User talk:Tierrie

Vandalism
Hello! I was directed to leave a message for you regarding the recent vandalism, although I imagine it's unnecessary.

IP addresses of note: 74.195.208.108 220.255.2.167 173.9.212.27 202.79.203.51 64.76.44.235 150.15.96.163 87.84.83.234

Edits have been rolled back at this time. Imany (talk)

If your not busy
I did something crazy helping out on a neglected wiki and I am still rusty with templates (the site has pretty much no templates). So I got ambitious and attempting a infobox transformer I must be missing something if it is something small or big, something I can do or have to get an admin (currently none on on the other wiki). So I figured I asked the one who I know knows templates. Now I know this is a favor and if it is a can of worms you not up to opening or what not, no problem. Thanks in advance. 05:00, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * No problem, link the wiki here and make sure I have write privileges. I can give you a hand tomorrow. -- 06:29, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope privilege wise it is fine cause there are no active admins (nothing really is protected that we need I hope). My Template, the transformer , the info box , the test article , my temp template (that works) and just in case the infobox . If there are any troubles I have requested for adoption (I know I am mad) so if I get excepted in the next few days or week we can see what we can do then. I did base on the transformers I worked on here if that means anything good or bad.  Thanks again, message me if you need anything else.  06:48, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * It looks like the w:c:cafeworld:Template:Recipe Row uses anonymous variables which are referenced as, and so forth, while w:c:cafeworld:Template:Infobox Recipe Transformer uses named variables which are passed as ,  and so forth. For compatibility's sake, it would probably make more sense to change everything to either anonymous variables or named variables. Otherwise you don't really know what's being passed.


 * An example in this case is where the fourth parameter is not defined in w:c:cafeworld:Blue Cotton Candy. It is why it turns up as  ? -- 08:47, September 13, 2011 (UTC)


 * I want the name variables ideally cause it should take the variables from the info boxes instead of manually entering each field, the other is just temp cause it works atm (and was more for reference) and if I can't get the transformers w/ variables work ( then use the number variables till I can get it to work). The transformer with the template aren't working when I use then and that is really why I need your help just takes the infobox as is and doesn't form the table. Maybe I forgot something maybe its bigger, I just really need to know how to make it work or what my error was. Hope that makes sense and the other temp template did not distract from what I meant to need help with.  21:12, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's because you've chosen to name it . You should be using  . There's a working example in w:c:cafeworld:User:Tierrie/Sandbox 1 if you need to see it in action. -- 21:24, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * X / I had a feeling it was something simple/small, prolly shouldn't have been staring at it so long and late last night. Thanks it is good to know it was just me not paying attention. I appreciate that so much thank you. 21:45, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem :) Glad I could help -- 21:50, September 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * So bugging again. I am having problems adding the article link to the image and for the life of me I can't get it to work. Sorry for bugging you again. 05:54, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you describe the problem you're having as well as links to the examples? -- 06:22, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, regarding same template, in the case of the image I'd like it to be a link as well, to take back to the article. In my test templates here I have an image that links back to the article, when I attempt to adjust the template (reciperow) I only get the default image pop up. I thought [[File:|link=]] would do it but it hasn't.  08:26, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed it for you. Here's how it works


 * Hope that helps -- 09:18, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. now I'll try not to bug you for a while :P 18:58, September 14, 2011 (UTC)

Complaints
hello Tirrie thanks fore blocking me i have complained to head office about you and also about you getting rid of facts (exploits) (Cjbeattie (talk) 18:22, September 13, 2011 (UTC))


 * Make sure you get the right people to plead your case. Most users are also welcomed to get another admin's point of view, but seeing as you've already asked User:Loleil and she did not agree with you, I'd caution you from going down that path. In short, your continued contributions on the subject of Exploits or any pages related to it are no longer welcomed. Your contribution privileges will be revoked permanently if you continue this behavior. It is not important to me that your cousin is studying to be a game developer, and family relationship with a game developer does not make you an expert on the subject of exploits. -- 18:37, September 13, 2011 (UTC)

chat
Hello Tierrie, I have a small problem with the chat function in this wiki. It keeps popping up when I'm not even at my PC, resulting in messages like 'are you dead or alive?' from other chat users. This has happened 4 or 5 times and I was wondering if I'm the only one with this problem.--Schrödingercat (talk) 08:22, September 16, 2011 (UTC)

Affiliation
Hey Tierrie, I saw the new affiliated wikis template on the main page (it looks great by the way :D), and was wondering if there were plans for proposing affiliations with any other wikis?


 * I think the main page would look better with less distracting elements on it and I do feel that the affiliates icon can be distracting. With that in mind, I would like to keep the number of affiliates shown to a minimum. Otherwise it'd start looking like a banner ad. The only ones I feel should show up on the main should really be BioWare related or to a lesser extent, single player RPGs in a fantasy setting. You're welcome to suggest any wiki and we can take a look at it. -- 23:38, September 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that affiliated wikis should be Bioware related or fantasy RPG focused, so if we were going to affiliate with any more wikis, the only ones which spring to mind are the Witcher wiki and the Elder Scrolls wiki. The Elder Scrolls wiki appears to be a work in progress in some areas, so The Witcher wiki is really the only one that I think would be appropriate.

Need help on a Slider
Hi, I need your help on a slider (again) :) I have designed a slider for trailer in Deus Ex Wiki; click here to see. The problem is I don't know how to get rid of the "empty space" in between the video and arrows in "right hand-bottom corner". Appreciate any help you can give on this. -- 08:26, September 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks and if you have a free time please take a look into extending the design, as you have mentioned. :) -- 04:58, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Affiliation template
Hey, I think we should keep the "Affiliation template" in the middle column, because there is extra space after "Twitter template". So the user doesn't has to go to the bottom of the page to see it. -- 08:35, September 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me! Incidently, re the Deus Ex page, I will take a look at it as soon as I get some time once I settle in from my 2 day hike ;) This will probably be tomorrow or early next week. Cheers! -- 04:02, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Conflict infobox
Hi, I added some guidelines for using the Template:ConflictInfoBox/doc because I'm seeing it used kind of incorrectly (or perhaps a bit too creatively). I hope it's okay but can you check it over? Sporran (talk) 17:41, September 17, 2011 (UTC)

Forum Intros
Do you want me to rewrite them now in a sandbox or when the forums are moved/renamed?
 * You can do them later. Not a big deal. -- 20:38, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Dragon Age Answers?
Hi, What's with the change of our logo in top-left corner? I just noticed that. Did I miss anything important discussion regarding this? The user who changed the logo is User:Angela; she is one of the Wiki staff.-- 14:04, September 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice a change in the logo. Are you on Monobook? What are you seeing? -- 16:06, September 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * That is weird. Here is the screenshot and the link to the file history of the logo. I didn't revert the image because I thought you are aware of this change. -- 03:19, September 21, 2011 (UTC)




 * I have no idea how that came about. I see that you left her a message already. We'll see what she says in a few days and revert it if we don't hear from her. -- 03:58, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

She said it was a mistake. So I changed the things back to normal. -- 13:29, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

Banners
Tierrie could you take a look at the new icons for the forum banners? I've been tinkering for a while but couldn't change the icons for the life of me. Thanks! 10:55, September 25, 2011 (UTC)

Giveaway
Amazing ^^ I'm flattered that you liked it so much you decided to give it a try =P And very awesome idea of the little story thingy as the connection between the entries =D Thanks for the heads up, partner -- I announced it on the latest news post ^^ Good luck, and take care, Tierrie! -- D. Cello 21:58, September 26, 2011 (UTC)

Circle of Magi in Orzammar
I made up a new page. It is about an Orzammar Circle of Magi. If I leave it up, will I get banned from writing new pages or editing anything ever again? I think it would actually be cool to have a Circle of Magi in Orzammar. Just saying. Please don't delete it and please don't ban me from using the site ever again or from editing anything.


 * Uh, Tierrie.... I don't know what happened but when I put his page up as a candidate for deletion it seems to have made a new page. My best guess is that when you moved his to the forums I was editing, and it somehow happened from there. Balitant (talk) 01:22, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Hey trying to submit my short story for contest for TOMM but i can't seem to submit it right or something any help you could lend? sorry man.... --Promises4U (talk) 03:35, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

yes thx for asking sorry about that.

forgot to sign it.--Promises4U (talk) 11:59, September 27, 2011 (UTC)

Portal codes
'Ello Tierrie, I just wanted to ask your permission on using the portal code - the one that's also on the Assassin's Creed wiki - for the I Am Alive wiki. I've seen you around a couple of times, so I thought I'd stop by and ask if I could use it rather than only taking it and creditting you. Please leave a message here or here. Have a nice day. Uditore  ™  16:11, September 29, 2011 (UTC)

Need your eyeballs again
Hi Tierrie. I'm setting up your Sexy Slider™ at Ninja Gaiden Wiki. I got everything setup correctly (or so I think) and for some reason, the images aren't displaying on the actual slider, even though they appear fine on Portal/Main. When mousing over the "150px" (on the first slide) and "200px" (on the other slides), the browser is looking for Template Placeholder.png for some reason. (Placeholder.png is the image name) Here are the relevant links: Anyway, if you get a chance to take a look, either message me on Wikia somewhere or Skype me tomorrow. Thanks in advance. JoePlay http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb33036/wikia/images/e/e9/WikiaStaff.png (talk)  00:42, September 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Portal/Component/Slider
 * Portal/Main
 * Portal/Games (one of the slides)

Home again home again!
I just came back from being away from home for a month. So I was thinking about maybe on continuing some origin's clean up/updating but I scarcely know where to start. If you or the other mods have ideas or been talking about it, I'd be more than happy to start up a sort of long term clean up/updating project but I'd need some guidelines or wish list of some sort. I do have the new dragon age but I am playing origins/awakening on and off atm. (crossposted with Loleil). Lemme know 08:11, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

Could you help me?
Hi Tierrie, My name is Ian, and I've started creating my own wiki. I love the page slider you have created for this wiki's main page, and I've tried recreating it for my wiki, and it's just not working at all.... Could you help me get it to work, please? Thanks, Ian Bernard 19:13, October 6, 2011 (UTC)

About the Orlesian Mystery Murder
I'm not sure to who to contact at Wikia (I'm guessing you are more up to date regarding that, since you handled that part of the contest), but one of the winners for the Olresian Mystery Murder random giveaway, Thornsparks79, is having problems claiming his prize: the code is apparently invalid (see my talk page). --D. (talk · contr) 23:03, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Spell/Talent Origins Pages/Tables ref clean up tag
(This was first posted to Loleil about a week ago but she appears to be away.)

I have some possible changes for the a clean up tag on Spells (Origins), samples here. If still not clean enough if some suggestions (especially for clean up tags due to the new wiki look) would be greatly appreciated, so I can see what I can do :) 00:32, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * I was considering alternate ways to show the info (ie your idea of 2 rows of 2) but I assumed the set up was to mimic the in game spell book (which is why I ask specifically if it was enough or if going away from the original style was needed). I can make alternate views that go away from this in game likeness if you like and see if it is favorable even if it doesn't look like the in game style? 01:11, November 15, 2011 (UTC)


 * User_blog:Hollowness/Spell_Iconmini_Table_Samples. 2 more ideas, lemme know what you think. 07:16, November 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * I have been attempting dialogue in the talk page for the spells, with no luck, I could try on the forums. 02:52, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Portal/Slider
Hi Tierrie, A few months ago I saw the portal/slider on the Assassin’s Creed Wiki. It’s quite impressive. I finally decided to try something similar for the wiki I’m on. From looking at the different templates, it looks like you’re the creator of the majority of the work (or at least the coding). I would really appreciate some information on how you get pages/templates to open in the same space on the main page. If you are willing to give me a few tips, I'd love to hear from you. Thanks :)  NickyLinnea Talk  04:59, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

do you think this template could be utilized?
Well, I couldn't sleep cause I had a template idea, lemme know what you think, I think friendship/rivalry need some consistency either way but this could help too maybe? User:Hollowness/Template 12:53, November 23, 2011 (UTC)

iconmini question
I was wondering it it was possible to have an alternate image if the default is not wanted (ie. codex entries that are used for but DA1 and DA2 have DA1 codex image File:Ico codex entry.png and I want to use the DA2 codex image File:Codex icon DA2.png). Also if we could have a textless option? I am not the most familiar with iconmini when you improved it and linked it with the inventory icons. Lemme know, thanks 03:39, November 25, 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, real life trumps, have fun :) 03:03, November 29, 2011 (UTC)

Slider
Hi Tierrie,

I contacted you a few weeks ago about the Portal/Slider. I read your help page, and copied all the templates that I should need to make the portal pages work, but I'm still not getting any of them to open without it just linking me to the template page. The templates still need work, but I don't want to continue with that until at least one page will open the way it should. If you have the time, will you take a look at it to see what is needed? If you want to talk on chat, send me a message and let me know a time (and location). Thanks so much. NickyLinnea Talk 12:48, November 30, 2011 (UTC)

Portal/Component/Slider

Your Slider
Hi Tierrie. A few months ago, JoePlay helped me set up your slider over on w:c:NinjaGaiden and while it works in Oasis, I cannot get it to work on Monobook. I added the appropriate css to the monobook css and so it appears, it just does not slide, leading me to believe it is a problem in the js. If you have time, I would appreciate any help you can give me with this slider. Thanks. --

Slider
Thanks for helping us with this. I made you an admin so that you can access pages you need. If you need anything else, let me know. NickyLinnea Talk 15:51, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

The Last of Us Wiki Portal
Hello Tierrie. I am Sackchief, the head administrator of The Last of Us Wiki. I have recently started this gaming wiki to cover information on the upcoming Naughty Dog title, The Last of Us. I would like to use the Portal template system that you created, if that's okay. I will make sure that full credit will be given to you where necessary. Thank you. Here is my talk page

Sackchief (talk) 03:41, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Spoiler tags
When you're back, could you look into making spoiler tags for Dragon Age: Asunder and Dragon Age (Dark Horse Comics)? I could also make them if you're too busy, but I'm just not sure if they are meant to use a certain type of images since the former is from a book and the latter is from a comic. Asunder will be released soon... no pressure, at all! --D. (talk · contr) 01:10, December 17, 2011 (UTC)


 * Sure can! Any image you have in mind? -- 21:54, December 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * Lack of creativity here, so I would suggest using the image on the pages (the only ones which were released). It may look inconsistent with the other spoiler tags for the books since they use images from Origins and Awakening to keep the same style though. --D. (talk · contr) 02:38, December 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like I am going to be a little tied up. Go ahead and make the images. We can always replace them in the future if there's a huge drive for consistency as far as images are concerned. -- 04:55, December 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Since I'm lazy, I only made the Asunder one and just made it somewhat the same style as the other books' spoiler tags. Not sure what the template should have been named though, so feel free to move it (Template:SpoilerASU). --D. (talk · contr) 18:52, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

custom
How do you create a custom signature Cjbeattie (talk) 16:02, December 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can find the instructions Help:How-To Create A Custom Signature. Have fun! -- 20:14, December 23, 2011 (UTC)

Admin
Hi I have recently become the Admin on The Saboteur Wiki but there are so few people there and I can not do it on my own any idea how I can get more users cheers The Terror Weapon Cjbeattie (talk) 13:04, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Blog feature
im just curious as to why theres no blog button it makes it much easier o get to it in my opinion 21:46, January 26, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliation
Hello Tierrie. I'm not sure if you are the right person to ask, and if you are not, I hope you can direct me to the right person. I'm the bureaucrat of Hitman wiki, which has recently undergone a massive revamp (well, it's still going on, to be completely honest...) I'm currently working on getting affiliates, and since you have already affiliated with a few other wikis, I was hoping you would be willing to affiliate with us too. Please let me know! Nesty Contact me! 14:55, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there Amnestyyy! We don't have an official policy in place, but there was a community discussion that took place. It sounds like Hitman is a totally different genre and world type from Dragon Age. As such, it doesn't sound like there would be much overlap. But, as this wiki is run by consensus, I suggest also asking Loleil, D-day and Snfonseka if you feel strongly about this. However, we are all mostly of the same mind so they may just tell you the same thing. Cheers! -- 07:13, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

block appeal
hello tierrie, i wanted some help and you were the first admin i could find, i was blocked - not in this wiki though - but on the mass effect wiki, i believe the admin made a horrible, yet a little undertandable mistake in blocking me, i want to appeal but no matter were i look i cant contact the guy since he even blocked me fomr editing my own talk page! help!Señor action (talk) 23:40, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there Señor action. Unfortunately, we have no jurisdiction at the Mass Effect wiki. You might try contacting the admin through their community page, for example c:community:User:Tierrie clarifying your position. Good luck. -- 07:17, February 22, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
Hello Tierrie, I suggest that you or one of the other admins ban a certain user that goes by the username of Yaling520. That user has posted three blogs on the business of jewelry which as you know has nothing to do with the purpose of this wiki. User:Super Warden

Also, would you mind either locking or deleting the following: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SWTOR_Are_living_Steady_stream "forum" and giving a warning or reprimand to Swtorcreditsp? Not sure if they're deliberately trying to mess up the wiki, but it sure looks like it. ---- Isolationistmagi   06:58, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

for Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker wiki
Tierrie, we'd love to get in contact with someone on the Dragon Age wiki about giving you guys materials for the Dragon Age: Dawn of the Seeker wiki. Can you please contact me? You can email me at feedback@funimation.com -FUNimation-FUNimation (talk) 15:20, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * That sounds awesome! I'll get in touch with you. -- 22:17, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback rights
Hey, Tierrie. I was speaking to User:Asherinka and considering all the work she's done in the small amount of time, thought that it might be a good idea to give her rollback rights. She's alerted me and other admins to a lot of vandalism and has always reverted it promptly, so I figured, why not make it easier? She's accepted, but obviously feel free to chip in  17:18, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Banner headers for forums
Oh, I'd forgotten all about that! I personally like:

for Dragon Age Discussion

for Lore Discussion

for Game Help

or for Wiki Discussion

If you don't have any objections? 21:56, March 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * They look a little inconsistent in their quality and their symbolism. The first two are highly detailed, the second one is pseudo-photo realistic and the latter two look consistent only between themselves. Let's see if we can find four icons from the same family of styles. -- 22:01, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I do see your point. How about:

for game

for lore

for game help

for wiki

22:34, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

Yay! They look great! I'll have to send D my compliments  23:01, March 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hi there!
I was told you were the template wizard I should speak to. :) I have a few questions about this wiki's awesome spoiler templates, and I was wondering if you could help me out. I usually hang out on Red Dead Wiki, Futurama Wiki, Infernopedia, and Brütal Legend Wiki. Let me know if you have some spare time to answer a couple of questions; any advice would be greatly appreciated!

Have a great day.

"... Cinnamon cocks!"  ♥  ·Legalize.it  (  talk  ) 23:17, March 26, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler Template
Hello there, I am the Milkman. If you're not busy, I was wondering about the Spoiler Templates here on DAWiki. I was hoping adapt it for a similar purpose on Brutal Legend Wiki.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 04:59, March 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sure you have my permission to use it on the Brutal Legends Wiki. If you have questions, feel free to ask them ;) -- 05:32, March 30, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! :)

Well, I was just curious as to how it works. I don't really know anything about it, but I was hoping to adapt it for my wiki.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 19:46, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I edited it again. You can see it here. --The Milkman | I always deliver. 21:04, March 31, 2012 (UTC)

I never thought it could be done, but it has! I thank you immensely for all of your help. The final result, courtesy of D, can be seen here. Thanks a ton!

Cheers!

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 01:35, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Retirement
Hey there Tierrie ^^ Hope everything is well =] Just to let you know that I am retiring from wiki duties. My life has reached a new level, and feel it´s time I follow this new journey. I have build the wiki to last with or without me, and now is time to put that to the test XD Take care, man, and let´s wish DA3 be as good as DA2 and DAO combined =P -- D. Cello 16:48, April 1, 2012 (UTC)

Pink
Hi Tierrie, the new pink site is not easy to look at. The pink text hurts to see after a while. More importantly for those of us who are Red Green colorblind the pink text disappears, they only see blank spot where this is pink text. It needs to me more WWW compliant.

Thanks, AABelin (talk) 23:22, April 2, 2012 (UTC)AABelin


 * @AABelin, you will be glad to know that we found and murdered the unicorns responsible for such a travesty. -- 23:24, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Spoiler Template Broken
The spoiler template is bugged. The image is all wrong, and I can't revert it to the round image. I may need a new one. Can you help?

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 23:02, April 3, 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Mockup
I was looking around if you had implemented any updates to the portals and found Portal:Mockup. I've tried to create similar portal pages, but all of them end up like this. The entire side rail is intact. Can you point out the mistake I've made? --Vatsa ( talk • Gentek ) 11:17, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I realise that wikia controls the ads and we cannot utilise the entire space available on the main page. I wanted to use the Portal namespace for a subpage, but for some reason that namespace doesn't seem to work.. --Vatsa ( talk • Gentek ) 17:28, April 13, 2012 (UTC)


 * Wikia has to enable that namespace. I got them to do that by sending them an email. -- 17:33, April 13, 2012 (UTC)

the invisible sisters(again)
greetings tierrie about the inisible sisters and the gillian winger page i didnot ask my freind Skull Crusher Assassin 87 (Or just 87 to his freinds) to aid me by adding a positive writing i told him to post his opnion not write opnions based on freindship or rivalry(this is slowly turning into DA2) and he did so wilingly and if you want to know my list of freinds they are: D-day michael largness DarkDabber and hopefully i can count you among them: i know on one of the previous chats we started off in the wrong dierection but i want us to forget all that and start a new page so what do you say: Freinds?.--Aleroth Sarenford (talk) 22:35, April 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Aleroth Sarenford, I was there. I saw what you said to Skull Crusher Assassin 87 and it did not happen as you described. In fact, after he recanted his statement, you praised him for keeping the statement as is. At best this dishonesty has left me with a lack of faith in your actions, and at worst, a disappointing feeling that you do not fully understand what you have done.


 * The warning stands. You may appeal to the other administrators, King Cousland, D-day and Loleil and present your argument to them. -- 03:01, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Questionable Queries: Orlesian Edition
Hi

When the answer will be revealed to Questionable Queries Orlesian Edition?

Yours IlidanDA (talk)

Hello, I'm leaving a message here because I'm having trouble using the email function provided by D-Day on my talk page for my winning question in the Questionable Queries contest. For some reason after I try to send the email, a wiki page comes up telling me that the action was 'throttled' and that I am unable to perform the action requested. I was wondering if there would be an alternate manner to send you the required information? Thanks in advance DeltaEcho (talk) 23:02, May 10, 2012 (UTC)