Talk:Blood Mage (Origins)

Removed suggested link between blood magic and possession per this comment from David Gaider: "Some mages learn the secrets of blood magic from demons, and perhaps in some cases that might lead to a possession, but in most cases blood magic and possession are not directly related. Mages are certainly susceptible to possession, yes, but they need not use blood magic to be so. " Maria Caliban 03:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Questioning image
Do we know this is Morrigan casting that specific spell? In the trailer, it appears that both the woman and Morrigan are under the same spell, as they both are levitated and both begin to shake. --Selty 13:43, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * In ** Your mother must be proud!!!!@@@the video they both lift into the air and shake, but the one who is not morrigan dies.75.80.128.65 19:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Last comment was me. Cheeseslayersmu 19:18, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

But that doesn't mean she is casting a spell...--Selty 01:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. Just found the answer in a thread I was randomly browsing. I will change it to 'A mage' instead of Morrigan.Cheeseslayersmu 20:55, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd change this myself if I could, but even after registering, I can't change this specific page. Anyway, the caption "A victim of the blood wound spell" is wrong. That image is from a cutscene, not normal gameplay. The spell being cast is never named, but the effect is absolutely nothing like the description of "blood wound".

Spoilers
It believe it was decided to keep spoilers off of the wiki until the game was released - perhaps the demon link should be removed for now. - Craig Graff


 * I removed who can teach the blood mage specialization. Was that what you were referring to? Loleil 02:49, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Please add who teaches or how to obtain training for blood magic, the game is released.

Urn of Sacred Ashes
Shouldn't the fact that you can learn it in the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest be added as well? Without revealing any spoilers, of course. --Haasth 01:39, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Could anyone add that? This page does not seem to allow editing. --Haasth 01:39, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

The page already notes how to learn this specialization. Sheltim 02:33, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yes it shows that it is learn-able from the Desire Demon in Redcliffe. Which is correct, but there are two ways of obtaining it. If you do the Urn of Sacred Ashes quest and are not a warrior (You'd get Reaver if you are) you are offered Blood Magic. --Haasth 11:37, November 12, 2009 (UTC)

There is a good chance I am wrong here. And the fact that he (Korgrin) said Blood Magic to me merely meant Reaver.. I'm going to test it. --Haasth 13:20, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

I just did the Urn quest as a mage and Kolgrim taught me Reaver. He does not teach Blood Mage, but he does teach "blood magic" in the form of Reaver. Sheltim 14:51, November 13, 2009 (UTC)

--Whosi 04:19, November 21, 2009 (UTC)== Typo ==

For what it's worth, saucy is spelled incorrectly(sausy is what is on the page) when describing the reward the desire demon gives you. And yes, Kolgrim only teaches Reaver. Also for consideration, the hermit in the Brecilian Forest is a supposed blood mage(Zathrian relates that detail if you talk to him after encountering the hermit).

Question about Blood Sacrifice
I'm miles away from my ps3 and so unable to try this myself, but the description of Blood Sacrifice states "The blood mage sucks the life-force from an ally..." and the description of Blood Control says "...making the target an ally of the caster..."! So is it possible to drain life from a blood controlled enemy? R0ND0 19:15, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately not :( If you try to do it, the timer on the spell will reset as if you used it but a "not an ally" notification will come up and not take the life force. XannyB

Unlocking
Noticed this just now, but... why do people keep insisting there are other ways to unlock the Blood Mage specialization? I'd like to see a youtube vid of the Blood Mage specialization being unlocked in some manner OTHER than dealing with the Desire Demon. Until then, I'm deleting this rumor. - Ancestralmask 20:24, December 3, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi! I don't have an account here but I hope I can still point something out. Doesn't Avernus' alchemical concoction that you can drink in Warden's Keep unlock the Blood Mage specialization? I could have *sworn* that after drinking it I had unlocked the Blood Mage specialization and gained the Diabolist achievement, but I decided to load to an earlier save point because I didn't want to go down that path and instead decided the second time to break the vial instead. Hopefully you or someone else can confirm this and if true add it to the article. Thanks! -- 68.200.164.3 21:41, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have Warden's Keep, but if you loaded an earlier save and did NOT have Blood Mage unlocked, then no, it didn't unlock the subclass. Once you've unlocked a specialization, it's unlocked for all records. I think the vial in question probably taught the two new Power of Blood spells. - Ancestralmask 02:01, January 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * I added the section below to the Blood Mage page because I saw it in an Arcane Warrrior build. I did not test this information. I have since tested it with a Rogue on a PS3 console. It did not work, so I removed it. I am adding it here just in case this does work for a PC, XBox, or maybe you have to be a mage for the dialog option to appear. Sorry to all if this entry confused you. --Portos247 February 6, 2010


 * "There is also a way to unlock the Blood Mage completely unrelated to the Redcliffe questline, namely the Elven Alienage. When you (eventually) get to the bottom of the quarantine of the alienage, you'll find that the person that's responsible is in fact a Blood Mage named Caladrius. He'll beg and grovel for this life, and you can actually get him to teach you the Blood Mage specialization this way. Note that most party member's won't like this one bit, and you'll lose some approval, as opposed to the method above (if you do it right, that is)."
 * There is another way to unlock both the Blood Mage and Reaver specializations, thanks to Awakening. Have your PC--doesn't matter what class--buy the appropriate manuals at the Crown and Lion in Amaranthine. Using the manuals will unlock the specializations for any characters in both Awakening and Origins. I've got to think that this is a bug that will be fixed in a future patch, and it's totally cheating, but it's the only way to get those specializations without making deals with shady entities. Rosenoire 01:59, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Formula
Can someone provide a formula concerning power of blood mage spells as it is done in other spells sections or tell me how to find it so i do it myself?--Riv8 15:04, December 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * Done.

Why does Blood Magic keep deactivating after a short time or after a fight? It doesn't seem sustainable for every long.


 * Blood magic is deactivated every mode change (combat enter/exit, CutScenes, etc).
 * So are Captivate Song, Pain, Berserk, Feign Death and Miasma.
 * I set Blood Magic in top line of tactics for my blood mage. But it kept casting it OOC. So i found no way to autoactivate it on combat enter yet.

'Enemy: Nearest Enemy > Blood Magic' will allow for the character to only activate it when it sees an enemy.

Unlock Update
Just wanted to make it aware that I made some revisions to the Unlocking section, merely giving a bit more detail as to the possible scenarios.

-Ted

"Blood Mages in Theadas" has been destroyed.
Some smart ass rewrote the Blood Mages in Thedaes tab with "i like to piss in my pants". Thought I should let someone know it needs to be rewritten.
 * Thanks for the heads up. The vandal has been blocked and the info has been restored. 23:21, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Undocumented Effect, Blocks Mana Regeneration
After looking inside of scripts in the toolset, it seems Blood Magic has an undocumented effect which negates all mana regeneration while it's active. This is also very likely the reason they chose to make it deactivate after combat; so you're mana could regenerate.

It seems to me this is meant to be toggled on and off, used only when you really need an extra spell..24.247.248.93 21:32, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

I was wrong, it's one of many unused effects 24.247.248.93 22:19, March 13, 2010 (UTC)

Blood Magic and Health Regeneration
I'm sure somebody has thought of this before but I can't find anything about it. Everybody knows that activating Blood Magic reduces healing to 10%. My question is whether or not this has any effect on Health Regeneration, particularly during combat. I don't have the time to test it out myself but if anybody knows or can find out I would appreciate it. -- AntiWorld 00:28, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Improves Blood Magic
Anyone know if these items stack? 70.188.172.149 00:54, March 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem like it --SkyHiRider 17:48, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

About "Blood magic guide"
The first paragraph of this sections is obviously written by a person who has tried to use blood magic but he couldn't manage it, telling that to not pick an specialization at all is better than using blood magic. When we all know that blood magic is one of the better specializations, if used properly that gives us almost infinite resources to cast all the spells we want. So I think that should be checked.

Thanks, and sorry if I haven't expressed mysef correctly, I'm not English.

Grey Wardens and Blood Magic
"Despite blood magic being banned in Ferelden, the Grey Wardens are allowed to use it as a means to fight the darkspawn. This is confirmed if the Warden speaks with Duncan on the topic during the Mage Origin. Duncan states further that Grey Wardens have even intentionally become abominations."


 * Am I completely missing something out or is this just an unconfirmed rumor? I just replayed the beginning of the mage origin because I couldnt remember him telling this. I tried all dialogue options I could find but all he says about the topic is the story that he once saw a blood mage fighting templars. Nothing about GW becoming abominations.Kaerendar 14:44, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Just had a look through the toolset and this was what I found:


 * Warden: Have you ever seen someone use blood magic?
 * Duncan: Once, in my youth, just after I had joined the Grey Wardens. I was traveling with my mentor. We encountered a group of templars hunting a blood mage. They were quite far away, so I cannot be sure of what I saw. He forced some of the templars to turn on their fellows. It was dreadful to behold. He would have escaped had he not overlooked one templar, who snuck up behind him and cleaved his head in two.
 * Warden: Blood Magic is evil.
 * Duncan: There have been mages within the Grey Wardens who have needed to resort to blood magic to deal with the darkspawn.


 * So confirmation on using blood magic, but I couldn't find anything on abominations either, so I'm going to remove that point. 05:03, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's sort of an absence of evidence, but none of the NPCs in the game seem to react at all to the PC Warden taking the Blood Magic specialization and using the powers. Rosenoire 01:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's sort of an absence of evidence, but none of the NPCs in the game seem to react at all to the PC Warden taking the Blood Magic specialization and using the powers. Rosenoire 01:13, May 9, 2010 (UTC)