Talk:Morrigan

Voice Actor
Let's at least get some word from a developer about the voice actor. Maria Caliban 22:13, 29 March 2009 (UTC)


 * If we're going to remove speculative information, like that of who voices the NPCs, should we not remove the speculation regarding romance options as well?


 * If not, perhaps there's nothing wrong with speculative information, so long as it's properly labeled.


 * XavierGrimwand 22:30, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

I think it's pretty obvious who it is, and most wikias do have a lot of speculation on things whether it will be confirmed or not. Right now, the game is in development and having information like that is useful to an onlooker. Selty 22:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Morrigan is voiced by Claudia Black, who was a star of the sci-fi series FarScape, then had a role on the last few seasons of StarGate SG1. She was also a minor character in "Pitch Black." She also voiced one of the main characters in Uncharted 2: Among Thieves as Chloe.

Background
New BG is great. If we can do the same for other companions, it would be great. -- Snfonseka
 * I think it'd be better with a lighter color, it's a strain on the eyes right now--Vaile 05:16, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

I second that--EnrgyBomb 16:41, October 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * I just noticed it. I love it the way it is! Johnnyriot999 08:06, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

The background is terrible, you have to highlight the text to be able to read it. The text should, at least, be lighter in colour. Halley 21:10, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Strategy
I think the strategy section should also mention Morrigan's starting skills: Improved Herbalism and Improved Combat Training Clh 17:10, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Morrigan ending
The information about who Morrigan conceives with is wrong. If the player's character is male, she will sleep with that character rather than Alistair, whether or not there is a romance going on. Alistair is a backup for when the main character is female.

Noone has to sleep with her at all, one can actually turn her down, at which point she disappears and leaves the party. Frankly I found it very disappointing that despite all the romances shared between the PC and her, that you are destined to lose her.


 * Is that not the point? No matter your history and love with Morrigan her fear of a close relationship towards another drives her away. No doubt from her less than pleasant upbringing. -- TikiTantrum 04:39, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

I agree the whole Morrigan admitting her strong feelings for you but still disappearing is a hit in the gut. She was an important character, and I imagine in a future game her relationship with the PC will come back into focus.--Lord Saren101 19:07, November 15, 2009 (UTC)

Probably not, as the previous blight was 400 years before this one. My guess is that the child of Morrigan will be a plot point and possibly Morrigan herself far in the future (both using magical means to survive that long), but the Grey Warden being nothing more of a footnote in their history. The epilogue does go quite far in the future. Personally, I detest her as a character and I detest her taking my Reapers Vestments when she left.

Since a blight is dependant on the soul of an old god, and she puts the soul of an old god into a child, all it would take is a darkspawn getting ahold of the child and corrupting the old god soul within to start another blight. Essentially, by siding with Morrigan's ploy, you don't truly stop the blight.

Right, she does not stop the blight. Too bad the warden can regret not to have killed her long before but can't actually kill her for good during the meeting in Redcliff, it would do as good as slaying the archdemon and she deserves it. And the whole ritual story is plain stupid. Again she probably learnt all about the grey wardens in the wilds. The game becomes quickly boring for it's total lack of freeplay and major plotholes. Morrigan is an incoherent and uncredible character. Not even flawed, but totally borked.

One key to understanding Morrigan is to take her into the raw fade and then pay attention to "Morrigan's Nightmare." Where the other party members want a family (Alistair) or believe they let the Circle down (Wynn), Morrigan says that Flemeth is not her mother, which can be taken a couple of ways. Is she talking about Flemeth or the demon? When Flemeth tells her to shut up, Morrigan is defiant. Flemeth then beats her but Morrigan takes it and says "That's more like it." So Morrigan was an abused child and maybe her nightmare is her life. And I suspect from listening to all the conversations in DAO that Flemeth is not her mother. I speculate that Flemeth might have found her abandoned or took her from her real parents, probably one human noble and one human mage. Note where Flemeth is from originally; that is another clue to me. Grey warden marcin 13:09, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

You got a little mixed up there. When you find Morrigan in the Fade, she is being confronted by a spirit/demon posing as Flemeth. When she says Flemeth isn't her mother she is refering to the fact that the demon is doing a really poor job impersonating Flemeth. When the fake Flemeth slaps her, she notes that its a better attempt, but its too late, she already knew that version of Flemeth was fake all along (probably due to the fact that Flemeth is one of the most powerful mages in Thedas, so Morrigan must at the very least be quite knowledgeable about the Fade). As for Morrigan not being Flemeth's daughter, look at their eyes, both have golden eyes, which in literature indicates an animalistic side or origins of a supernatural nature (shapeshifting into animals, Flemeth being the most human looking abomination this side of Connor Guerrin) really do indicate that Morrigan is really Flemeth's daughter. There is no doubting though that Morrigan is a damaged young woman, especially considering her upbringing, what is reprehensible for most people would have been the norm for Morrigan, so its no wonder when someone shows her real affection she is frightened by it and be fearful of what it means. Madasamadthing 22:28, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

you do know they never mentioned if she is really flemeth's daughter or not. even when you asked morrigan through conversation she not even sure if flemeth is her real mother, lets not forget flemeth is very powerful and they are basically the only two in the game with shapeshifting (apart from you as a mage or wynne, if you decide to give her that) but the golden eye could be a link to the shapeshifting and her eyes are half blue and half yellow or golden..and the reddish thing around her eye well maybe its just extremely bad make up, but we don't know, i know in fact morrigan its an important characted in the whole dragon age story, so in the next game we will hopefully get to learn more of her past and all that, and what the f*** happen to the kid.. cause thats what really driving me mad, not knowing what happens to the kid Crod305

I am editing my own comment because I think Madasmadthing is correct. I now think that Morrigan is Flemeth's daughter. If so, she has demon blood in her but not enough to be an abomination. Her demon blood is what attracts her to the GW and his tainted blood. It also makes the ritual necessary to fuse the two bloods, for the blood magic ritual to work later. Now, for speculation on DAO 2, I now think that Morrigan's baby is a Macguffin and more subplot than plot. Her plan is selfish; she probably intended to sacrifice the child at the right time to release the spirit and join with it to ascend, thus achieving freedom, power and survival. But love complicated matters,perhaps enough that something goes awry for whatever reason and the Spirit attracts an unknown demon. Morrigan now is faced with becoming an abomination and holds off due to the mental bond with the GW through the ring. Once you enter the fade and confront her demon, she must choose between ascending or not, with consequences. If she holds on to her humanity, she will be changed, perhaps tranquil (that would stink) or loses her mage powers or shape-shifting. Or she may ascend and leave you once again with some promise of GW patronage (which will also stink). I think that the best any of us Morrigan lovers can hope for is things work out where there is a compromise, she then admits she loves you, and you have some sort of permanent relationship that continues later. Every great general has a powerful woman behind him but Morrigan tends to choose options that align her motives with yours. Another possibility is that the pure spirit went to another source, which is Connor, who is weak, untrained, and vulnerable since he already was an abomination. So Morrigan thinks what is in inside her is an old god spirit but in reality she has a demon beacon created by her and the GW. A demon comes for her and she again holds on to her humanity through the ring. No matter what, I see this child as a macguffin that starts out important but later is just part of the bigger picture.Grey Warden Marcin 19:01, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Starting Talents
I got Morrigan level higher than usual and she had frost weapons too so i would add that info in her starting talents like
 * Primal: Winter's Grasp, (Frost weapons)
 * Kashper

Can't someone just use cheats/mod to get her on lvl 1 then auto-level one by one? Then he could list full (or just to around lvl 8-10 as i don't think anyone gets her later than that) autolevel talents/skills/attributes. Would be far mroe useful than listing starting talents for highest level you can get her at. Of course that's if I'm not wrong and game simply autolevels companions to your lvl and not uses some special, secret list. Xalard 14:40, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I've reformatted the initial statistics a bit. I've kept what was previously there (removing the spell categories) and added the links to the respective skills/spells, in addition, I've added the XBox 360 information that I just got. From my experience, no matter how hard I try, I can't get Morrigan before level 6 (she starts one level higher than you). Tivadar 03:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

I got her at level 7 with the latest patch on the PC, and she had exactly the talents listed listed as "PS3 & XBox". Maybe the PC info is outdated?

Also, it might be added to the trivia that apart from knowing nothing about poisons, being raised in the wilds and living among animals didn't teach her any survival skills, either.

That, and the presumption that she learned cold magic instead of, say, nature or lightning spells in an environment that (judging by her dress) doesn't see much ice makes me wonder what the authors were thinking..?

131.188.120.74 12:50, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Yes, cold magic can seem a strange choice for her starting skills, but Remember Ser Joris saying it is cold in the wilds ( "if the jar is warmer than the wilds it will be a welcome change"). Perhaps, mastering cold magic makes her immune to cold herself and this could explain why she wears this rather revealing dress. Well, overall she is a starting character, you get her very early in game and cold magic is the most offensive choice for a supporting mage in a budding party. So is the shapeshifting ability. Good enough for a low level party but later in game, if you get a ranger in the party it becomes really pointless and you have wasted 3 points on this line. She can't cast spells while transformed and the animals are not strong enough to stand against powerful ennemies.

But essentially, keep in mind a decorative evil female with few clothes on her is a cliche in video games or movies. Don't expect realism, the game would make a flop if the infamous "witch of the wilds" had the look of Esme Weatherwax. Croquignol 10:41, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Morrigan Romance
Hey I just noticed there is no info regarding the romance you can have with Morrigan and how she forces you to choose between Zevran and her and the ring she gives you. Want me to add that?
 * Go ahead. I'd do it myself but I don't know anything about the Zevran thing. Sparrow475 02:55, November 27, 2009 (UTC)

While I believe it to be true (as other comments above allude "Morrigan's Ending"), the quote "Bioware has said that we have not seen the last of Morrigan and will likely be showing her in the next installment of Dragon Age," should have a source listed to verify this... --SmithsonianDSP 08:19, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Turning Morrigan In
I've heard that it's possible, through correct dialogue options, to hand Morrigan over to Greagoir at the Mage's Tower as the Apostate she is. Does anyone have any extra information on that? Digimal 02:01, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Alas, I tried but it doesn't seem possible. You think you're getting somewhere but it still ends up with him agreeing with her assessment of the Circle and then brushing the issue off altogether. Digimal 02:59, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Golden Mirror
I think it needs to be mentioned that at some point Morrigan will talk about her life with Flemeth as a child and her first experience with human wealth. This is from the dialogue prompt "So, life in the wilds must have been very lonely.", and I believe it requires at least 50+ approval. She will talk about how she stole a golden mirror from a noble lady and then when Flemeth found out she smashed the mirror. If you give her the mirror after this, she will remark at how much it looks like the one that was smashed and give quite a large amount of approval (In my case it was +23). If you give her the mirror before the story she remarks that you could not have known that she had a mirror like it once and proceeds to summarize the above story and give less approval (I got +16) in that test.

''I played a woman character and gave the mirror before completing the Flemeth Quest. I received the same remark and after selecting "You could be a little nicer" (instead of just giving it to her or asking to repay), she responded that she would try to be nicer in the future, resulting in an increased favor for (I think) all my party members.'' Not all members where equally delighted, some favors increased more than others.

I gave her the mirror after I broke up with her (just the Brecilian Forest and the Landsmeet to deal with), and when I chose the option "it's simply a gift for a beautiful woman" she went back from friendly to love again. And Leliana reacting, and whatnot. I tried the other 3 options, but none of them had this result.

I have no idea how to format this information, so if someone could please do put it in the article in a manner that is concise and proper, that would be great. Also, a confirmation wouldn't be bad either. The mirror can be found with Garin (near the Diamond Quarter) at Orzammar Commons.DataJager 03:22, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

The second pictue
The second picture from the page is very very ugly(the CGI appeareance of Morrigan).She looks just like an ugly and bored monkey.

I added a different one, complimented by a screenshot of her @ Redcliffe castle. Hope you find it an improvement over the previous pic. - --Gvg870 22:47, December 25, 2009 (UTC)Gvg870

Race?
In regards to : "Morrigan also appears to be of the Orlesian race because if you look at her race and then look at Leliana's race you see them both to be human Orlesians."

While this may be true [I will be looking at this next time I turn my game on] in the beginning Alistair says she looks Chasind. I took that to be a comment on her racial appearance; also doesn't Flemeth tend to mate with/steal babies from, the Chasind?--71.56.95.35 09:33, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've removed that quote as it is based largely off personal opinion. We may never know who her father is, Chasind does seem the best guess, but it would still be a guess. Loleil 10:07, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know this is completely late and even more completely irrelevant by now, but I thought Leliana was actually of Fereldan descent? Not that it makes much difference as the Orlesians and Fereldans seem to be about as racially different as the French and British, in other words more alike than they'll ever admit! And Alistair's comment I'd always thought applied to her unique dress sense. --vom 21:20, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

Morrigans ring.
It is possible to get the ring from her WITHOUT having to sleep with her(flirting will do). I don't know if this is a bug or not but you can refuse her ritual and she won't conceive a child. I wonder if the epilogue mentions something about the ring in this case. Anyone tried it out?

-I did get the ring from Morrigan in Lothering, first time there and hadn't even left yet nor visited camp before entering, after giving her gifts, talked and flirted with her. So I doubt bedding her is needed, unless that too is a bug. Though, I think it happened in my first playthrough as well before bedding but not entirely sure.

nope you actually have to sleep with her. Why don't you like sleeping with bad hot babes? anyways the ring can help morrigan in the quest captured!. Also she says that you might use it to track her down but she says she never tried it....hmmmm, The-loveable-rouge

Morrigan seems to have given me 2 of her rings...Each in different conversations, First time she asked me my feelings about Leliana then gave me the ring, then after the camp gets attacked by the shrieks, I talked to her and she gives me another??? Just wondering if anyone else had this.

The double rings also happened to me. It's probably just a bug...

Achievement
Does sleeping with Morigan for the ritual also earn the "Witch Gone Wild" achievement? Teamnoir 11:09, January 1, 2010 (UTC)

No, u have to actually get her aproval up and sleep with her in the camp, or atleast i am very sure.

Please lock the editing on this page.
Someone should do a complete revamp of the page and then lock it for good.

I made some edits a couple of days ago but the page is still a mess. Some of the things I removed were ridiculous. They were even mentions of Wynne being a romance option. And of course lets not forget that every now and then someone will edit in the whole "Flemeth kills Morrigan" rumor.

I realize that other pages are like that too, but I feel this one is the most important. Morrigan is perhaps the most intriguing character in the game and I bet the page it's one of the most popular(if not THE most popular)page on the site.

It really is a shame leaving it at the mercy of clueless people that just want to edit something in. It really hurts the credibility of the wikia and the people who are really putting effort into this.

Thanks for your time. --BeerMage 15:40, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Images
Just wondering why this image was removed; it looks well-enough focussed to me... --vom 15:41, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

It is removed because Morrigan in the left side of the image and not in the middle (her entire right hand side is missing). The entire right side of the image shows the background wall. So please use a image which is properly focus on Morrigan. -- Snfonseka 16:02, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it looks arty, personally. I hasten to add that the image isn't mine, so I've no vested interest in defending it other than I like it. --vom 16:58, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

I like it. (And I'm a portrait photographer.) Centering things just makes for boring shots. You only see that in the media when it's a talking head pointedly speaking to the audience. Teamnoir 17:33, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

In this Wiki we have a standard in inserting character images (please see the other character images as well). So I kindly request to follow that standard by inserting images that are properly centered on the character. Thank you. -- Snfonseka 18:06, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I can understand such a standard being enforced for the main image in the infobox, but I think it's unnecessarily restrictive for other images in the article. I think this is a nice picture and it's a shame it's been taken out due to a technicality; I guess it's like people's personal photos, your passport needs a mugshot, but you wouldn't want your photo album filled with them... --vom 18:13, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Such standards are enforced because the "beautiful image" can be defined by several ways by several people. Someone can insert a picture where we can see little of the corresponding character but the background of the image is beautiful, and he / she can stated that the image is beautiful due to the background. But we cannot allow that kind of images because as a Wiki our purpose is give some information with each image to the user. We are trying to insert images which are relevant to the corresponding article section or images that are unique to the corresponding character (such as CGI Morrigon in trailer: For example we are not going to insert a image taken by the trailer where the focus on the beautiful mountains not on Morrigon, because the purpose of the image is to inform the user that there is a CGI version of Morrigon). Also we also need to make sure that the page is not over loading with images. -- Snfonseka 18:36, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Without wishing to be seen to argue unnecessarily over this, I think one can define artistic images objectively in such a way that doesn't compromise their usefulness, of which I'd say this is one; but, that said, the issue of relevance and overloading isn't something I can really dispute, and on that basis I agree. I think the image in question probably would be better suited to a gallery than the article itself. Though the issue of galleries and the like is probably a discussion for elsewhere (and someone else!) --vom 18:45, January 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added the picture because not only is it a high resolution, full-detail shot, but also because it has meaning within the context of the game. Of course I am biased because I'm the one that added it... however, I think this pic should find a place in the article somewhere since it's a pivotal moment in the game and tells you about the character without spoiling the fun. --Gvg870 20:18, January 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * I Suggest we put the matter to a vote!

And I suggest you have a taste of my families mace! ... Enough of these Delaying tactics! Morrigan has once good picture to assume her place on the Wiki Who would deny her that! Loleil made me swear on her bed that that picture would not be placed here

Might just be me but I didn't understand - you guys want this screenshot out or not? If you want it out, just delete this whole section and be done with it... If you want it in, find somewhere appropriate to put it. Useless keeping it in the talk page as it is.--Gvg870 04:39, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy to have seen it left in the article, in spite of agreeing that we don't want to overload it with images: I like the image and it was already there without causing any harm. Failing that, it's good enough that I think it should go in a gallery somewhere. But it's not my decision to make: Snfonseka is the admin and he says it doesn't meet his requirements for the article. You may wish to ask him directly if he doesn't respond. But for what it's worth, I would've preferred that it wasn't removed. --vom 10:05, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ooh, it is good picture and much better one than I'd snapped and uploaded for the Morrigan's Ritual quest page, so I've now put this image there (which seems appropriate). Will that do as a compromise? Zoev 10:48, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hopefully! It is a good picture and should be used somewhere, I think; though the matter of guidelines (e.g. centred characters etc) is still looming, so the image policy may need some discussion. I've asked Loleil for an opinion in Snfonseka's absence, though this might be another discussion for the forum. But I feel I'm getting ahead of myself since it's neither my picture nor my decision! --vom 12:00, January 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * As the image has now found a home, I've taken the broader issues to the forum. See Forum:Image Policy if you would like to participate. Loleil 00:19, January 10, 2010 (UTC)

"Victorria Johnson"
The "Morrigan is modelled on..." line keeps getting changed to this. I can't see any solid references to such a person, certainly nobody with that spelling is listed on IMDB, and the first of the few links on Google says it's a probably a pseudonym anyway. I'm inclined to think that we should either be using this person's real name, or if they're that "non-notable" (I hate that phrase) that it's not really suitable for inclusion. --vom 15:10, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

At the risk of jumping the gun, since nobody's come forward, I guess this can be removed until such a time as a useful source is provided. --vom 18:33, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * At considerable risk to my feminist sensibilities, I did a bit of research based on a hunch about this and found that Victoria (or Victorria) Johnson is indeed the alleged model for Morrigan based on Maxim's Girls of Dragon Age: Origins article. Confusingly, her name is spelled with a single "r" in the text but double "r" in the accompanying image. I don't know which is right, and whether this is significant enough to go into the article, I'll leave it so someone else to decide. Zoev 13:24, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Quality! Well being the one who removed it, I guess it's my job to put it back. Which means having to remember how to do references... grumble, grumble. --vom 13:29, January 9, 2010 (UTC)



I was watching a cheesy 1981 werewolf movie yesterday, and noticed that one of the characters (a sharp-tongued shape-changer who lives in a shack in the wilderness) looked mighty familiar. Does anyone else think this is not a coincidence? Victoria Johnson may have done the modeling for the Sacred Ashes trailer, but I see a much stronger resemblace here. And of course, Maxim would be more interested in a modern model than the girl one of the developers was obsessed with in junior high XD. The movie is "The Howling", the actress is Elisabeth Brooks, and the character is named Marsha Quist.

NukerMage 09:23, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Editing
Someone just edited away the whole page. I undid their changes. It was an anonymous user. Why are any of these pages open to anonymous editing? I'd assume it's possible to make a registered user only edit wiki. Wouldn't that make more sense here? I mean, registering *is* free! And it would force people to read the rules (in theory) before editing as well. Tivadar 16:16, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * Generally speaking, I'm in agreement with a "members only" policy for submitting new edits, though I think that goes against the grain of what a lot of Wikia/Wikipedia stands for. In my experience the signal/noise ratio of unregistered users as a whole is rather borderline; I understand the argument of making it as convenient to edit as possible, but I do wonder if people who are put off by having to register would be committed to making good quality contributions anyway. But some people may think that's a rather Draconian point of view... --vom 16:59, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not allow anonymous editing. And I'm afraid I have to agree that this page, at least, it getting more anonymous noise than signal. I removed some verbal abuse last weekend. Teamnoir 17:38, January 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * They don't? That's a step forward, then, and a significant one: I'm inclined to think we should take cues from them in that case. I think I may move this discussion to the forum, if nobody objects, since it's likely to be missed lurking over here! --vom 18:33, January 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Old, but Wikipedia does indeed allow anonymous editing. I just did that right now. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise. 'High profile' pages like, monkeys, sharks and Xbox are typically locked from anonymous editing. Vegnas 01:22, February 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Since nobody's objected in the past five minutes I've copied the discussion here. --vom 18:39, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Hardening
This is a completely unfounded theory, but, perhaps, is it posible to harden Morrigan. I was just thinking, Alistair and Leleina (very sorry for the incorrect spelling) are both harden-able during their personal quests, so could it be posible that every character can be hardened? Shale, Sten, Zevhran, Morrigan, Wynne, Oghren? I think it's worth looking into, that someone should try and find out. Has anyone done so already?Coroxn 16:59, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is something that would be interesting to find some definitive information about, if possible. In Morrigan's case, I even wonder if the opposite may occur: "softening". Though not based on anything (I'm not always especially observant), I would be curious to know if "I've never had a friend before" etc might have some bearing on her actions and opinions? --vom 17:56, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * Shale is already hardened, It is a Golem after all :D ... ehem, being nice to Morrigan makes very little difference to the ending, but does add some fitting dialogue options.
 * I think this may be the case. In the case of Morrigan I believe it to be the "Golden Mirror" dialogue where you have the option to select something along the lines of "You could be a little nicer" or some such and she agrees (she was max approval at the time). In the case of Sten I think it is the "turtle" conversation and selecting the "Makes it stronger" dialogue choice. Unfounded, I'm not sure how to "prove" either of them - or how Alistair/Leliana's came about to begin with. Jmjimmy 00:40, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

I just thing it...........rather odd, that two characters, one important, one less so, should be the only ones with these options. I shall have to put some research into this................ Also, is it possible to make Alistair king and keep him by your side without hardening him? Coroxn 21:10, January 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * More like softening. If you give her the mirror(plot gift) she asks if you want anything in return. You have a dialogue option: "You could be a bit nicer I suppose". I don't think the dialogue is necessary however. Her attitude towards you changes if you raise her approval but she's still cruel to everyone else. --BeerMage 11:54, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * That was my own opinion, as I mentioned a couple of paragraphs back. I have wondered whether it might've changed anything significant, but I suspect that it just has an effect on her discourse at that time; even her attitude to your own character is entirely based on her disposition, I think. Shame, really, it would've perhaps made it interesting to make her a little more accommodating... but it may also have compromised the main plot, too. --vom 11:57, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I do not think you need to harden Morrigan. If you look at her background, she grew up as an abused child with a psychotic abomination for a mother who is intent on sacrificing her. Her only freedom was to shapeshift and run wild as an animal. That is enough to harden anyone. If your character does not abuse her as well, you soften Morrigan by getting on her good side, as much as that is possible at this point in her life. She softens more if she is in love with you but not very much more with others. Dalish Warrior Wladek 19:44, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

Second chance?!
Does anyone notice that after ending a relationship with Morrigan (I was forced into an ultimatum by Leliana), you can still enter it again if you still haven't given her the Black Grimoire. After you've given it to her, you can choose to have a kiss as a reward, and the whole relationship is on again like the first time. I think it's good if -> you romanced her first and still wants to romance Leliana, but still like Morrigan the best to wish an epilogue with her loving you, even though she'll leave you in the end. Anyone?

Bug in Lothering
If you fire Morrigan before going to Lothering she is no longer there, but her discussion with Alistair and the warden is still here, and she says her normal dialogue. They are simply speaking to nobody, the place where Morrigan should stand if she was still in the party. The warden can even ask for the absent Morrigan opinion. Very weird.

It could be added to a "bugs" section in the main articleCroquignol 01:42, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Wrong Trivia
Morrigan has probably nothing to do with Morganna, the sister of King Artus in the arturian legends.

She is more likely named after the Morrigan, the witch-goddess of war in irish mythology. The morrigan appears to Cuchulainn in the Tain Bo Cualnge under the form of various animals ( raven, eel, cow, wolf). The name is exactly the same and she has the shapeshifting ability.see Morrigan on wikipedia

I propose wether to remove the erroneous trivia or to change it for the correct information. Croquignol 08:23, February 14, 2010 (UTC)

I agree. That information is completely erroneous. There is already an entry in the trivia section that describes her actual namesake, the Irish goddess.

Morrigans Ending
I would liken this ending to an unexpected kick in the balls, followed up by a knife to the kidney. Once I played it through and realized there is no happy ending or closure at all, it pretty much took the fun out of it. Sixty bucks on the type of story woman watch to have a cry when they're on the rag. Other than that, sickest game out.

What did you expect? It's Morrigan... Lufos 02:52, February 20, 2010 (UTC)

Morrigan may use people to get her way but she also learned about the bennies of trusted friends and love relationships. I would expect BioWare to think in terms of "Grey" fantasy and not just Dark. Since profit is the bottom-line, I hope BioWare has given very careful consideration to what happens to the Grey Warden (especially imported main characters) and Morrigan in the DAO 2. I look forward to game reviews in advance of purchase to make sure that I at least have a chance for a happy ending for those two. Grey Warden Marcin 16:52, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Morgana?
Morrigan is not based on Morgana, she is based on Morrigan, the Greek goddess of Crows. This suits her so much better than Morgana. --75.42.158.103 02:55, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

actually technically your wrong as Morrigan Irish goddess of crows and warfare is also used as a base for Morgana/Morgan Le Fey of Arthurian legend therefore morrigan is probably based on both

I agree. Morrigan is definetly based on the Arthurian Legend

Read up the Celtic Morrigan legend. In the Ulster Cycle she is a shapechanger (in particular when she confronts the Irish hero Chuculainn she takes on the form of an eel, a wolf and a cow). Without going into too much detail, the Morrigan of legend and the Morrigan of the game do share similarities (beautiful woman offering herself to the hero, furious when he spurns her, for example). The mythological Morrigan shares far more with Bioware's Morrigan then Morgana does. Madasamadthing 23:25, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Morgana? No.
You could argue both Morrigan and Morgana but, most of the game uses Irish names so, I'm saying its Morrigan (an Irish goddess)

Ergh
wtf it says "when her approval is low, she can also teach the shapeshifter specialization."

and i'm unable to change it, it says i need an account but i have one. Necror 18:33, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Continuing the Morrigan Romance
The romance between the Grey Warden and Morrigan is potentially the greatest love story to be told in BioWare simulation. You have the abused girl turned hardened woman who is driven by power and love of freedom. She softens enough to allow you to love her, if you choose. Or you can play her and further abuse her. She runs from love because it imposes on her freedom and plans, she thinks. But she leaves in love, at least in my ending. My Dalish elf Grey Warden started semi-hardened and gave up everything by circumstance to eventually accept duty and sacrifice. But he loves Morrigan and gave her a child. Even though they broke apart, they still love each other but just can't commit, yet. So why not play this out in the next "big" game? Can you imagine if fate tossed these two together once again? Import your character and go for it; what a story! BioWare, are you listening? Carry the romance forward143.43.224.78 23:17, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

I to romanced Morrigan, and followed the same path as you with my Human Noble. I would have to say, I think this is in Biowares plans for the future...they give you an option to follow her in the epilogue. In the awakenings epilogue for the Wareden if you romanced her, it mentions you going off to find her. I would love to pick up where we left off in the next one, however if they give me my Tevinter Origin character I may have to forget Morrigan :P. Lord Saren101 23:31, April 15, 2010 (UTC)

I really hope that they do. I wonder how we can contact BioWare to consider how to import our character so they know each other right from the beginning. Talk about awkward but would be very cool to pursue this romance with all of the dynamics invovled. Maybe others would want to pursue their romances also? I can't see dropping her; she really was important in the scheme of things.

I also romanced Morrigan and want fate to throw us back into the briar patch. Morrigan is beautiful but what makes her desireable is that she is strong but vulnerable. And those of us who romanced her to the bitter end got to her like no one else. I agree that she wants freedom but needs love. My Grey Warden character wants to serve the greater good but needs love. Neither one of us have families left, so no Thades obligation marriages. Why not each other if we can compromise? And if gamers want to pursue her and marry her, why the heck not? We are paying for OUR fantasy, BioWare, not yours! Dalish Warrior Wladek 19:35, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I to romanced Morrigan but i havent finished the game but from what i have been reading i would prefer that you meet back up with her in DAO2 and know her from the begining. And the thought of importing my character would be wicked and i would enjoy it more. I agree with Dalish Warrior Wladek this is OUR fantasy. YOU HEAR THAT BIOWARE!75.134.116.110 21:15, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Error in Article
In the Trivia of the Article:

"After the fight in the Tower of Ishal, a conversation with Morrigan can lead Alistair to inquire about her cooking skills. After some banter, she will comment that she knows "fifteen different poisons that grow right in" the Korcari Wilds (not to suggest that poisons are at all related to cooking, of course). However, Morrigan has no initial Poison-making ability; instead she has Herbalism."

She does not make the poisons ... She knows fifteen poisons that GROW (which would not require the Poision Making Abillity, but rather the Herbalism Ability that she has) in the Korcari Wilds.

Morrigan's Secret Plan
I have been giving Morrigan's Secret Plan a lot of thought since she left many of us hanging to carry this out. At this point in her life, her agenda is more powerful than her love for the main character. But she is no longer so sure, which is why we need to find each other again and see where it goes. So, I think that her agenda at this point is to have the baby, most likely a daughter, and raise it until it is of the proper age to become an old god. I do not think she is going to do to the daughter what Flemeth intended for her because Morrigan was horrified by the prospect and she does not want to become an abomination (in the fade, she made that very clear). Still, she may do it because she is already following along the Flemeth path: a single mom and fleeing love. Maybe that is where the Grey Warden as a lover steps in, not to save her but to love her enough so she can love and compromise with him. Dalish Warrior Wladek 20:07, April 22, 2010 (UTC)

I think it is going to backfire. The clues are there: the True Black Grimoire, Morrigan's love of mirrors and beauty, her "capricous nature," and wanting freedom, power, and survival. Wynn revealed that demons can come through mirrors. If the person is possessed maybe they can retain their humanity and the process might be reversed, at a price. Her link to the Grey Warden maybe keeps her humanity through the ring and Morrigan has a strong will to resist. But if there is a rescue and given all they have been through together already, what the two have to say to each other afterwards will be interesting, if they get the chance. I also think that if the Old Gods are introduced/killed in order of the sequence in the CODEX, this spirit would be "beauty," leaving only two more Bilghts remaining with the last one being Darkness. If you destroy beauty, that can have major complications later. So you may not kill beauty but lose Morrigan by having to make a choice (selfish motives vs duty/sacrifice), which is no different than what happened in DAO so what's the point? Perhaps script writers cannot allow the GW and Morrigan to compromise but military people balance personal lives and obligations all the time.Grey Warden Marcin 13:38, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Morrigan's main issue was her upbringing at the hands of Flemeth...she fears that which is unfamiliar, and love is one such thing. Anyhow, if she was romanced and was in love with the warden she was not nearly as committed to her original plan, and the ring epilogue states her sorrow and regret for leaving. As for the Baby Urthemiel....defnitely going to back fire on her if indeed his essence flowed into the unborn child. In my humble opinion she has a major part to play with the Warden and that part depends on if she was romanced or not...alot of people are hoping for a happy resolution, so we shall see.Lord Saren101 (talk) 03:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

I still think that the whole thing will turn out to be a scheme to raise an old god who can rally everyone who opposes the chantry and bring about a partial return to the times of Tevinter for the mages. Everything Morrigan says about the Chantry in the game....and the small incident depicted in the Origins comic....everything related to her...from her childhood to right down to the feast day prank gift says that she hates the Chantry and would like nothing more than to see it fall. I simply cannot see it occur that she'll want to posses the child.....infact I don't think that something like that is possible for a mage of her caliber at all. I mean the reason the GW who kills the Archdemon dies is because his body is taken by the soul of the old god and it conflicts with his own soul, killing him. The key here is the 'soul of the old god' how can a young mage like Morrigan hope to displace the soul of an old god? Infact if the soul is displaced then what's left in the body anyway? It'll be a normal body like any other human. It was the soul which made it different. That's my bit and two. IP no. 59.95.169.10 (talk) 14:09, June 25, 2010 (UTC)

Profile Picture
I've noticed a few profile picture changes which seemed like the were essentially a move sideways in quality (like Leliana). I prefer a "If it ain't broke don't fix it" approach to picture changes, but was happy enough to let them slide. However I feel this current picture is a step backwards. I have several concerns; I think the lighting is a little dark, the top of her head is cut off, her expression looks unusual, and it looks like she is wielding a sword or dagger. I also prefer having a bigger picture as this is a bigger article. As she is our number one character in terms of visits, it's important we get her profile picture right. I prefer the older version, but I don't want impose my views if they differ from that of the community and am happy to hear what other people think of the current picture. Also if people are unhappy with the previous picture I am happy to look at new alternatives, but I really don't think the current picture is a long term solution. 13:56, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think in this case I'm inclined to agree: the older picture seems to me more representative of Morrigan. That said, some of the new pictures are an improvement such as the one for Loghain, the previous version of which did seem rather big and looming. Overall, though, I think that unless it's more than a mostly subjective matter, my own feelings are that "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" should indeed apply as it could lead to quite the merry-go-round of picture changes. I think the new picture of Morrigan would make a good gallery picture (at risk of opening another can of worms) but it isn't really suitable for the lead image. --vom 14:18, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I tried reverting the edit of someone re-replacing the not-so-good picture and wiped the page by accident. :\ I should have just changed the image file back to the old image but I had to go and do that. I hope someone can revert my mistake and bring the page back, with the better picture. My apologies for that. Earisu 21:15, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * It has been reverted, however I cannot make an edit on the page to bring back the better picture, when I got to edit it shows there's nothing there and so I'm not saving as the page would be wiped again. I can edit other pages such as Alistair's (as I just did to bring back the better picture for him also). And I can edit sections of Morrigan's page, just not the top bit as it would clear the whole page. Earisu 21:21, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd be inclined to blame the rich-text editor, assuming that's what you're using, as it's been known to cause assorted formatting problems before--even though blanking the entire page is a more serious "formatting problem" than usual! Anyway, I think I'd be inclined to hold off changing back to the old picture for a couple of days to give people a chance to respond here. In other words, let Loleil worry about it. --vom 21:40, April 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmm the wiki seems to be randomly deleting things a lot lately. One more and I'm off to wiki staff! I'm glad I wasn't alone in preferring the older picture, but I will give it a longer to be fair and will make a addition to the editing guidelines about picture changes so we maybe can avoid this in the future. 01:15, April 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd blame the rich text editor too but when I go to code view there is nothing there either. Quite annoying. I do think the older picture is fine because it shows her better. the other picture cuts off her head and she has a sword and dagger? Bit misleading, and her expression is, as you said, just weird. If anything we should be getting better pictures of Lelianna instead of making all the other profiles have the same size picture as hers. Earisu 05:26, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm wondering if maybe the image name is what's causing the problem? It's called Morrigan*.png, maybe the * has caused a conflict somewhere as the editor only blanks the page when you with to edit the top part of the page. Earisu 08:01, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just had a quick look and there were some problems with the page's formatting; an opening "noinclude" directive with no corresponding closing one, which I've removed, and the whole page was enclosed in a "morrigan2" class whatever that was: didn't seem to make a noticeable difference to the layout so that's gone too (at least for now), so hopefully it's editable using RTE once again... That said, RTE is less a utility and more an infection and should be avoided at all costs!  --vom 11:31, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the Morrigan 2 template was to place a transparent image of Morrigan on the page. Somehow it stopped working when the character transformer was introduced. It was one of those things I meant to get back to, but forgot about. Anyhow I think we've given it enough time so I'll revert the image. 06:03, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, now I see: I've used a div construct to reapply the morrigan2 class and the background image is back again: it may have been there prior to my edit but I'm not terribly observant! There was a problem locating the closing div marker correctly, though; I don't know if that indicates there's something up with the wiki code at the end of the page or if it's just the page formatter getting confused.  I didn't use the wiki markup to apply it because it makes my head hurt. --vom 10:24, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edited to add: as it turns out, there was a problem with the template in question. I've fixed it, hopefully without causing any "unintended consequences"... --vom 10:33, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes section
I think it's funny that the one quote listed in her Codex page isn't found in this section. That being: "A Witch of the Wilds? Such idle fancies, those tales. Have you no minds of your own?" Perhaps you should include it? I think it describes her well. Backlit 23:21, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

After defeating archdeamon (morrigan's appearing)
Maybe you've noticed that long time ago, but when i recently finished da:o i noticed that in the throne room there's a skinny dog next to our mabari. I know there's no evidence for this theory, but this dog looks exactly the as one of the morrigan's shapes (she becomes dog when you refuse her offer about ritual). Isn't it weird that they allow some dog (it's not even a mabari) to stay in the throne room? what do you think about that? (btw sorry for my english ;P)
 * It's already mentioned in the trivia section. 14:29, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

If you do not ask Morrigan about "last night" after the ritual once you get to FT Draken, she remains 100 approval and in "love" and the game ends that way. However, if you do ask her, she goes through her I would do it again speech. If you thank her, she says you're welcome and changes to "friendly" but at 100. She does seem at some points in the game to value friendship with a man more than love, esp if you break up with her at her request. Any ideas if it might impact the next DAO to be her friend or just another former lover?Grey Warden Marcin (talk) 01:01, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Human noble?
Does anyone know what happens to the romance between Morrigan and M!Cousland if you decide to marry Anora? Does Morrigan say anything?


 * Oh yes indeed! Tried it just to see what would happen. Morrigan casually remarks that she understands "there will be soon wedding bells in the air," or something to that effect. If the Warden starts trying to explain what happened (conversation options ranging from "It's just a political arrangement" to "You're mad, aren't you?"), Morrigan says that she doesn't really care, and that she thinks it's a good match. Her one concern is, "But I wonder what Anora will think of me... of us."


 * If you say that "There can't really be an us anymore," you get treated to a Patented Morrigan Bitching-Out(TM), and the romance is ended. If on the other hand you say or imply that Anora doesn't need to know about your affair, the romance is not ended. In that case Morrigan seems pleased, and says something like "I wouldn't worry about it. These things have a way of working out sometimes." Yet more foreshadowing pointing to her intention to leave you at the end of the game.--DarkAger (talk) 19:22, June 18, 2010 (UTC)