounds like a job than class, Tallis is called a qunari assassin, when her Infiltrator spec is rogue version of templar.

My point is I think specializations need to be more "stabile" to be categories, so I doubt in making classes categories as a good idea. I think about it since the Reaver was made a category.78.8.140.83 (talk) 16:27, April 5, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan


 * "Blood mages, Reaver and templars are not only specializations but also classes."


 * You have some good points but up until now the gameplay precedent dictates that there are 3 in-game classes. We cannot change this and consider the blood mage as a distinct class from the mage, for example. The fact that a specialization gets a category is different and it is mostly based on the fact that several specializations have lore value in addition to their gameplay value (see blood mages, reavers and templars compared to guardians, battlemages and shadows). 16:39, April 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my friend, I meant categroies instead of classes in the 1st sentence.78.8.140.83 (talk) 16:47, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also there is the problem of an unspecialized character. We still need the class categories... 21:29, April 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I saw your last edits and I see you considered my points. Good idea with making categories of spec by game and lore.78.8.11.27 (talk) 12:25, April 21, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan


 * I didn't know these were your points, probably because I understood that you wanted something different. I am still in the process of working on the pages so if you would like you can check the result in the end of the day :-) (as this will take some time to complete it..) 12:36, April 21, 2013 (UTC)


 * When I try to add category Specialization lore, editor doesn't recognise this. So I can't add it to berserkers or templars or blood mages. I made a separate page about Shadows like someone else made an article about duelists.78.8.11.27 (talk) 12:42, April 21, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan

Tranquility as a class
We know the tranquils were mages before they became tranquil. I won't discuss if it's right or wrong, no, my topic is different. In game are only 3 classes. Tranquil are still mages but their powers are blocked, same for warrior with taken sword. No tranquil ever fought, because noone was trained in martial arts. Tranquil is also no title, but a state of mind, the tranquils have jobs like emissary, merchant, asistant, warehouse keepers or weapon ugrader (like Sandal). I made this message because you edited Elsa'a page lastly.

PS. Off topic. I don't know why dwarves said Endrin or Harrowmont were good leaders if Bownammar fell when they were in charge.78.8.14.211 (talk) 07:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan.


 * They are former mages (except if you believe that they can still cast spells) so I made the right amendments to each tranquil page. Their title remains as "Tranquil" however, as this is their current function, role and purpose.


 * Please next time when you wish to revert a precedent and you see someone or more to disagree with you, use the talk page to discuss it appropriately. Edit war does not help. Furthermore, don't leave messages in the pages even if it's vandalism. All messages should go to talk pages.


 * I don't get what you say about Bownammar, it fell lots of years before Endrin or Harrowmont were born. 11:08, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * On page Ages It's written that Bownammar fell in 9:13, 17 years before DAO, the both dwarves are at least 3 times older than 17 years. As for the tranquil case it's not an edit war yet and I'll take your advise. 78.8.14.211 (talk) 14:11, April 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Check this codex entry. Bownammar was lost to the living long ago meaning that it wasn't a sounding defeat for the dwarves but something expected in their losing war against the darkspawn. 14:44, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

Dwarf Image
Hi Vikky,

I'm sorry for the belated reply. That's fine about using a non-tattooed noble dwarf for the imagery. I added the tattoo to demonstrate the differences between casteless brands and noble tattoos (and because that's my favorite dwarf noble tattoo). But we don't see any nobles with tattoos so using a different image is just fine with me.

I hope all's well for you! I like your Daenerys avatar, by the way.

Best, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 15:39, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again Vikky,


 * You're right about the image--I didn't explain myself well in the message above. I added the image to demonstrate a standard noble and casteless and added the noble tattoo secondarily to show the difference between noble and casteless tattoos. But the noble tattoo doesn't make sense since the Dwarf Noble is the only one who has/can have a tattoo.


 * I can redo the image for you if you want. I Photoshopped the images of the two dwarves together so I don't mind redoing it that way if you'd like.


 * And I see your response on the thread on updating the main page! Let me look at it more closely and I'll reply.


 * Take care!


 * Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 00:03, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

Living and extinct
I suggest to share dwarven Houses on extinct and still existing.78.8.109.202 (talk) 13:54, April 12, 2013 (UTC)


 * I have answered on the talk page. 14:25, April 12, 2013 (UTC)

Janar
Hi Vikky,

Hmm, this one is tricky. I went back and looked at the dialog with Janar and Dagna and I think--though it is not completely clear--that Janar is Janar's first name and not his surname.

Dagna says that she is the "daughter of Janar of the Smith Caste." Janar says, as you mentioned, "Janar Family Armorers" but he is listed as "Janar." I think that the shop name is meant to be interpreted more as the armory of Janar's family rather than the armory of the Janar family. So I think Janar is his first name--it's just used in place of a surname in the name of his shop.

I could be wrong but that's how it looks to me. It's a pity as it would have been an opportunity to give another named Smith house.

I'm well and I hope you are too! Final exams will be coming up soon for college students here; are you getting ready for them as well? LadyAeducan (talk) 01:00, April 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That sounds good, Vikky. I wish I knew more about the toolset to uncover things like that. I used to be pretty good with the toolset for Neverwinter Nights 2, for example, but I've never delved into toolsets since then.
 * At my university the finals begin at the end of April, which always seems very early to me.
 * Take care!
 * Best, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 00:18, April 18, 2013 (UTC)

Berserkers
Hi Vikky,

I was able to add just a little to the Berserker page--I wish I had more information to help you with this one. I did find a nifty image from the berserker listing in my tabletop guide and added it. Let me know if it's okay with you. Great work on the page!

I am very excited to get my copy of the lore book. It could arrive next week! I hope yours has already arrived or will soon!

Very best as always, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 02:01, April 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you liked the image! I will make a list of useful images I have in the tabletop guides--I have the first and second set and the Blood in Ferelden expansion. Lots of handy images! If I can locate ones that seem useful online I will, otherwise I may have to scan some from the books themselves. I had never thought to pull imagery from the books until working on the Berserker page, but it's a great resource for images as well as lore.
 * Have a great night! Talk to you soon!
 * Best,
 * Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 00:54, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Can Rhatigan be a berserker? I saw red glow when I fought him.78.8.105.175 (talk) 08:02, April 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * I haven't played Dragon Age II for a year now, so I cannot answer that with certainty. But I'll ask around. 08:08, April 22, 2013 (UTC)

Not end of spec case yet
I started a new topic on forum Forum:Variations of specializations. Companions in DAO and DAA games with normal specialization and teammates in DA2 with unique specializations bothered me since release of DA2. It's same problem like creature variations. If you're tired or not interested, you don't have to involve.78.8.11.27 (talk) 16:24, April 21, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan


 * Replied. Nice idea! 18:53, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Bann Vaughan
If you get a moment could you have a look at the Vaughan article. I can't seem to get the DAO spoiler tag to work properly and i am unsure what the problem is.-HD3 (talk) 07:19, April 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Done! 07:54, April 27, 2013 (UTC)

Hello!
Hi Vikky,

I've been trying unsuccessfully to catch you on IRC to say hi and I'll keep trying but I thought I'd send a quick hello in the meantime.

I haven't compiled that list of images yet, but I will--I noticed WardenWade working with the images too and will get with them. The arrival of The World of Thedas distracted me a bit. I've been migrating the dwarven information from the book to relevant pages, as you suggested. I am looking forward to your receiving your copy--there is a lot of material on dwarves and also a lot of tantalizing implications, in my opinion, especially regarding Kal-Sharok. Lots of food for thought! I'd like to hear what you think of it all when you get your copy!

I hope all is going well for you!

Hugs, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 01:47, April 28, 2013 (UTC)

Maric in Fade
I'm wondering why you thought my trivia about Maric was from a 3rd-party mod. It's information from the toolset, which only contains information from the DA team about the unmodded game (it doesn't even include DLC). The plot was originally planned, but not implemented, which I thought made it perfect for the trivia section. I've made other edits like this, which I thought were relevant and added information for players that they wouldn't otherwise get. -Sophia (talk) 13:03, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Settled in Sohpie's talk page. 13:20, May 1, 2013 (UTC)

Mentioned
Hey.

Can you link me to where it is explained when it is notable enough to have both appearances mentioned and physical ones on a character's page? :) As it was me who removed the games from Maric because he doesn't actually appear and I thought it was just a waste. :) Henio0 (talk) 15:07, May 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I do not have one link but actually many. If a character is mentioned, but not appear in a specific DLC, comic, movie or game then it is mentioned in the appearances section. So for consistency reasons I restored that Maric is mentioned in DAO, TSG, TWS. But I'm curious. Are you against of such practice? Remember that it is still imperative for historical characters such as King Calenhad. 09:11, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm rather indifferent. I thought it might work in a way that if a character is mentioned, but doesn't appear, we list the appearance as (mentioned only), but when the character actually physically appears, it overrides all the unphysical appearances. I think we could use a separate section in the table for when a character is only mentioned, but doesn't appear. It would solve the issue. What do you think? Henio0 (talk) 12:09, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Well, I do not think is necessary, as I think the current system is sufficient and any new additions would likely confuse new readers rather than help them. But feel free to bring this to others, I do not want to stop you ;-) 04:55, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Codex entry: King Endrin Aeducan
Something you did in the last edit to this page is causing it not to display properly.-HD3 (talk) 07:51, May 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Mmm yeah a hyperlink didn't work, I now fixed it, thanks for noticing it! 04:55, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Invite for discussion
I made a new topic on this page and I wish to learn you opinion. The topic is on the bottom. [].78.9.145.132 (talk) 10:25, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * I made a topic on page about DA2 companions. I think pics of classes and symbols of romance options should be images from DA2 like symbols of their specializations already are. I invate you for discussion about this.78.9.145.132 (talk) 14:58, May 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I've noticed it though I should admit I didn't understand what you proposed. Could you make an edit to show what you mean and then reverse it? 15:05, May 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did it long ago. The version based on my view is linked in topic on the bottom of talk page. Here it is [] 78.9.145.132 (talk) 15:24, May 5, 2013 (UTC)

Hello!
Hi Vikky,

I just wanted to say hi--and to let you know I'm still alive! :-) I've been on IRC intermittently and haven't been able to catch you to say hi, so I thought I'd leave a message. I hope you're doing well and that your copy of The World of Thedas has arrived. Hopefully your classes aren't keeping you too busy.

Very best, Jen LadyAeducan (talk) 00:36, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Invitation to new topics
Hello, Victoria.

I invite you to new forum discussion, one of them will interest you. There they are [] [] [] []

I edited page of Companions (Dragon Age II) as I wanted without discussion because my invitations were all ignored. I had enough of being ignored, so I impelented changes myself and now I wait for opinions. I wish to know you opinion about it.78.8.140.88 (talk) 17:48, May 12, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan.


 * Dalish fan, university exams are closing and I do not have much time to spend on the wiki. You can see that by the small number of my contributions the last weeks. So please don't claim that you are being ignored. This wiki has a very small number of regular editors so it happens many times to me as well that noone manages/bothers to participate in a discussion I bring up. Then, like you just did, I go ahead and make the changes myself. A number of opinions is always good, but when you cannot have it, you simply have to do it yourself ;-) 11:56, May 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * In my country exams are in june, not may and my last edits are random chances and I thought most of editors are late teens.78.8.0.117 (talk) 12:24, May 13, 2013 (UTC)