User talk:Loleil/Archive 11

hey you
Sorry about the delay on the art i was gonna show off on my user page but i've been really busy with my family, not to mention i'm playing DA:O again with my second noble character, still female of course ^__^ Anyway, I've just started the pic and i'm currently trying to find the best pic of Wade's Superior Drakeskin Armor(the shoulder guard details are hard to see) but maybe with a few days i should have it up. Talk to you later! <(''<) *lol kirby*--Cybil24 (talk) 00:40, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems, there's no rush . 01:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Starting Discussions
I know this sounds stupid but, how do you start a discussion? --Drewk82 (talk) 01:58, June 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well firstly it depends on what sort of discussion you want to start. To start a forum discussion...


 * 1) Go to the forums
 * 2) Click which category you'd like to post in
 * 3) Write the title of your forum post in the white box at the top of the page
 * 4) Click the gold "Add new topic"
 * 5) Type your message
 * 6) Remember to sign your post with four tildes ~ )
 * 7) Click "Save Page" (which is on the light grey bar near the bottom of the page)
 * 8) All done


 * To start a blog discussion...


 * 1) Click the blog tag at the top of your user talk
 * 2) Click the create blog link which is located at the bottom of the sidebar and the bottom of the page
 * 3) Type title and message
 * 4) Save
 * 5) All done
 * Hope this helps, if not let me know what information you need . 03:21, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

RPG by blog post
Hey Lolie, interested in trying to do the RPG in message board format by blog post? If so, peek at my talk page and user blog there and let me know. Ozena Lyn (talk) 15:58, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Question about Signature
Hi Loleil, I wanted to know how one can customize their signature. I understand that there is some coding involved but how can I even get it to be a different color?--Fantasyeve87 (talk) 01:07, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It can be formatted anyway really; I can make one for you if you wish. Just describe what you want and it won't take long. 01:12, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * You can check out the code I use here and Tierrie made up a bit of how-to here. I think a good way to get started is to find a signature that you like and tweak it to your desire, but like Max, I'm happy to try and create one for you if you like . 03:54, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

question about the dlc out in july
will this new dlc have trophies on it as well???Myrlyn1968 (talk) 08:04, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

warrior guide
Would you know of any warrior guides? thanks. :)

thank you!
I have to admit I have spent a lot (A LOT) of time browsing this wiki, and since currently you are as much the face of it as anyone else I will personally thank YOU for making it such an awesome place!

See, that's what you get for sending me a welcome note. ;P So thank you for the welcome and all your hard work! :D --Kaispan (talk) 06:30, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

question about the vendetta trophy
what do you need to do to get this trophy?? i have the other 2 trophies and i have beat this dlc but i was just wondering how to get this last trophy any help you can give me i would be happy to have thanks myrlyn1968/7/7/10

The Golem of Redcliffe
I think the Circle Letter was actually a codex entry, but I put it as an item just to avoid confusing the codex transformer. If you've got any problems with the new pages, etc let me know. I just wanted to document the leftover shale stuff in Redcliffe Village. Mictlantecuhtli (talk) 00:07, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problems at all. I find cut/altered content quite interesting so am happy to have it recorded, though I might start a "Cut Content" category for them. 00:28, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Contributions removed by other users
Hello, I'm new to DA Wikia and submitted an external link in the Rogue article a few weeks ago. It lead to a guide I wrote for this type of character. Someone edited the page and removed the link without even talking about it or giving reasons. What am I supposed to do? Put it back again? --Érudit (talk) 01:02, July 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's still there. 03:56, July 9, 2010 (UTC)

Leliana's Song
I disagree with your recent changes. Usually, the most popular subject has the unspecified title; however, I think it is hard to claim one is more know than the other. If anything, the song has the advantage. Perhaps Leliana's Song should be a disambiguation page, with Leliana's Song (DLC) and Leliana's Song (soundtrack) as relevant pages. The DLC hasn't even been out a week, and you are assuming more people are going to be looking for it. 03:11, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Historically DLC has been a very popular subject and to me the song is a borderline article, with not a huge amount of pertinent information, if you want to continue the conversation on the talk page you can do so, but I'm happy with my decision. 03:15, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just dug up some figures. The DLC has had 31,380 hits. The song has had 15,920. This is despite it being created six months earlier and possibly getting some hits due to its previous name. So I find that convincing that it's significantly more popular. 03:41, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the welcome, but I was wonder if you know why somebody deleted my comment on the Talk:Specializations. It's the only edit I've ever made and it makes me sad. I would revise it but I don't know why it was changed. 76.122.237.214 (talk) 07:03, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Leliana's Song Spoiler Tag
Max and I are having an argument here and I'm developing an issue with the arbitrary, non-collaborative way he makes decisions at times. I invite you to step in with your diplomatic presence and adjudicate the disagreement. -Vim- (talk) 01:16, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Vim, I've seen the discussion, but I'm not feeling the best today, so I want to make sure my mind is focussed before offering my thoughts. 01:44, July 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. I can totally empathize. :) -Vim- (talk) 01:59, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Of course I would like to help. It took me very long to find a website about dragon age. Any help you need just right me a not

sarah123--Sarah123 (talk) 07:34, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

Uploading My Warden's status
I know it may actually sound stupid and noobish.....but how can I upload this image (which everyone seems to have) with my warden and his decisions....? Thanks a lot for tolerating my foolish question...LonelyRanger (talk) 10:30, July 12, 2010 (UTC)LonelyRanger
 * I have the same question. I love that recap of your warden and would love to create the same, for use here and elsewhere.  Thanks!  --Time4Tiddy (talk) 01:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)  Thanks for the info!  --Time4Tiddy (talk) 01:26, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeh i have really just started using the fourms :) it did help (PinkOldShoes (talk) 11:19, July 12, 2010 (UTC))12:19 12.07.2010

Question about the Battle Dress of the Provocateur
I was wondering what goes with the armor Battle Dress of the Provocateur to make it an item set bonus in dragon age origins. Also where can i buy it at or from whom would i buy the pieces needed to make it an item set ?Myrlyn1968 (talk) 08:06, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Manual of Style?
Were you wanting to collaborate on a full manual of style? We can use current processes to fill it out, and then propose changes we feel are necessary. I am not sure what the easiest way to go about it is, but I have been looking at a few things. 09:22, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * To start off, I just want to make sure we're thinking about out Manual of Style covering the same thing. I was thinking it would cover things like links, italics, spelling, tone, page layout, capitalization and the like. I would like to help out, but I'm not sure how we would divvy up the workload. If you are able, I think it might be easiest if you write a rough draft (though I wouldn't mind continuing to work on the layout sections as started with quests) and then we could work on any contentious issues. 10:18, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, part of it would include layouts for quests (which you have already done), quotes, character pages, place pages, etc. If you want to work on those, go ahead. I can start looking into the smaller and somewhat missing consistency within them. 10:28, July 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * For the next set I think I'll hold off on going through the entire category to spruce them up so I can get them done in a more timely manner and I'd certainly appreciate an extra pair of eyes to check them over. 10:40, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

A question about your walkthoughs
Greeting, I have visited the DA wiki often in my playthrouhgs of DA:O and have always found this wiki to be very helpful. You guys do a good job here, and I have especially found your walkthoughs very useful in my playthroughs. Currently I am the newest admin over at the Mass Effect Wiki, and I managed to write most of the walkthroughs over there for both games, and still cleaning them up, which that brings me to my question.

I noticed that you don't have a lot of information on The Game page, and I was wondering how I go about adding to that as I dug through the wiki and you MoS and couldn't find the information. I am really good with walkthroughs and taking a break from playing ME, I decieded to play DO:A to get out of the scifi genre for a little bit. So I figured I'd check here to see about walkthrough information and seeing there wasn't much, yet, I figued I'd help out with this great new pack the BioWare just came out with. Considering the last time I did a walkthough I got it done in a day, see Overlord: Vulcan Station for one example, third edit. So I was just kind of wondering how you guys go about a page like that. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 (talk) 04:35, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought your name looked familiar . Unfortunately, our Mos is still a work in progress, (I finally got up the very brief quest quidelines only last week) but our set-up for lengthy quests is similar to your work on Vulcan Station. However, we wouldn't have an enemies section and the mission summary would be broken up as Rewards and Results (though I've been thinking it might be better to go with Items on lengthy pages). Soldier's Peak (Quest) is probably the page we have that is most similar to The Game (though it needs a Rewards/Items section), so that would be a good starting place. I look forward to seeing what you do. 04:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * I created the page for The Game and laid out an outline for the individual pieces of it based on the locations you travel through as you advance the quest. Denerim Market is about completing the side quests, Noble's Estate(1) is about finding a way into the Arl of Denerim's estate and then fighting your way to his bedroom to plant the documents, etc... Nevertheless I haven't yet had the time to go back and fill it in. I've been saving its walkthrough for last since it's the biggest. But if you would prefer to organize it differently feel free. My outline is more an initial sketch then anything else and I likely won't have time to seriously look at it for a few more days. -Vim- (talk) 04:55, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I had no intentions of reorgainizing it as that is how I, and other editors, who I think are following my lead, unconfirmed, have done things like that. However the second question I have is just simple and I have another example. When you have a quest like that, do you link the main articles like how we have it set up on the Mass Effect 2 Guide, where we have the links to the various mission pages? If so then would you link under the Denerim Market heading the three main quests that you have to complete or not? Lancer1289 (talk) 05:06, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, we tend to use main on our major quest pages. I'm not sure about using it multiple times under the same heading though, as using one heading one link is the established precedent. If that means the existing heading have to be altered, I'd change them, particularly as you have the all-clear from Vim. 05:22, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I can put it up and write the section and use the three links, and then you can take a look. Lancer1289 (talk) 05:33, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds goods. That will probably be the best way to judge. 05:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I jsut finished the section with the links. Figured I'd let you know, once I solved my router's problem with my home wireless network which just happened to go on the fritz just after I saved the page. Figures. Lancer1289 (talk) 06:40, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehe yes my internet seems to like to malfunction at the most inconvenient times too. It's not too bad, though I wonder if it might be better with sub, sub-headings. Hmm I think I may be too tired to think rationally, so you're welcome to continue the article. If there are eventual structural changes I don't think that will be too much of a problem to do and if you feel like sticking around there is plenty to do . 07:11, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Forums
Hello, sorry to bother you but I was hoping you could help me by creating a policy or procedure about locking or protecting forum pages, there are currently no written rules about locking forums but the active rules here seem drastically different from many of the other wikis that I have been a part of. It seems that here a forum page can be blocked simply because a theory on said forum is wrong (such as Duncan being alive) or if the connection to the game and the wiki is not strong enough (a user found an image of a runner that looked remarkably like Duncan and presented it in a forum to the community. Both forums were protected. In previous wikis, forums hve only been locked in the instance of use of profanity, hateful comments, or spam, and even then only locked after multiple warnings. In the forums all conversation was kind and cool, and no warning was recieved before locking. Could you aid users by explaining the guidelines of what is proper to post on a DAwiki forum?


 * Hey Carlo, it's no bother at all . I'm quite busy at the moment, but hopefully we can get something up and running in the near future. 06:55, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate that greatly. Hopefully such a page would prevent alot of confusion. --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 06:59, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I have already explained why I closed your forum. Your behavior came off as trollish since you were being exceedingly dismissive and argumentative at the same time. The latest had no relevancy to the game or wiki. A bunch of "LOLHARD" replies is enough to make that perfectly clear. We are currently working on different policies; please be patient. 07:02, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but I feel like you having to explain the reasons behind each lock would become tedious, and many users believe that the relevancy of forum messages are irrelevant, because on many other wikis they are allowed to do things such as playing mafia (it's a game, if you don't know of it you can ask me later, if you are curious, or check out the final fantasy wiki or i think the assassin's creed wiki) using the forum and other such things that are more about bringing the community together and having fun conversation than game information. I believe that you would have a much easier time if it is explained that there is a stricter view of forum usage for this peticular wiki. That way, you wouldn't have to lock these forums all the time, as users would not post them after understanding what is and isn't allowed here. It would save you alot of work explaining and arguing with users about what is acceptable. --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 07:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * We are currently working on it and have been for some time. 07:40, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and I noticed that you are working on new policies, that's why I thought this would be a good time to bring up such a request, I also realize that you are very busy and I don't mean to rush you, as I'm sure all the staff are working their hardest to improve the wiki. The only reason I went to Loleil intead of Max21 is that I thought he would disrguard my request as a personal one rather than a request intended for the good of the wiki and it's users, as he did. I assure the wiki that my intentions are to prevent further mistakes such as my own. I'm on your side. --CarloGrimaldi (talk) 07:43, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

Editing Background
Hey, thanks for the welcome. :) An issue I have is that when I'm logged in, my background reverts to the all white default wikia style. How can I make it back into the Dragon Age theme as if I'm viewing the wikia when I am not logged in?
 * Go to Special:Preferences and click "Skin". Scroll to the bottom and make sure "Let the admins override my skin choice. (recommended)" is selected. 19:58, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Createplate issues
I am not sure if you have noticed, but the create plates such as MediaWiki:Createplate-Character are creating some Special:WantedFiles and Special:WantedCategories. Do you want them to remain how they are, or do you think we should just remove them? I can tweak the template to not include them, but it may be a tad... frustrating. What are your thoughts? 02:16, July 31, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd never been sure about the benefit of redlinked file in the infobox, so I certainly wouldn't mind that going. I can't see the issue with the categories, but if you think it's causing a problem it sounds worth fixing. In general, I'm very happy to alter the create plates to get them just right as I've seen the consequences of getting them wrong. I don't know how many empty See Also and External Links headings I've removed hehe. 02:35, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

HELP
how do you edit your user page to look like everyone else's? some instructions would be great. and also how do i put the links in me edits? --Anya McDonald -- 02:37pm est, July 31, 2010


 * There's a fair bit of variation in user pages, so I'm going to guess that you'd like to add a character box. If you would like to add one, just follow the instructions on Template:CharacterTag. To add links all you have to do is enclose a word in two square brackets. So to link to Grey Wardens, all I've done is type Grey Wardens . As another tip, you might like to check out Dragon Age Wiki:Signatures, to get your signature linking back to user or talk page. 01:46, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

How did you get that picture of a warden up on your wall? That would be super tight and I would love some pointers if you have time! Thanks! --User:Antares221 4:16pm August 1, 2010
 * That's just by using Template:CharacterTag that I mentioned above. If you're after some general pointers, give Dragon Age Wiki: Editing Guidelines, Dragon Age Wiki: Manual of Style and Dragon Age Wiki: Templates a look. Let me know if you're after some more specific advice. 23:27, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Awesome
this is the best site about DA:O EVAR!!

I hope this works --Anya Marie McDonald 20:48, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Lets try this again http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Anyamarie--Anya Marie McDonald 20:51, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Wiki Leaderboard
I made some changes to the CSS for Special:Leaderboard, since the default didn't make much sense. Also, the link in the sidebar is controlled by MediaWiki:Achievements-leaderboard-navigation-item. You can't really move it, unfortunately, but you can change what it says. 00:38, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the delay, my internet decided to stop working for a few minutes, but that looks much neater. Pity about the sidebar, but maybe they'll open it up once it's more established. 01:03, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Cool
Glad this site exists, makes my life easier. Thanks for your contribution to the DA:O community!DrinkySmurf (talk) 04:39, August 2, 2010 (UTC)DrinkySmurf

OK
Ok thanks, if i need any help i'll be sure to let you know TheMaker (talk) 17:20, August 2, 2010 (UTC)

Shouldn't we do something about this user?
User:Veskin7. All his edits are within his user space. He never contributes to articles or forums, and, in fact, admits on his talk page that he never actually played Dragon Age. Basically, he's using our wiki as free webspace for his elaborate fanfiction (which is absolutely not related to DA). Should this really be allowed? Because on Wikipedia, it's not (see WP:NOTBLOG). Anyway, I wouldn't mind it so much if his edits weren't clogging up the activity feed, but he's making numerous edits every day and it's getting annoying. Polymer (talk) 13:16, August 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Loleil and I have been discussing how to precisely handle this. For now, I am going to ask him to stop until a userspace policy is passed. 17:25, August 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's against Wikia Community Guidelines: "Wikis are a great place to build content on a specific topic, not a place to spam links to your latest product or to post  non-relevant material . Spam will be removed, so please don't add it to begin with." LouCypher (talk) 10:05, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery
So, I was messing with galleries a little bit, and I changed the captions we normally use on Arl of Redcliffe's Estate. I kind of like it a little bit more, if the caption is short enough. What do you think? Keep in mind that color can be changed, as well as the transparency. 12:27, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like too, just that bit neater than having the text float underneath. 02:16, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Wardens
Hey cool, our Wardens are just the same, they even look alike! Your rogue was archer or dual-wield?--The Bard From Hell (talk) 18:24, August 4, 2010 (UTC)The Bard From Hell
 * Neat . I went with dual wielding and had a ball! 02:16, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Just wanted to give you a quick thanks for helping to keep this Wiki detailed and informative. :3

/gratitude

--Aelynne (talk) 08:48, August 5, 2010 (UTC)

Rules for posting:
This is the first Wiki I have been to where nothing on it says, "We want this, don't do that." I am curious about what we are and are not supposed to do. Can or should we:

1: Post opinions on strategy pages?

2: Fill in gaps when posting lore?

3: Create new pages?

4: post unreferenced material?


 * We're working on it.


 * 1) As strategy pages are nearly all opinion anyway that should be okay (whether or not we should keep the strategy pages is another question).
 * 2) As long as it accurate, and not assumptions or theories, filling in gaps is a good thing.
 * 3) Depends on the page. Generally it's preferable to have one well rounded page, rather than a whole lot of stubby articles.
 * 4) Again depends on the circumstance. If you are adding something from the game it should be fine without a reference, but something like a developer quote should have a citation. 13:09, August 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * We're hosted on Wikia, so you must follow Wikia's Terms of Use and Community Guidelines. The links are on the bottom. -LouCypher (talk) 06:52, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Trivia
I noticed you changed the page I edited about the werewolf's parleying. I thought it was a pretty obvious reference, as the werewolf mentioned and emphasised Parley several times, and it was almost out of character the way he did it, although the rest of his voice acting was good. Also it's probably Barbossa's most famous line.

Anyway, I wasn't trying to mess up the wiki, just thought I had a genuine bit to add. Sorry :)


 * No need to apologise! Trivia is currently a bit of a grey area, but I'm going to start a brainstorming session in the wiki discussion section of the forums if you'd like to participate. 00:04, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Hey thanks, I really liked the Dragon Age games when i bought the first one i couldn't stop playing it until i played through every race and class at least once the game is addicting. But I had to use the this wiki once or twice to finally find and item i was looking for and now I decided to contribute and get on.--Awar King (talk) 07:18, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Hi, I am planning to use my blog section to list what kind of mods I am using, including the links to the mods (only dragonage nexus and Bioware). Is this okay for you as administrator, because I won't like to cause any trouble? Finnyanne (talk) 23:56, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine. I'll have another look when you have started and let you know if there are any problems . 00:56, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Image Question
Hey there, I recently created the page Genlock Necromancer and uploaded some images, which you deleted because it failefd to upload. how do I correctly upload the image? --Lord K (talk) 02:01, August 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I believe it's a problem on the Wikia side of things, as it has happened to several users (including me). I don't think there is a solution yet, but you could use Special:Contact to see if the staff have any ideas. 02:29, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Loleil-Thank you for your help with my character page! Stop by any time and check my warden. Thanks for the help.-Antares221

No. I feel like an uninformed idiot. Ha. Sorry to do this but how in the world do you do that? That would be awesome! Let me know. Thanks again for all your help.-Antares221

Trivia
Thanx 4 catching that haha i dident even think 2 check that :D --Kingkain21 (talk) 07:51, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Kingkain21


 * That's okay, but you gotta do you your fact checking . Also, you might want to hold off adding any more trivia while we get our guidelines worked out. You can participate in the discussion at Forum:Trivia guidelines brainstorm if you like. 07:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

U take off my edits and mock me 2? haha jk I will 4 sre check that out thanx.--Kingkain21 (talk) 08:03, August 7, 2010 (UTC)Kingkain21

Thank you for cleaning up behind me
I tried to upload a pic of Keenan and could not get it to work. I left to find out what I need to do and had no luck. So i was coming back to remove it and low and behold you fixed it. May your life be forever happy, Your bank account forever full, and your home forever clean.

By the way would you tell me what you did please. Leave it on my talk page if you would be so kind.--IceStar100 (talk) 08:57, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the welcome note, if I see any place where I can improve I'll try.

Darth Garak (talk) 12:24, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for the welcome note, if I see any place where I can improve I'll try. Darth Garak (talk) 12:23, August 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry for the double post, net had a short freeze and decided it hated me.
 * No problem. If you're ever short of anything to do, just let me know . 00:00, August 8, 2010 (UTC)

Greetings
Hi. I am a frequent editor at Mass Effect Wiki, and I'm working on a project to improve the News System over there. I want to make it look more akin to the one here, or at the Fallout Wiki, but this is my first project of any kind, and I simply can't figure out how to make this thing work right. As you're an admin here, I figured I'd ask you how the whole system works, so I can implement it on my project, and see if I really want to go through with this. Thank you for your time, as I'm sure you have better things to do then mess around with this. Arbington (talk) 05:20, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * What precisely were you wanting to do? 05:27, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I want to propose that we change the wiki's current news system, shown on the Main Page here, with the sort of blog/news hybrid system this wiki uses. I personally have always thought that the system here looks better, and I've found that a few other over on Mass Effect wiki think the same. Unfortunately, I'm having trouble implementing the system on my project page. Arbington (talk) 05:33, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oh neat! It's a good system apart from the occasional spammer. I believe it's just based around this code, though you may need to fine tune the CSS for customization purposes.  News plain date News More news... Though obviously if you have no blog posts categorized as news it won't work. Max is our tech expert so he might be able to answer more difficult questions. 05:38, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) Yeah, Loleil beat me to the code. You can check out Help:Blog article/Bloglist for all the parameters you can use. You can also check out Category:News to see how we handle it. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. 05:41, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks to both of you. I should be able to get this all up and running now. Arbington (talk) 05:46, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll be sure to drop by and check out your proposal . 05:48, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Wynne
Thank you for letting me know.
 * No problems.  03:17, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Creating categories
Hey there, I was looking to create some new categories, including some for noble characters, Dalish elves, casteless dwarves and the like, but I do not know how to go about creating them. I'm assuming it's done through the create a new article page or that creating a new category is an admin ability. Wanted to ask you before I went and did something. SoggyBobcat (talk) 06:17, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for asking . There are a couple of ways to create new categories. You can use the create new articles, but you need to add Category: first. You can also add the category you want to a page and then click on the redlink as a short-cut. However, I'd appreciate if you can start a discussion in the wiki discussion section of the forums to discuss this, just to make sure they will fit into the category tree. 06:25, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Queen Anora
I'm curious why you removed the "slim and beautiful" line. It came from the same source as the two paragraphs above it, Bioware's character file for Anora, which is referenced.

I'm also uncertain about the use of After the Battle over Epilogue for material that Bioware classifies as part of the epilogue within the toolset. The epilogue as defined by Bioware can be divided into four possible subsections:
 * Coronation (epi100)
 * Funeral (epi200)
 * Post-Coronation (epi300)
 * Slideshow

They are all nevertheless considered part of the game's epilogue. -Vim- (talk) 11:21, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I always assumed that appearance, like the age, was something for the voice actors to base their performance off. It also comes across as subjective (especially for readers who might be unaware of the toolset), and isn't hugely necessary as there is a picture which can allow people to judge for themselves.


 * I changed the heading for consistency. Previously it was "Epilogue" and "Epilogue Slideshow". None of the other characters (that I'm aware of) use that format. If you want to put it all under the epilogue heading though, I don't have a problem with that. 22:54, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Bioware clearly hasn't respected the ages it lists for the characters. Even the finished game can contradict both itself and the novels on various timeline issues. Just trying to figure out Alistair's age gives me a headache. Appearance on the other hand is a trait that only a small group of characters have been assigned like Duncan, Morrigan, Howe & Anora. Even Alistair doesn't get a description for his appearance. I think the main reason why I'm inclined to use it is because character models don't have individual bodies, and I think Bioware cut corners on some of the faces. Instead we have body shapes that are entirely dependent on their outfit, and faces that can appear clammy up close. Morrigan has one of the higher quality faces, but in her default outfit looks like a slender waif too thin to fill out her over-sized, but skimpy t-shirt. Put her in noble clothing and suddenly she has the body of a playboy centerfold. Leliana on the other hand can look clammy at times during up close shots. It's a bit disconcerting actually. So it's kind of nice to see what Bioware's original intent was in the character pages for those characters with appearance entries. It's not a huge deal, but it would be nice if we could find a way to add them in without implying that they were said in the game or that the description is the editor's personal opinion. Would something along the lines of "Bioware's character file describes her appearance as ..." be more acceptable?   Another possibility I suppose would be sticking it in the trivia section.


 * Ok, I can definitely see your point regarding the epilogue. Taking a quick look at Alistair, his After the Battle and Epilogue sections appear to be combined under a single Epilogue section with no subsections. It's kind of funny that Anora's epilogue material is more detailed than his, but I suppose that's my fault. When I take a personal interest in a page I can get very detailed, and Anora's was the first that I heavily edited here (as opposed to simply fixing an incorrect fact here or adding a detail there) back before I even created my account. So I recall my contributions to her page particularly fondly. My understanding of even basic features like subheaders however, was a bit lacking back then.  The slideshow should certainly be inside of the epilogue section, and not separate from it. -Vim- (talk) 03:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Wow, I never noticed that about the clothing. Way to ruin my immersion Vim, but I'm happy to add the note note about her appearance in the trivia.


 * You did a great job with her page, (I was actually thinking about making a featured article), and I have a few "pet" articles that I like to keep a close eye on too. Please feel free to take personal interest in as many pages as possible .  04:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Done, and thank you most kindly for the warm words of praise. As always, you are a wonderful source of inspiration on this wiki.


 * It's looking good! And thank you for the kind words, it's much appreciated . 06:24, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

How can you delete your characters?
I've been looking everywhere on how you delete your character from dragon age if you have to many but I cant find out how anywhere the only thing left is to do it through the hard drive. How else do you do it?


 * I use a PC, but I'm guessing you're playing the Xbox? If so, according to Game FAQS "You cannot delete characters from within the game but you can go into the System Settings on your dashboard, then Memory, Games, Dragon Age and manually delete each file saved on the hard drive or memory card. It will read the characters name and where the save is located in game (camp or where ever) so you won't delete important items." 04:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

new dlc question
does anyone know which order to hit the switches marked c,m,w,y ?Myrlyn1968 (talk) 02:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haven't played this one, but you might like to check the solutions listed here. 04:29, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

my page
anyway u can pimp my page out to be kinda like yours? ^_^


 * What exactly did you want to do? Add a character tag, a picture, a to-do list ?


 * P.S. Don't forget to sign your posts by typing ~ . 22:55, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

my page
yea something like that my gamertag is Foxfire49 on xbox live - Zach DeBolt


 * Hey Zach, sorry if I gave the wrong impression, but while I 'm happy to give you tips if you are having problems with the wiki mark-up, editing your user page is the responsibility of each individual editor. 02:38, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

llyod
Can't you also kill him in some cases. I saw a video on youtube that shows it. here is the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id6oQqh_-bY


 * So you can. You add it in the involvement section if you like. 02:38, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Text in grey boxes?
Just wanted to say hi, but I also wanted to know what causes some posts to appear in grey boxes? You usually have to scroll up & down and side to side to read them. (I also wanted to make sure I was doing this right.) RangerWT (talk) 13:44, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Yep, your message is good. You signed it and everything. The type of of text box you're describing happens when someone manually indents the first line of a sentence.

So if I put a space at the beginning of line I get this, (if I'd written a long message the one line would keep going).


 * but if I put a colon at the begginning of a line I get this. Hope that explains it. 23:02, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

I just stopped by to say thank you for the welcome, its nice to feel that way. Sam_Death (talk)23:24, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage Healing Effect %
Will my Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage benefit from Healing Effect % armor since it seems to only bug up on Warriors and Rouges?


 * I'm afraid I'm not familiar with mechanics so I'm not able to answer your question (when I mentioned a talk page I was meaning the Arcane Warrior talk page), but hopefully a passer by might know the answer. If not, there's always the said talk page or the forums. 04:37, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

How to teach the Warden's talents to other companions?
The warden when playing as non-mage found the spirit offering Arcane Warrior specialization, it tells the Warden that he can teach it to someone. Does that means the Warden can teach companions or is it just a part of the story? Trrl (talk) 06:07, August 13, 2010 (UTC)TRRL


 * From what I recall, there's no dialogue or story involved, but next time one of your mage companion levels up you can have them take the specialization (if they have the specialization point of course). 06:15, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Noble Clothing
I didn't get the noble clothing from Marjolaine when I killed her.


 * I see the page has been altered to say "may" so the issue seems resolved, but don't forget to sign your messages by typing ~ when you leave a message on a talk page. 00:29, August 14, 2010 (UTC)

Badges?
Got a question:

I have been away for a few weeks and just realized we started this badges thing. What if I've already done some of the things that the badges represent. Like making a blog post or etc. Do i just have to do it all over again? thanks ---> Diesel Renz  Talk 00:20, August 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * In short, yes. The badges aren't retrospective, so they only count the edits you've made in the last 17 days. Wikia have said that maybe they'll change this in the future, but I wouldn't count on it. 00:23, August 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright then. thanks for the quick reply. ---> Diesel Renz  Talk 00:30, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, nice to be here.Erelas RyAlcar (talk) 07:40, August 15, 2010 (UTC)

Heyas
Hi im Brutalicus and i made the sequel to the shapeshifter's spellpower-to-animals-atributes table yesterday. Ive just finished playing DAA with a group that pwned the whole game without heals. Actualy ive got some things to share and i was thinking about an article on behalf of the 2handed spirit warriors.Ive managed to conclude that they are formifable foes and actually made up to the same damage line as the spirit warrior archers on this post http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Archery%3A_An_Efficient_Approach i couldnt though get to the point of dealing 2300dmg with any skill whatsoever but i managed to deal 1300 with peons plight and massacre on debufed targets. Well thanks for the compliments and lets keep on chatting.


 * Glad you're interested in contributing . Before starting a whole page for a guide though, you might like to just add a section on Spirit Warrior. 03:43, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sell Value
I think in the main item description, There should be a sell value of the item, Right below the item's buy value. Just a suggestion. I don't know if I can personally add it. If so, tell me how. :) --CodyManess (talk) 01:40, August 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm not a bad idea, hopefully it would stop people changing the value to the sale price. To add a new field you need to add it to the template being used. In this case it uses Template:ItemTransformer, which uses Template:InfoBox. As Infobox is protected, you won't be able to edit it, but I'll add a field for "Sale Price". 03:43, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Links
You may have seen that what I added to this wiki is a link to the trophy guide from PS3trophies.com. I would like to work with one of your administrators to get as many of our guides linked to your wikis as possible. Please contact me at ps3trophies.com account name "Phoenix" is this is a possibility.


 * Hey Phoenix, I'm not interested in making an account at PS3 trophies (not having one makes it somewhat pointless ), so I'll respond here. As we only have one page on acheivements and trophies I'm not sure where else you'd want to add a link. If you want to add a link on other wikis you'll need to consult each community as they all have their own guidelines. 03:43, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Age 2 debut trailer.
Hi Loleil, in the official site today august 17th is the debut of the trailer of dragon age 2 ( http://dragonage.bioware.com/da2/ ) so just to give you a heads up or a reminder :) for the wiki. --Lord Anthonior 05:59, August 17, 2010 (UTC) --Anthonior (talk) have a good day.
 * Thanks! I've been keeping an eye on it and hopefully it will come out before I go to bed . 06:09, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

Losing Credits?
How is it I have 40 points one minute and I log back on and I am down to 16? How is this happening and why?
 * The points came from the Achievements extension which has now been disabled. The number you now see in the top right corner is the number of edit you've made. 21:51, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

thank you for explaining that I forgot to add my tag before please forgive me I am forgetful very unfortunately. Sam_Death (talk)02:40, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Saying Goodbye
Hey Loleil, I am going to close my account here on the Wiki. I think I have spent enough time on it and I just want to bring my presence to a close. I cannot figure out how to go about doing so however. If you could help me, that would be great.--Fantasyeve87 19:26, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no way to close your account. The only thing you can do it not edit. 19:42, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Fantasyeve, sorry to see you go, but I hope you had a good time while you were here. Max is right that you can't technically "close" your account, but there a still a few options. The easiest would be to put a note on the top of your user and talk page saying you are retired. You could also write a farewell blog post if you would like. If you never want to use the account again, you can scramble your password and blank your user and talk page and if there's a strong reason for it, I would also consider deleting your user and talk page. 23:17, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

i have a question about dumat's claw
I have been trying to get the random pirate encounter but have not yet been able to do so any advice or help you can give me i would be ever grateful. i have been going from anselm's reef and kal hirol and anselm's reef and the black marsh and i have done all the quests but still nothing.ThanksMyrlyn1968 (talk) 06:17, August 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my memory is a bit hazy on this one. All I really remember is pirates. If I come across it again, I'll let you know. 23:42, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

The RTE
Because I am really starting to get annoyed with it on the ME wiki, I figured I should ask you why it was disabled here, not that I'm complaining, I hate the thing. I read over the forum page about it, but it really only gave one example. I was just curious if you could give me a few more examples about things it did and why it was finally disabled. Thanks in advance. Lancer1289 (talk) 00:44, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Basically it regularly caused major formatting problems on large pages (see here for one example), it inserted piles of junk text, such as the dreaded non-breaking space code, many of our templates required __NOWYSIWYG__ to be inserted anyway, and on a personal note, I always found that it was extremely slow to load, which was more of an annoyance than anything, but still . 00:52, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow it did all of that, well it's nothing, unfortunatly, I haven't seen before. The thing is getting really annoying and since I know you disabled it, I was hoping for a good example, and while I've seen that before, see here if you wish, it is just annoying because most of the users who use the thing are using the source code, which is basically wiki text input with the RTE anyway. Again thank you. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:05, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome . We haven't had any complaints since it been switched off, and best of all no formatting hiccups. 01:11, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow no complaints, I would have expected at least one complaint. Anyway the no formatting mixups must be very good. Again thanks. Lancer1289 (talk) 01:16, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to bug you again about this, but after looking around and since I saw that Max21 would be absent, I figured you might know. Since you disabled the RTE here, do you know how it was disabled? I thought I figured it out, but apparently not. Thanks again. Lancer1289 (talk) 07:08, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh no problems, I believe turning off the RTE require staff intervention, so your best bet would be to use Special:Contact. 07:21, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you again Loleil. :) Lancer1289 (talk) 07:25, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * You just need community support. Once you have that, use Special:Contact and provide a link to the forum page where the vote/discussion was held. 14:43, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. Lancer1289 (talk) 17:23, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Items with different stats in in Awakening/Origins
I'm wondering if there's a standard method for implementing these. Basically, take the Battledress of the Provocateur. I'm trying to add some of these to the appropriate armor pages (Light Armor), however, I'm running into the following issue. Ideally I think it should be listed both under Origins and Awakenings with the different stats for each, but listing the item in the standard format just gives the top (Origins) set of stats. This isn't a problem for things like The High Regard of House Dace because that item has the same stats in each and listing it in Origins alone is fine.

Would it be more appropriate to create separate pages for these items (Battledress of the Provocateur and Battledress of the Provocateur (Awakenings) for example) or should we handle it another way? Tivadar (talk) 13:06, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is a known problem, but not one with a perfect solution. It is also one that requires more knowledge of templates than I have . You might like to look at Forum:Iconmini & multiple infoboxes which discusses a similar problems. If you have further questions, Max might be able to help. 02:43, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Dragon Age 2
May I add Alistair to the know characters as he is confirmed to appear, but older, also, may I add a, Rumoured Characters part to the page :) xxx
 * You can add Alistair if you are able to provide a valid source. Unfortunately a "Rumours" section is not a good idea. It could quickly grow out of control and give people the wrong idea. If you'd like to discuss rumours though, you could check out the forums.  22:53, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Trailer

 * Loleil, I found this extended video of the trailer and I think it should be here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmamurDOx8s&feature=sub but I leaving it up to you since I don't know how to upload youtube videos in here and well, better to be you :)--Anthonior (talk)


 * Thanks Anthnior. I might pop it on the videos page once I get it up and running. 02:31, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Should this be placed in the DLC page for the game
I got Golems of Amgarrak, and went to my Awakenings game (A disk copy for the PS3) and it will not pass the "Checking Save Data". Is this due to the 1.04 update? It did ask if I wanted to update to 1.03 the first time I tried. If so, is this a actual bug? And should that be placed on the main GOA page? I do not know anyone else with the game, thus cannot verify if it is in fact a bug.Bahamutskingdom (talk) 04:09, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * It does seem like a bug, but rather than adding it to the page I'd recommend visiting the BioWare Tech Support forums to report your problem. 10:01, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

text format?
im kinda new to using a not school related wiki so idk how to do conversations in the forum things on here...help?
 * You won't have to worry too much about formatting in the forums. The most important thing is to remember to sign and date your posts by typing ~ . You should also indent your post by using a colon. If you want a detailed walkthrough of starting a forum see here. 10:01, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

Spam?
Hi Loleil, I normally do not like to complain about those who regulate or watch over the forums I belong too, but Max21 has gone too far in my opinion, the things Max21 has taken out from the threads should not have been. Sure, they were kind of off topic, but I have not been on a forum where things did not go off topic from time to time. That is Human nature to go astray when talking and the things Max21 took out now makes the threads not flow and confusing for anyone just coming into the Wiki. You need to let those who post have a little freedom or you will lose members. Now I can understand if the threads Max21 edited were over half of the thread off topic, but just a few short post? Now that is unreasonable and Nazi like if you must know. Anya (talk)15:18, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please describe how any of these are related to the Chantry. Or tell me how a discussion about names is related to the topic of marrying Alistair. I have given you much freedom as it is. If it were up to me, I would remove the forums entirely. Follow the guidelines and you shouldn't have a problem. Go off-topic, and you will quickly invite me to the thread. I am not going to stop just because some users are complaining about unsubstantiated liberties that were never given to them in the first place. 15:32, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

I said this " I have read the arguments here and have explained myself and views as well as quoted the pages here when needed, but if you want me to go point by point then I will, just not at this moment not that I running away, it is just that my net connection is not that great to stay online and write what you want, also I go into the VA Hospital in Pittsburgh to have surgery on my left hand and arm, so I will have to write it one handed and it will take some time, but I will get back to you." to explain why I could not reply to RPHB at this time, since what I need to say is very long winded, so yea, this is on topic. Anya (talk)15:40, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * No, it is not. You need reasoning behind an argument. Saying "it's on topic" doesn't automatically make it on topic. It is the point in the thread where everything went off. The thing you should have done is left that on his talk page, where it would be appropriate and permitted to stay. No one is blocked, so I don't understand why you are getting your feathers all ruffled. Plus, that thread is three months old; it's hard to stay on topic for three months. 15:44, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Apparently you did not read the post throughly, because I was explaining why I could not get into a full in depth reply to the question posed to me. But, I guess I should have expected this from someone who wants to shut the forum down. I came here to meet people and make friends who shared the love of a game I love as well. Oh, well such is life, guess I wont be posting as much as I have in the past. Anya (talk)00:40, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Anya


 * Having a look over the diffs here I can see why Max chose to remove some comments. Threads that veer too far into real world territory are a bit of problem as, to me, discussion about real world issues tend to be more contentious and therefore harder to moderate and possibly harder for people to enjoy. The discussion about the names also went on a little too long, probably would have been better if that one had moved to Sam Death's talk page.


 * I hope your surgery goes well and if you want to discuss this further when you're feeling better I'll be here. 01:18, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * If the forums disappeared, I would not come to this website. I'm sure that is true for many of the users. I can understand cutting off topics if they become abusive or offensive, but otherwise why bother?  The forums are mainly a social venue for users of this wiki.  Yes, they serve a function, but if if you were to remove the social element, and make them more of a reference tool, the membership would grind to a halt.  I believe the forums should be allowed more latitude, as it would encourage more traffic.  Censorship is a dark, tricky road. LVTDUDE (talk) 03:08, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any wiki outside of Wikia does not have a forum, so to say it would "grind to a halt" is disproven. We have given more leniency to the forums, often turning our heads when we see something. However, Wikia has placed rules on what is to be said and so has Google (in terms of their AdSense). It isn't full censorship, but cursing every other word is going to get you into trouble. People might think of me as a "big ol' meanie". Well, sorry, there are rules in every walk of life; staying on topic and minimizing foul language are two of them here. If people feel they cannot abide but such little rules, then they are free to leave or go some place where there is more leniency. With that being said, people need to understand how things work. We cannot be lenient in the forums and strict everywhere else. There is no deviation in terms of jurisprudence; well, at least not anymore. 03:37, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

I have two main goals for the wiki; high quality articles and a happy community. Quality of discussion isn't too important to me on the forums as long as they actually discuss Dragon Age and there aren't multiple topics on the same thing, I'm unlikely to intervene. However, having a happy community is an important function of the forums to me. If I see articles where people are getting overly hostile, that's where I likely to step in. Generally though, I see the forums as largely self regulating and I hope there won't be much too much of a need for admins to step in, unless they want to chat of course. 08:03, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that cursing should be curbed on the forums. The problem I have is with staying on topic.  The forums encourage conversations, and conversations involving real people tend to stray off topic, and people shouldn't have to be worried about being blocked while having a simple conversation.  No, I don't think people should be arguing the usual taboo topics like religion, politics, abortion, etc., but if someone mentions a game situation that inspires someone to tell a related story from their own life, then I'm fine with that. LVTDUDE (talk) 15:21, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * All large forums have regulations regarding conversations and whether or not they are on-topic. Obviously there is some permitted deviation, which I have permitted as well, but when the side talk begins to outweigh the original topic, then there is a problem. Is it a huge thing? No. And neither is the fact that they would be closed or cleared. 15:24, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

i would like to add to what max and loliel are saying
even though i am not an admin of this wiki i agree with max and loleil on this Myrlyn1968 (talk) 08:31, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

new screenshoots for Witch hunt.
Hi Loleil, I was checking the oficial site and forums and in a thread they put this link http://www.rpgfrance.com/actu-7659-nouveaux-screenshots-pour-witch-hunt In french...yeah, but new screenshots in case for the news or updates in here, there is a mabari over there. :)--Anthonior (talk) 11:11, August 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * The mubari is clearly helping out. If he's a party member, then it's highly fitting that the Warden's faithful Dog returns for this last adventure. Nice find. -Vim- (talk) 00:14, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * You may also notice that the room is the phylactery chamber from the Circle of Magi. LVTDUDE (talk) 00:59, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

You can post these screenshots once the mabari is oficially declared part of the party in his page as well for Arianne or for the thread of the expansion pack if you see fit to upload them. Yeah lvtude, jowan's phylactery used to be there I recognized the place, maybe is part of the quest to help arianne to recover the relic she is looking for or to help the mage in the picture since the warden is warrior or rogue using starfang, I still say that it's a shame I can have Morrigan in my party...damn it! hehehe. --Anthonior (talk) 02:20, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Anthonior! I do so hope we get one last adventure with our dog. 02:37, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Loleil, I just read your message. I figured that we couldn't just delete it. I am actually going to stay on the wiki and just minimize my responses. Thank you though for your responses, and to Max21 as well. You've both been a great help. :)
 * Happy to help and you're going to stick around . 02:37, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for the warm welcome, Loleil. I would prefer not to register, however, since I do not plan on becoming a regular contributor. I just saw something that needed to be added, so I did it. Thanks again for the welcome. I appreciate your thoughtfulness!

98.210.244.255 (talk) 15:57, August 31, 2010 (UTC)

Please
Please look into the situation on my talk page. I just want it to stop, but I feel like there's nothing I can do. Should I have to ignore my own talk page to achieve peace? LVTDUDE (talk) 03:21, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Having a look over the situation I don't think your comment on Tierrie's talk page was out of line. User talk pages are usually considered the domain of their editor, so if you see a comment on your talk page you don't like you're within your rights to remove it, though some editors make take offence at that. 03:56, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. LVTDUDE (talk) 04:04, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's okay, I needed a reminder to get those guidelines up . 04:25, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize I was providing a service. That'll be 5 dollars. LVTDUDE (talk) 04:32, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about that. I still haven't got that cake you promised. 04:35, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you cannot remove your comments. The status quo does not enable you to; you can only do so at the conclusion of the recall discussion if that is the outcome. 05:05, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, well when the admins tell me different things, what am I supposed to believe? This is getting silly, and disappointing. LVTDUDE (talk) 05:10, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You participate in the discussion. 05:11, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Max, I can't see how following the status quo here is a bad thing, but I've left my thoughts on the talk page. 05:12, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * You invoked your adjudicative rights as an administrator; and as a disagreeing administrator, I felt the need to stop it from becoming a policy before a discussion is held. It is a right have, especially as an administrator. 05:20, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

AA
Please do not unblock a member that another member has block, as it is a clear violation of AA. I know your intention was good, but it is still not permitted under policy. 11:12, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * We discussed this when the policy was proposed and while it is true that there is no official block policy as of now, I think my actions were very much keeping in the spirit of the consensus we came to.  11:20, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * And isn't undoing my unblock without discussion also a violation of DA:AA? 11:22, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, because it returns it to the state of the situation it was at before the policy was violated. 11:44, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * And where does it specify that right of admins to do that in the policy? I'm too tired to discuss this further right now, but I feel there's too much grey in that policy and I still believe I was operating in line with the exemptions discussed in the forums. 11:53, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Be it a matter of... blocking... no single member of the administration or bureaucracy may overturn another administrator's decision. If you are not permitted to do something, such prohibited actions are to be reverted. This follows the logic used on any policy (insults, vandalism, removal of messages, etc.). 11:57, September 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Max,
 * You wrote a policy that no one except you understands. And that no one except you uses. In reading the discussion surrounding the rule you misled the community into thinking that the intention is to reduce administrator fights. But, instead, you are using it to entrench your actions by preventing it from being undone. Why does the rule even exist? There were only one administrator when it was put into place. If you cannot get the other ONE very agreeable bureaucrat to agree with you then you should not be in a position where mediation is required. The proposal is written so that disagreeing with YOU is against against policy. That's ridiculous and hold's no weight in an open forum.
 * The way you handled the situation on my talk page and your subsequent comments on on LVTDUDE's page afterwards follows a pattern of abuse. You followed a user from my talk page back to his own in order to harass him. It also looks like you were baiting him to say something wrong so you can ban him. You resorted to implied threats on the user in order to quell free speech. This is very much out of line.
 * You write policies that entrench your power. What you are currently enforcing and what you wrote in the AA as well as its described intent has nothing at all in common. The intent is to prevent administrative fights. What you have here is essentially a way of saying "Anyone else who disagrees with me is an outlaw".
 * You disregard the free spirit on which wiki is founded. Based on my experience with working with you in the past 2 days, I know that you are more than willing to step all over someone's work. While it is unacceptable for someone to make changes to something you've touched.
 * You insist on using shame as a form of punishment. This is bullshit. There's nothing in a gaming forum that can be so wrong that you need to invent new ways of punishing people.
 * You've turned my favorite wiki from a smoothly running, funny, courteous forum into a bureaucratic nightmare where people MUST use proper indentation or sign their messages just so. How is that better? You are a negative influence on this wiki. You should resign. -- 18:49, September 2, 2010 (UTC)

Bigotry
Hey, Loleil,

The forum topic Forum:Do Most People Dislike/Hate Zevran? had someone post some bigoted language, namely the word "faggot", and put the post at the top of the page for everyone to see. I edited the word out, but left the post. I don't know if I should have done that, but there is some hateful stuff starting in that thread. I imagine it should be closed pretty soon. Just thought I'd give a heads up before things get ugly. LVTDUDE (talk) 03:49, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, that conversation wasn't going anywhere good! Also, removing insulting comments and words like that is just like removing vandalism, so you're all good. 04:38, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool. Didn't want to overstep my bounds.  I don't want anyone to mistake me for one of you guys.  LVTDUDE (talk) 04:59, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * What good guys? We're bad bad people. Loleil steals candies. True story. -- 05:13, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I made the mistake of promising her a cake once. Now she'll never let me live it down.  Driven by cake and candies.  Possessed by a Sugar Demon perhaps? LVTDUDE (talk) 05:29, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * That'd make her the marshmellow man. -- 05:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * No personal attacks you two . There's nothing wrong with a healthy sugar obsession. 05:54, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't mind me, I'm just here to take notes on the sugary skeletons in your closet... -Vim- (talk) 06:34, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just because she was summoned here by the apostate Dan Akroyd doesn't make her all bad. Oh, and by the way, we are all seriously off-topic and are in need of punishment. LVTDUDE (talk) 05:56, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Punishment will continue until morale improves. -- 06:18, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you say more ale? -Oghren LVTDUDE (talk) 06:25, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

The Wikia's Skin
While most people are worried about it's soul and purpose, I'd like to know if there's a way of applying the skin to another site. I've got a play-by-post site for playing RPG with my old friends, and the campaing very much like DA: dark, gritty, violent, etc., so the black-and-bloody-red skin of the wikia would fit it just perfect. Is there any way it can be done, to use the wikia's skin on another non-wikia site? Thanking you in advance. The Bard From Hell (talk) 15:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * On this wiki the skin is programmed in the MediaWiki:Monaco.css. I'm afraid I have next to knowledge of the intricacies of CSS, so I'm not sure if it would be possible to port it over to a non-Wikia site. I would guess not, but some of the file that are used can be seen here, here, here, and here if that helps at all. 08:23, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks anyway! :) The Bard From Hell (talk) 14:34, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

new dlc witch hunt question
Does anyone know what time witch hunt will be available for ps3 users the last one was a long time waitingMyrlyn1968 (talk) 23:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard anything, but I would assume they'll be aiming to get them all out as close as possible. 08:23, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * According to Bioware's web site, it will be released for all 3 platforms (pc, xbox & ps3) tomorrow (September 7th). -Vim- (talk) 11:42, September 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just saw an update over at the BioWare forums.

Rough DLC release timing - please keep in mind these are estimates, there can always be local delays as well as time needed for content to propagate/mirrored to all servers:

360 worldwide: early tuesday AM, pacific time

(MS usually does their DLC updates tuesdays worldwide around 4AM PST)

PC/Mac worldwide: tuesday, by 10AM mountain time

(we aim for putting PC & Mac DLCs live worldwide by 10AM our time - mountain time - on the same day as the earliest other platform or retail launch)

PS3 North America - mid day tuesday, pacific time

(Sony America does their DLC updates for NA PSN stores on tuesdays between noon and mid-aft PST)

PS3 Europe (and PAL region - incl Oz) - mid afternoon wednesday, GMT

(Sony Europe does their DLC updates for all EU and other PAL region PSN stores on wednesdays, between noon and mid-aft GMT)


 * Hope that helps. 00:16, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hope I can help.
Hello Loleil, my name's Frank and I really appreciate all the help that this site have given me. If it's fine I'd like to help out with it. Just will some small dialog things or whatever I can. I know that I probably don't have to write this message, but I thought it would be better to at least say something instead of just starting to edit a bunch of stuff. ^^

Francisco Da Costa (talk) 01:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)Frank


 * Welcome to the editing side of things Frank . Let me know if you need any help. 01:12, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Administrators
Hey Loleil, I'm following up on the conversation we had the other day about needing more administrators. I can write up the proposal for you and need to know how many you think would be necessary? In my mind I think we can get by with 1 or 2 good folks and that will allow us to set the ground work for DA2. After that, we can see where it goes and add more people if needed. -- 18:41, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think one or two sounds good. The only problem is the wiki is a bit light on the ground for regular content editors, so we may have to search a bit to find the right candidates. 21:19, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Puzzled?
Just wondering about something, I made an edit on the Thaigs page about Zygmunt Thaig and now it is gone. I did not make this up because when you talk to the Shaper in Orzammar he says the following;

"Shaper: If you count the 6th level of remove, I am related to every Noble house that currently has a seat in the Assembly. I can even trace my descnt dircetly to House Zygmunt, which lost its thaig to the Darkspawn thirteen generations ago."

Would this not be a valid Thaig, even though it was lost to Darkspawn? Anya (talk)01:19, September 11, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi Anya, it looks like it was removed by an unregistered user who wanted proof, so I suggest you add it back in and this time add a note about where you found it. 04:53, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, I put it back, but make sure I did it right will you, thank you. Anya (talk)10:34, September 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * You have the right idea. Generally, there are several ways to offer proof, including:
 * Place the proof in the talk page for that article, then reference the talk page in your edit comment. If the talk page doesn't exist you can create it.
 * Place a short note on the same page sort of like you've done. You need to work the explanation into the page however so it fits the page well. This generally requires a little more thought then (1) above.
 * If there is no existing page for the thing you've mentioned, create a page for it and work your explanation into the description for it. Kobaliman Thaig is a good example of another Thaig that is never visited, but only mentioned.


 * In this case (3) is the best choice because your link for Zygmunt Thaig will no longer be broken, but will instead take anyone who clicks on it to your explanation on its page much the way Kobaliman Thaig is currently handled. -Vim- (talk) 14:01, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Anya (talk)11:51, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for your kind and thoughtful messsage.
Many thanks.

WarPaint (talk) 03:07, September 12, 2010 (UTC)

New page...
someone created a new page (unregistered) called In search of morrigan and it has nothing in it except 'poop dick', delete it? --Drldrl (talk) 19:29, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha that goes without saying. I believe that's the name of the new quest from Witch Hunt so I left the page there. I did delete the content and banned the user though. Cheers! -- 19:31, September 13, 2010 (UTC)

Administrator needed!
Hey o wise and awesome one! Remember how you were like, "oh noes who is going to help us out?!" and I said, "we'll find some new peons!". Turns out there's a lot of people who believe want this gig! So based on the feedback, it looks like the community has suggested Aedan Cousland and User:-Vim- under the bus. I don't know them very well since I got back, and their edit history seems to be mostly in the forum space, but, I like the way they go about their comments. It suggests thinking rational human beings capable of compromise, yet, naive enough to want the job! A perfect combination! :D

There's also a third person that I'd like to recommend - D-day. While he isn't as active in the forums, he/she has a ton of experience that could really help us out. That means, eventually working on the stylesheets and the templates. I daresay that he/she knows much more than I do and seems willing to help. I'll put all this together in a forum post for feedback within the next day or two. Goodbye o wise and awesome one. -- 18:56, September 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha looking the comments it seems like there are a lot of people saying that other people should have the job, wise move on their part.


 * Vim's actually done a lot of good work in the content pages, Anora and most of the pages about Leliana's Song are his doing, so I think he would make a good addition to the team if he's feeling game.


 * Aedan is admittedly more focused on the forums, but as they are relatively active, perhaps we can look at creating a new "Forum Moderator" position? I'm thinking at this stage we wouldn't promote the moderator to admin, but they would have a fancy title and the official support of the admin team. I'm thinking their role would be to drop in with a "be nice" here, a "stay on topic" there, and then if closing topics or blocking editors needs to happen they could drop a note to an admin. I'm not sure if this is feasible, but I think it would be nice to have someone from the forums to keep an eye on them.


 * Also, mighty work with that delete button! 03:27, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you thank you. I mostly went through with a big button and a liberal interpretation of "delete" and it appears to be no worse for wear. Nothing broke and the wiki is still running so I declared my attempt a GREAT SUCCESS!.
 * There's no Forum Moderator position built into the wiki, but there's a patroller one. I think we can promote Aedan to that without fanfare and let that be a position of honor. And we might as well putting a few other guys in that position too since they're all suckers for it ;) -- 19:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well I suppose if we want to give people actual powers instead of imaginary ones we can go with patrollers . I still can't add that right though, so I'll get onto the staff and see if they can fix it! 06:21, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Spoilers
Just asking: are spoilers allowed in templates? - Chimto (talk) 08:15, September 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * As templates have high visibility it's a good idea to leave spoilers out of them. 06:21, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

A Few Questions
There is a problem report about Witch Hunt's bugs and I couldn't find it. Could you please check it. And I have knowledge about what this game was based on. May I share it? (I'm only asking because it's a bit off-topic) "the"shapeshifter (talk) 14:47, September 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I just went through the bug list on Witch Hunt's page. Let me know if there is still a problem with that page. As far as your question is concerned, new contributors are always welcome. Nevertheless, can you be a little more descriptive about the knowledge you'd like to add? In general, relevant facts are welcome in main articles. Speculation, opinions, and other personalized statements are better left to forums and talk pages. -Vim- (talk) 19:29, September 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * I didn't see the problem but there was and still is a problem report about that page. Games like Dragon Age and WoW are based on an ancient english mythology. I'd like to explain the mythology. "the"shapeshifter (talk) 13:05, September 18 (UTC)


 * Ah, you mean the vandalism problem report from the 14th. It wasn't very descriptive and that section of Witch Hunt looks fine to me now. I've asked the report filer if the problem still exists in a comment. One of the admins will eventually have to close it. I see why you contacted Loleil about it. As far as mythology is concerned, that's a borderline area. See  this thread for some guidelines written by Loleil as well as a discussion on the subject. -Vim- (talk) 14:52, September 18, 2010 (UTC)

Table of Content
Ola! I'm thinking of making some changes to the ToC, so, if its alright with you I'll go ahead and do some tweaks? Mostly working towards hard coding the categories in so they don't rely on auto generated pages like Equipment -> Armor -> Randomly generated list.

I put some of the first few categories up at MediaWiki_talk:Monaco-sidebar so anyone interested can do some feedback on it. -- 20:35, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * No probs. I think the sidebar be one of the things getting a revamp in the new Wikia skin, so it may not be worth putting heaps of effort into it, but if you want to fix it up it the mean time, go for it! 02:18, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Default Skin Only?
Hey Loleil, you previously told me how to use a different skin because the black backgrounds and white letters were causing migraine flare-ups. Well, all of a sudden I can't override the skin anymore. (I can choose "Monobook", but it's looks really odd and has limited accessibility, apparently) I went to my preferences and the option to untick the "let admins set...." option is gone. Am I stuck with this skin now? If so, I may have to severely limit my time here (I know that will make some happy, I guess...). Anyway, can you let me know if this is a glitch or just the way it's going to be from now on? Thanks. (and if you need to be bribed with cake and cookies to get my skin back, I'll find a way to ship some to you.) LVTDUDE (talk) 00:35, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just had a look and changes are definitely afoot. Wikia is in the process of moving over to a new skin so I suspect it may be related to that. I shall see if I can uncover a bit more info for you. 03:52, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. LVTDUDE (talk) 21:32, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * At this stage I think the only way for me to fix it is to change the skin for the whole site :(. I'll let you know if any other options become available. 02:26, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it, Loleil. I've been able to minimize the problem somewhat by adjusting the brightness and contrast on my screen. Making the whites less white and the blacks less black helps quite a bit. Less etching of my eyeballs. Of course that totally screws up every other site I look at, but it isn't that hard to revert back and forth. Beats a migraine, to be sure.  I'm enjoying the new admin trio quite a bit more, by the way. Keep up the good work. You guys rock. LVTDUDE (talk) 05:52, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Opinion
Hey there. I don't usually do this.. actually I never do this, but now I just feel like I have to. I'm having a bit of an argument with a fellow editor regarding some content. The whole discussion is on Talk:Ariane, should you wish to view it. I am just a bit more active on the Mass Effect wiki, so maybe I developed some habbits (good or bad) from seeing how things go there. Therefore, some of those standards could of rubbed off on me and, granted that I am not the most experienced user, tend to apply them here when editing content. In short, he added an issue as a bug (and more recently, as trivia) which only he encountered, in the Witch Hunt and Ariane articles, and I feel that content doesn't quite belong there or anywhere, yet. Should it be in an article, I think it would at most be that particular item's article. I've said my piece on the matter and I'm not about to start an editing war with him, so I am asking you for an opinion. Thanks for your time. Prismvg (talk) 21:10, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for not responding to this sooner. Having looked over the talk page I think you've handled yourself well. I shall respond further on the talk page. 02:26, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

No problem. And thanks again for looking into it. Prismvg (talk) 08:36, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Bot flag and Orlesian Mask
Tierrie told me that he notified you to request a bot flag for my bot. It has been a week now, so I'm wondering if you could send a ticket to Wikia again? If Tierrie didn't specify, I'll be using the bot for repetitive/tedious tasks (update links, change categories, replace templates, etc.) without flooding the RC. I used Day-bot on another wiki, and another bot somewhere else, if you're curious to see what kind of edits I do with them.

On another note, I cannot create Orlesian Mask. When I submit the page, it simply leads me to a blank one. This may have to do with the page deletion, I am not sure. Can you create the page for me? If it works, you can just make it into a stub, I will format it accordingly. :] --D. (talk · contr) 14:48, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Regarding the deleted pages that cannot be created (I get it with Uncrushable Pigeon), I have sent a ticket to the Wikia team (just in case you were going to do it). I think this has something to do with CreatePage, although I don't know if administrators will get this bug. Just wanted to give an update regarding the issue.--D. (talk · contr) 22:08, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I re-created the pages as stubs for you. Cheers! -- 23:01, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tierrie! I think I'm going to have to find new deleted pages for Wikia for testing, lol. --D. (talk · contr) 23:08, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I also just recreated The Chant of Light, Unabridged ;) -- 08:17, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Hmm either Tierrie's memory is slipping or mine is because I don't recall being asked to request a bot flag for you. If you still need one let me know and I'll get on it right away. Also, a big thanks for your hard work. 02:26, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, it still needs a bot flag. --D. (talk · contr) 12:17, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Message sent! 04:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you haven't seen already, the flag has now been added. 03:02, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Prismvg's apology
I am sorry that you feel you had to say what you said to me but I do not believe Prismvg's apology was offered “in good faith” or genuine.

I also found other insults in the reply to me that I did not address such as Prismvg's implication that I did not respect “the policy” and that I was somehow violating it.

I have read the tutorial many times and two things about it stood out to me. The first was “Don't be afraid to edit” and the second was “it is considered polite to ask before doing major edits to these pages.”

I don't think Prismvg respected either of these in regards to the presentation made to me.

By removing my edits without prior notification or discussion, Prismvg is discouraging people from editing and also is not being polite.

I rejected many of the off-the-cuff arguments that were made by Prismvg such as the contention that a statement of fact is a policy issue or that some action was a sort of an exploit.

I even thought one of Prismvg's arguments was on firmer ground such as the stuff about the bug section so I have moved that to trivia so I am wondering why you write that this “may be subject to removal.”

My initial posts about the rune slots appearing were made in “good faith” but I have serious doubts that most of Prismvg's arguments to me were made in “good faith” since he kept changing the nature of his arguments. Sophomoric arguments are seldom made “good faith” as the ground under them is constantly sifting.

Finally, I will remind you that I am not the one that brought up the implication that someone was lying or wrong. This was uncalled for and totally out of line on the part of Prismvg. The apology made to me made no effort to acknowledge that this is untoward and offensive behavior that has no part in polite conversation.

Based on the evidence of Prismvg's words to me, I do not accept the apology was genuine.

I find it interesting that you found it necessary to slightly chastise me about this matter but I am not exactly sure what to make of it. I would hope that you did the same to Prismvg for his unthoughtful language of even suggesting that someone is a liar.--Diosprometheus (talk) 18:16, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

It figures that Prismvg complained to you about our disagreement. After positng this response, I read that that is the case. I must have a very unique XBox to be the only one to get the slots. Another asserted absurdity.--Diosprometheus (talk) 18:43, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can understand that it feels different when you are in the situation, but from an outsiders perspective you appeared more hostile and seemed to take all of Prismvg's comments in the worst possible light.


 * It is true that discussing major edits is good practice, but removing a couple of sentences does not automatically qualify as a major edit. If every removal of content had to be discussed prior to action, very little progress could be made.


 * I mentioned that it may be subject to removal once some guidelines are up and running, because it may be, just as every other bug would be.


 * At this stage, I see this as a content disagreement. I feel that you added the information to improve coverage and I appreciate that, but I also feel that Prismvg's edits were also made with the best interests of the wiki in mind. If you are interested in how bugs are dealt with, I'm happy to let you know when the guidelines get up and running. 04:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Look this conversation is moot. The content that was under discussion is no longer in the bug section or the other ones. I moved both additions to what I think is more appropriate section.

I was not looking for a fight with him or anyone. I never removed another person's edit. I only added information that I thought was helpful and useful. I was not looking for a fight or a “flame war” with anyone, and look what I got from all this. A so-called editor suggested that I am a liar and then runs to you when he does not get his way, tossing gasoline on the smoldering embers. Then you accuse me of having “bad faith” and say I am “hostile”. Nice, real nice. Some animals are more equal than other animals around here. Some editors have more influence than others. I am not feeling very welcomed around here by you or anyone. I am feeling that my good intentions have been abused with cruel and unfriendly words such as “lying”, “bad faith”, “hostile”. Is that how it is around here? Nice to know that now. I am not the one calling someone else names around here, making sophomoric arguments or making baseless accusations about lying. Prior to this, the record will show the only thing I ever did around here was to add information that I thought was helpful and knew to be true to the Wiki but that apparently is not good enough for those who have the “best interest of Wiki in mind.”  Nice to know where I stand. You handled this situation real well and I thank you for your input as I learned a lot. Written from an Outsider's presepective.--Diosprometheus (talk) 12:46, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * Diosprometheus, the above comment is another example of you taking comments in the worst possible way. I never suggested you or your content edits were unwelcome, in fact I said that I appreciated your endeavours to improve coverage. However, if you feel uncomfortable in continuing to edit that's your prerogative. If you would like to continue please watch your tone on talk pages as it can make productive conversations difficult. 03:02, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate to hear that you welcome my endeavors to improve the Wiki. I am sorry that someone, who was fretting over whether a contribution was in the right category or bug or a unique discovery, dragged you into this conversation, especially after it was over. That was not fair.

I don't wish to continue this undiplomatic, tedious, and pointless discussion. I do, however, think you are entirely not aware of the facts, and I think you have not concerned yourself much with my central concern about the person who started all of sorry affair. I do not appreciate being called a liar by implication or other. To you this is just an example of my taking something in a bad light. So be it. I will never convince you otherwise.

If I may be so bold, I would like to offer you some advice in handling affairs like this. You can take this in whatever light you wish to to take it, but I want to go record as saying that it is given graciously, and in your best interest.

I think most of your answers could have avoided a continuance of this discussion had you used more diplomatic language to express yourself, and would have have been more appreciated. Even if you hold the seemingly negative positions toward me that you seemingly hold, (and I do not say you hold them), sometimes when dealing with affairs like this, it is best not to express those negative positions and find other words to make your point. As I have learned much from you about this matter, perhaps, you could learn this from me.

Finally, I would like to say I hold no ill-will toward you and forgive you for anything I think was untoward or unjust you have said to me. I don't know what light you will take any of my words in but I again reiterate that they are meant in the best possible light and meant to help you in dealing with issue like this one. At the very least consider what I have to say to you.--Diosprometheus (talk) 18:17, September 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for taking the time to explain your feelings a little more, it is appreciated. I used the term "bad-faith" for no other reason than it is the semi-technical term for wiki edits that appear to be made when editors do not assume good faith. It was not meant as an attack on your character. When I used the term hostile, I did not intend to imply you were a hostile, unfriendly person (I have never thought that), only that "you appeared more hostile [of the two parties]" due to the apology refusal.


 * Of course, one of the perils of text based communication is the greater opportunity for miscommunication, which seems to have happened here, but I hope this can be considered resolved and the rest of your editing life will be more peaceful . 00:18, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Template:SpoilerWH
I have created the template for Witch Hunt spoilers. Now, the appropriate (splr_wh) div class is yet to be made. SkyBon (talk) 19:08, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll see what I can do. 04:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Already took care of it. -- 04:31, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks . 04:42, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Table of content
Hey most-amazing-admin ever! I was thinking of making some changes to the table of content and wanted to see if there's anything sacred I shouldn't touch when I made those changes. -- 03:23, September 28, 2010 (UTC)


 * Feel free to hack away pedestal admin, but don't forget that we will soon be moving to a new system a la the one on Red Dead Redemption. 04:26, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Flemeth in DA2
Hi Loleil,I found this thread in the bioware forums, its all in german but it reads Morrigan and obviously cought my attention.

I found a picture there of the game, with Hawke that we have seen already, Bethany and now with Flemeth in game from the concept art. I don't know if you would want to take a look but here is the link maybe for Hawke or Flemeth's profile: http://social.bioware.com/forum/4/topic/143/index/4811913

Hope it might be helpful :) --Anthonior (talk) 06:15, September 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'll see what we can do . 03:02, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Help with restoring DLC on PS3
WOW! Loleil you look very busye here, so please help when you get a chance. thank you for the welcome - I will contribute as and when I can - though my knowledge is limited. I have been spying on this site for months now and must credit you on a well kept site!!

I did post the following also on a forum, but I don't know what the response times are for feedback out of the forum, so please bear with me if I asj you the same. Perhaps this route will enable me to get back to my favourite game sooner!!

I installed the following DLC for DAO 1 Stone prisoner 2 Blood dragon armor 3 Feastday gifts 4 Feastday pranks I backed up my HDD and upgrading my internal HDD on PS3 to 500GB. After restoring, DAO informed me that the above DLC is corrupted and I must re-download and install. I am on FW 3.30 and do not want to upgrade to 3.50. I want te get my DLC back so I can continue my quest on DAO without restarting from scratch. Please help me to download via PC and install with USB or other method. Thank you in advance.

Regards OGroteKoning (talk) 09:35, September 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, but while I don't own a PS3 I believe DLC is unique to the platform. Sorry. 00:18, October 7, 2010 (UTC)

Requesting a thread be locked
I've been watching The 8th Old GOD thread in the forum for a while now unsure of what to do with it. Based on the way the discussion was going it seemed a bad idea to comment on it myself and risk throwing fuel on the flames. There is a lot being said in that forum that probably shouldn't be and I think it would be a good idea to just lock that forum and hopefully everyone will move on to other topics. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 06:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Honestly were I an admin I'd probably hand out several 24 hour bans (time to cool off) to some of the posters in the thread, it's ridiculous. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 06:14, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The thread is now locked, I'll hand out blocks when I'm feeling better and have had a chance to go over the discussion in more detail. In the future, it would be greatly appreciated if you could attempt to remind people to stay on topic, especially when admins aren't about. Thanks! 07:01, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Normally I would have done something much sooner but I've been away from home (and not on the wiki as much) for a couple weeks. That thread was already bad enough by the time I saw it that I wasn't quite sure what to do. Sorry to hear you're sick, I hope you feel better soon. --Aedan Cousland (talk) 07:17, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah I see, and considering I've been in the same situation over the last week or so I completely understand your decision . Let's hope we don't don't see a discussion like that again and I hope I feel better soon too!  07:27, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry that the innocent query I posted in the thread The 8th Old GOD caused such an out pour of negativity, that was not my intention nor was the statements about me that caused me to defend myself. That is why I have blocked myself so-to-speak until I finish the short story I am writing about DA:O. So, I hope you will forgive me for causing such an uproar. Though I do not wish for anyone to get in trouble for their words, I do hope they will move on to other topics.Anya (talk)16:13, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll take that into account, but there were things said that need commenting on. 00:18, October 7, 2010 (UTC)