User talk:D-day/Archive 6

Untitled
Thank you for your welcome. My purpose in joining was to contribute this screenshot: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/File:Fenris_at_home.png  to this page:   http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Speak_to_Fenris_%28Act_2%29   as it specifically asked for a better image. When I uploaded the shot, it went into the general photos, but didn't go to that page. So that's my story! Thanks for saying hi --Kramania (talk) 03:18, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm going to guess that you now know to add a photo with our infoboxes, but feel free to ask anything regarding wiki editing. Thanks for helping! 23:30, November 22, 2012 (UTC)

Rollback rights
Hello! (And welcome back, I haven't seen you around for a while.) In response to your message on my talk page, I would indeed be interested in having rollback rights. I understand that it should be used responsibly, and would only use it to counter blatant cases of vandalism. However, I do have a few questions for you:
 * 1) I read Help:Reverting, and was wondering if (other than speed/ease of use) there is anything else that differentiates a rollback from an undo?
 * 2) When I do revert vandalism, is it safe to assume that an admin will see the activity and take appropriate action, or should I report it on an admin's talk page every time?
 * 3) On one occasion I contacted VSTF following some particularly offensive and disgusting cases of vandalism (when there were no admins available for an extended period), but am I correct in assuming that the wiki's in-house admins would be preferable to deal with such cases?
 * 4) Slightly off-topic, but loosely related to question one: During your absence the article The Way It Should Be was renamed by a user (in good faith, but in violation of NAME nonetheless). Because a double redirect was created in the process (which I think has since been deleted), we weren't sure about what action should be taken (i.e. rename the page again, perform an undo, or if a rollback would be best), so it has yet to be reverted. I suggested waiting for an admin to avoid the possibility of inadvertently creating more redirects and making a mess while trying to fix it.  22:33, November 25, 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I was indeed away for a bit, without much access to Internet. :']


 * In regards to the use of rollback, as I have told you, it can be used to revert test edits (e.g., an user has added wiki markups for no reason—that can be reverted with rollback). Anything that doesn't need any review for the undo can be reverted, i.e., a rollback will generally not be contested, as opposed to an undo (where you leave an edit summary).


 * Other than what's been listed on the wiki page, I believe it covers everything about the use of rollback. When you use rollback, it's automatic. It'll revert to the last edit made by the previous person, e.g. if the user A has made more than two edits, user B's rollback will revert all of user A's edits.


 * Any rollback will be seen by anyone on the RC by default. Rollbacks are marked as minor edits, thus it can be hidden through your user preferences (but I don't think many users have done that). You definitely do not have to report the rollback any time. Depending on the situation, you can contact (I'd say encourage to) the admin for vandalism, especially if the vandal has made more than one edit.


 * Either is fine actually, but the VSTF may be faster since they're a bigger team (and are likely to be more active). I think the VSTF may prefer that users contact local admins first on very active wikis, but I'd suggest to go with the VSTF if none of the admins have blocked the vandal after a few minutes. This includes mass vandalism, since these have to be stopped as fast as possible. However, if you see any of us actively editing, it's safe to assume we're active, but you can contact any of the admins since it doesn't necessarily mean we're patrolling the RC.


 * As for redirect, you should rename the page again without having any problems depending on the page (you can't undo a rename). If you wish, you can try it yourself: rename "The Way it Should Be" to "The Way It Should Be". Since "The Way It Should Be" has only one edit in its history (which is a rename edit), you'll be able to "delete" the article for a rename. This particular case would not work if "The Way It Should Be" had been edited again (e.g., it'd have a rename edit and a normal edit)—in that case, you'd have to contact an administrator to delete the page to make the move (or just tag the page with Speedydelete.


 * That being said, I've granted you rollback rights. You can try it on test pages in your subpages to see how it works. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. :] 23:02, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

chat
Hello, will you be on the chat tonight? There's one thing that occured to me only after our yesterday's discussion and I would like to hear your opinion. --Ygrain (talk) 12:46, November 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'll be there. Just ping me when you're here. 18:03, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

Nuking spambots
Hello D, please block that spambot: http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Girlprincess33/iphone_5_Nike_dunks 09:36, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Nevermind, she wasn't a spambot but her blog has nothing to do with this wiki :P By the way, can you please delete the following pages? Asherinka did put a request a few months back:


 * Innley of Starkhaven
 * Heborah de Soliere
 * Jake the Black

and here is mine too: Fell Orden 10:17, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Damn, one more thing which I'll forget if I don't mention it here. Except the subsequent merge of the Kossith with the Qunari page, all the characters of Qunari origin are listed in their pages to have the "Kossith" race. I'm wondering if your bot can edit the Kossith to Qunari as well. eg. Sten, Rasaan, the "Races" category 11:00, November 28, 2012 (UTC)


 * Her blog has been deleted. As for the other pages, I'll redirect them. For the kossith and qunari terms, that's indeed what I was going to do at some point, so no worries about that. 16:22, November 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey D, any chance I'll see you the upcoming days? You know we have a project to organize, provided that you're still interested in it :P


 * And I also need your skills for something more (it's about talk pages).
 * 20:29, December 13, 2012 (UTC)

I tried to fix the picture in this page, but I couldn't. Can you take care of it? Thanks. 16:15, December 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Fixed. There was a weird invisible character (or something) before  that prevented the image's size to be changed.  20:34, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Untitled #2
I was trying to start a new forum, but instead I created a page. I would like you to delete this page, and you are welcomed to start the forum yourself. Also, I think the link for creating a new forum is broken (I see "error" on the tab). That's all.--KCMueller (talk) 02:45, November 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * This error might happen, so the best is to try again. It's not something we can control as far as I know.


 * As for the forum page, someone decided to remove everything, so I've restore everything and moved it to the forums now. 16:22, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

offensive comment
Hello, I believe you should check Seeking Seer's comment on [http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:Believe_it! this talk page], as it is rude and offensive towards another user. --Ygrain (talk) 11:49, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think he was already warned in the chat regarding his overall behavior, which lead to a chat ban afterwards. I believe the matter to be settled, but I'll ask about it. 13:18, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Untitled #3
Hi you wrote on my talkpage that I should leave you a message here if I needed help. Well I do need a little help. I am updating as I play along and would like to know how I name links to mods or other pages?


 * For external links, it's something like  (or click on the button "External link", the globe one on the edit toolbar). Keep in mind that for mods, we link only for bug fixes.


 * If you want to link within the wiki, it's  (the button with the blue underlined Ab). If you need some concrete examples, you can check the source of the article Dragon Age: Origins (comic) to view how coding works.  15:54, December 9, 2012 (UTC)

Thx I couldn't get it to work so I left the link as a full link in the hungry deserter. another question is how do I confirm a change. Specifically the change in the Ostagar Notes where the ! is above the head of the Kennel Master I have the exact same thing happened in my campaign. I have the Steam version of the ultimate edition if that is any difference.


 * You just have to remove the confirmation tag. That's enough for confirming the bug (you can also leave a note on the talk page if you wish). 20:12, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Another emote?
Hey, I was wondering if we can have Sten's face under the emote "NO". I'd do it myself but I'm not sure how. If you want me to supply the jpg, I'd be happy to do so (just give me the dimensions). Thanks! 09:42, December 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * If you have the image, I'd like to have it (even better if it's already transparent, but I can fix it myself). We don't have a limit for the dimensions, as long as it's not super big (we'll resize it through CSS). 20:34, December 18, 2012 (UTC)

Toolset Help
Hey D. I need someone with some knowledge around the toolset. I am ready to begin working on the Peasant Revolution page but I want to be sure that I know all the conditions which influence the uprising and that can only be done through the toolset, by checking which decision generates which plot flag. So when you have time, drop by in the IRC chat to help me out! Thanks. 13:02, December 25, 2012 (UTC)

Jak Darckner
Is still around and is still deleting people's messages, like Forum:How_many_backstories_are_there_going_to_be_in_DA3?. The IP used was 87.95.61.29. I know he has dynamic IP and he never signs up so it's a bit pointless, but can you do something? 12:33, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I apologise - I overstepped and deleted what seemed like an intentionally inflammatory post by the Darckner troll, | here. -Sophia (talk) 22:33, January 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * You were right to remove the offensive comment. Thank you for your help! 23:41, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Jak Darckner returns with new IP and new alias, his current IP is 188.67.167.223 and always changes aliases and tries to pretend it wasn't him by no longer revealing his IP. It's matter of time before he vandalises again. Only he and Dalish fan uses unofficial alises after their IP signs62.87.247.182 (talk) 16:28, January 6, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan


 * Thanks for the report! I have blocked him. He does come back everytime since he has a dynamic IP. 16:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

cell keys
Cell keys in Amarantine guardsman's pocket can't be stolen, can it?


 * I just tried, and it can be stolen. I'll make the changes on the page. 16:35, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Newest changes of page Tevinter Imperium
86.170.252.146 added many new informations, but I'm afraid many of them can be speculations or fanfics or even biased info. Please check, if some of those info aren't biased. Those words don't sound neutral.62.87.247.182 (talk) 19:59, January 6, 2013 (UTC)Just call me Dalish fan


 * I'll try to review the article, but it may take a while. There's some other articles that I have been asked to review too, besides the current workload I'm trying to catch up on the wiki. My knowledge of the lore isn't that good, so it will take me a while to do that. 20:10, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Again this infamous JaK Dracker
He returned and uses his tipical quotes, His IP is 87.93.95.4. Watch him. Just call me Dalish fan.


 * Thank you for the report! 16:30, January 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * He acts like he doesn't try to hide his "identity". He always says the same and delates texts of those, who don't share his paranoidal views. Also giving alias of mages' names makes him extreamlly easy to detect. 78.8.101.57 (talk) 16:41, January 8, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan.

Finnland must be very boring country, because he has no better use of his spare time *fg Finnyanne (talk) 18:13, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

According to the IP adress. I am a IT-Client-Coordinator within my company. We have programms to track dow IPadresses. Therefore I can locate the country. Finnyanne (talk) 18:52, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Bad news, Jak Darckner returned, his IP is 87.95.36.244 and last visited forum "How to end a war?"62.87.243.125 (talk) 21:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup, I caught that. I don't want to lock that thread because of him, but if this keeps going for too long, I may have to do it. I do suggest to make an account so you can continue to post if that happens. 21:14, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

And it is still Finnland. I do not understand what circumstances are in order to make people behave like that. Finnyanne (talk) 18:09, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

The Finnish troll returned. He was last seen on forum Forum:Should Alistair Be King?. He uses simply JD as his sign.78.8.133.217 (talk) 19:53, January 11, 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked. Thank you! 03:17, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * What about delating his posts?


 * I haven't had the time to go over the thread yesterday, but thanks for reminding me. :'] 17:18, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Project Aeducan: Shale
Hi there. I'm working (very, very slowly) on cleaning up Shale's page, and I wanted to ask someone who would know far better than I: should the information in the opening blurb about the decision to make Shale a DLC companion (as well as the price and availability via unused, second-hand "free download" codes) stay pretty much as it is (and where it is), or does it need to be moved/removed? Thanks in advance. (And I hope it's all right to ask here, as opposed to Shale's talk page.) HELO (talk) 22:11, January 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * The lead is fine. It can contain any information (either from a real world perspective or in-game), as long as it doesn't have spoilers. 22:12, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Personal Images
Alright, I'll go ahead and mark them for deletion. Sorry for not noticing, and thanks for being very... non-MEWiki about it. ;)

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 22:14, January 10, 2013 (UTC)

Not Jak Dracker, but delated text.
The IP is 92.24.139.105. He just delated a text on forum about DA3 romances. I don't know who is this Wikia Contributor, but changing/delating texts of others is his/her doing. I'll undo this, but keep your eye on this IP, we don't want another infamous vandal.78.8.1.113 (talk) 15:34, January 14, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan


 * Sorry for the late reply. I will fix the thread, although I do not believe it was done in bad faith, just a mistake on the anon's part. 03:47, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Anon Problems
Could you do something about the following user? http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/173.33.94.219

They're turning The Toxic Fans blog post into a firestorm. Thanks! ---- Isolationistmagi   16:12, January 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I've gone MIA for a bit. Glad to see it's been dealt with, so I won't interfere. 03:47, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Yuriah
Hey D, I'm wondering when you made tests regarding Yuriah's stock you checked one more variable. What I mean is, can Yuriah's stock be upgraded to "level 3" if you skip, say, the second upgrade?

Because if you can skip upgrades that means, each upgrade is independent from the other. And should be mentioned and presented differently. 18:56, January 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nevermind, it seems I misread the first line. 01:24, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

flaming troll... again
With the current onset of flaming trolling anons, perhaps you might want to do something about this: User blog comment:IlidanDA/David Gaider - will the novels and comic books influence the game?/@comment-Markurion-20130119124347/@comment-78.69.115.139-20130119191413 --Ygrain (talk) 22:48, January 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll try to keep a watch on the blog. 03:47, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Jak returned and never changes tactics.
His ID is 87.93.6.191 and his alias is JD. His last action was noted on forum aout DAA choices. Watch him.78.8.109.193 (talk) 20:26, January 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Loleil has already taken care of him. Thanks for reporting though! 20:56, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

NThis infamous troll always returns, his current IP is 188.67.28.246 and alias is JD. Please, block him and delate his text. Not only alias reveals his identity, but also he never changes subject and uses same phrases. I already gave this info Loleil, if that's correctly spelled alias.78.8.10.232 (talk) 18:00, January 22, 2013 (UTC)


 * Blocked (for now); thanks! 20:07, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Maric's image
There is a cut content, Loghain's nightmare [], where is shown an illusion of Maric, I wonder, could this have been used in gallery on Maric's page? It's a cut content, so I don't know if I can.78.8.99.181 (talk) 15:51, January 26, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan.

Whole forum delated
200.253.158.131 delated whole text of forum, that's unacceptable. Please, undo his actions and block him. I can hate some topics, but I don't delate them, I try to put arguments to close the case, I don't delate texts of others. I don't want to be a troll like infamous Jak Drecker or this 200.253.158.131.78.8.96.201 (talk) 20:53, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, D-day, the above mentioned anon also deleted this message from your and Loleil's talk page.--Ygrain (talk) 21:09, February 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * The editor in question has been blocked. 22:12, February 6, 2013 (UTC)

About a blog of yours
Hello D-day. I hope you are still with us and just wait the right time to strike back! I'd like to propose a link to be added in your blog which will be useful for several contributors. This mod removes the dialogue lines so one can take a clear picture without the need to worry about that. Personally, it helped me a lot quite a few times.

That would be all. Cheers! 03:58, February 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'll add it on my blog. I'm not sure if it's still being viewed now that's been months, but it's a great advice! 22:19, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Jak Cracker appeared again
Jak Cracker appeared again, his IP is 188.67.226.181. His latest activity is on Forum:Your Solution to Mage Problem?. 78.8.135.82 (talk) 15:54, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Unable to post comments
Hey D-Day. My good pal Diain told me to contact you about a problem with wikia. I can't post any comments on blogs for 3 months already. Not only on Dragon Age wiki. On all wikias. Can you help me? --Markurion (talk) 20:00, July 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * I replied on your forum thread! 01:14, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

wb and back to work again :P
Hi, D, I'd like to say once more how glad I am to see you back. If you have the time, perhaps you might express your opinion on this, as it would be a rather profound change? --Ygrain (talk) 17:24, July 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey, good to see you too!! I replied. :] 22:17, July 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cut content
If a page about Easter eggs exists, so I decided to start making a page Cut content revealing all abandoned concepts of the games, but they require references, so we could be sure that's no fanfic or speculation. The article is in early state and needs to be completed. If you know something more, I'd appreciate your efforts in putting new informations.78.8.139.185 (talk) 21:25, July 16, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh, I haven't edited in a while, but I'll keep an eye on it. Thanks for the contribution! 22:26, July 18, 2013 (UTC)

vandal
Hello, not sure how much you are around or who reads this first, there is an anon in need of blocking and his contributions deleted so that he cannot revert them back. --Ygrain (talk) 13:38, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh, a bit too late now, but thanks for reporting! 17:37, September 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * As long as you guys are here, I will always be here :-) --Ygrain (talk) 17:59, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Identity thief
Henio0 proclaimed that he stole my alias by saying which one he uses. I use alias Dalish fan because Wikia awlays fail to deliver me my account creation confirmation link.78.10.84.71 (talk) 15:39, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late-ish reply! I can understand why it's hard to verify if the person is indeed you since you are unregistered, so I can see his point (people can easily pretend they are someone they are not, since IPs tend to change). Have you tried to click on this link to confirm your email? If you wish, I could contact Wikia and perhaps they could try to sort it out for you (I'd need the name of your account), so you won't have to worry about identity issues, and your IP won't be revealed. 16:03, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

Unresolved discussion
Hey! I've got a question for you regarding how to handle unresolved discussions. There's been a discussion going on in the talk page for The Warden regarding their title and how certain ones should be listed. The user and I have sort of reached a polite stalemate due to differing opinions so I'm wondering how best to handle it? Should I make a forum post and move the discussion over there? I'd like to see if others can weigh in on it so that it's resolved rather than people just editing the page back and forth. Thanks! Kelcat (talk) 18:44, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I found the info on consensus guidelines. Cheers Kelcat (talk) 00:36, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Ferris and his uncivil behaviour
Lolei is busy, so I report it to another admin.

Warden Mage: Ferris insulted me for expressing my lack of desire to support mages in DAI, what a childish reason to insult people for something that doesn't exist. That's so uncivil.

"Forget calling the anon Meredith, with as much as he talks about eradicating large amounts of people, and his frequent bursts of paranoia making enemies where there were none, it'd be more accurate to call the anon "Adolf"".

Calling me paranoidal and Adolf simply for seeing that fictional situation in different way is uncivil. I at least try to be civil.78.8.12.125 (talk) 18:19, September 26, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer

Ralok
Ralok got to far, he is getting violent, writting "Shut up, they are called Kossith..." is a proof of that. Please remind Ralok good manners, he'll listen to an admin.78.8.243.19 (talk) 15:21, September 28, 2013 (UTC)StubbornMageSlayer


 * They are called Kossith, just not by anyone but Scholars... people wont listen to the truth you gotta get loud about it. ralok (talk) 16:44, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * And shut up is no more violent than telling someone to "go away", are you four years old? I am not threatening anyone, or insulting anyone, or being pointlessly cruel in any way! ralok (talk) 16:46, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * You act violantly and you have no right or authority to act like this, when someone is acting as you dislike.78.8.243.19 (talk) 16:49, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * you have no right to tell me how i am supposed to act, I am mad! people refuse to listen to me about the word "Kossith"! ralok (talk) 16:53, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Breaking local codex of civil behaviour gives you only a blocked account and you can blame only yourself.78.8.243.19 (talk) 16:58, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * You dont even have a wikia account and you are lecturing me on behaviour! I am not here to be your perfct idialized version of a human being. I dont get along with other people and I never will, but I am here because I give a crap about accurate information about the Dragon Age universe... that is why I do all wikis, I think that the spread of misinformation is appalling! That is what I care about, not whether or not some anonymous person on the other side of the planet likes me. ralok (talk) 17:10, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to be sure, you do know that "Kossith" is an out-dated term, correct? It's like calling humans "homo-sapiens", it's just such an archaic form to refer to the species.  Developers have confirmed that they do not refer to themselves as such, and neither do the other Thedosian scholars.  Aleksandr the Great (talk) 20:16, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Homo-sapiens isnt an outdated term, its latin for crying out loud. They use latin for the scientific names of species because its a dead language, nobody speaks it and no new words can be added to it... thus it provides a universal scientific name for species that different cultures have made different names for. As for the term "Kossith" the Qunari beleive sapient races to all be equal and the same, but the term "Kossith" was used to refer to the ancient race, but the only people that use ti now ARE THEDOSIAN SCHOLARS... you literally named the ONLY GROUP that uses it as a group that doesnt. Every other group that knows the term doesnt use it, the Qunari Priests and Tamassrans, but they refuse to recognize the concept. And plus the usage of Qunari as the name of hte race is almost universal, save for when Thedosian scholars need to differentiate between the Horned Race and its culture... which is very rarely. ralok (talk) 22:26, September 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * And why do you people keep bringing up the developers in this thing about hte Kossith?The World of thedas is the superior canon on the subject (as long as they dont say those parts are innacurate) anything said before the release of the book that is contradicted by the book... is not canon, THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE... when developers said there was a permanent Dalish Settlement in Rivain, but then Dragon Age 2 overrode that... forum posts are only canon-in-training or psuedo-canon because they are not part of any published, distributed, or licensed works... certainly they are canon, but not on the same level as published materials. ralok (talk) 22:28, September 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * "The Qunari do not recognize the concept of the Kossith and to almost everyone in Thedas, the horned race is just "Qunari" or "Tal-Vashoth", respectively." Taken from the Kossith page itself, this pretty much explains why nobody uses that term save for a FEW scholars.  Also, do you refer to the human race as "homo sapiens" often?  Save for being used in scientific related matters, literally no one uses that term.  It's an antiquated term because no one uses it save for those exceptions.  Hence why the are referred to Qunari and not Kossith.  If neither group recognizes the term, then it's not their name.  Or hell, just look at what Mary Kirby said on the BSN forums:


 * "Kossith" is an antiquated term, not a technical one. It was used to describe the culture that predated the Qun. It may not have even been the name of a race at all. It's the equivalent of calling white people, "Occidental." A few members of the Qunari priesthood are going to recognize the word, but no one else in Thedas would know what the heck this term means. Modern Qunari do not have a term for their race for the same reason that nobody in Thedas has a name for their planet. As far as they are concerned, the world consists of people and things-that-aren't-people. All other distinctions are unimportant. Other Thedosians do not draw distinctions between Those Tall Guys Who Sometimes Have Horns Who Follow the Qun and The Other Tall Guys who Sometimes Have Horns Who Don't. They are all, "Qunari" to the humans, elves, and dwarves."


 * So arguing it's usage any further is pointless, considering the developers and the wiki itself have already determined that. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 00:32, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

You are an idiot, you literally used the same source of information I did but you just ignored the sentence that mattered. Page 90, "The horned race's ancient name is "kossith". This term is not widely used or even widely known outside scholarly circles" THE WIKI IS WRONG, and THE DEVELOPER COMMENTS ARE OUTDATED! The term kossith is only used by scholarly circles, later in the book you see how its used on page 129 in the section "Tal Vashoth" where it explicitly uses the term to distinguish between the horned race adn the culture. You can argue it all you want BUT YOU ARE WRONG! ralok (talk) 04:27, September 29, 2013 (UTC)

The point is... the term is used BY ONE GROUP... non-qunari scholars. And it has only ever been used in a context to differentiate the horned race from the culture... its a simple usage, the same way we might use the term homo-sapien! GET IT YET!!! By the way, the book states its the name of the ancient race... not its culture! Just because its on this wiki doenst mean its true. And unless I see post-book-release developer comments saying the book is wrong at these particular portions, or reverting to previous statements... then the book is the higher canon by virtue of being newer and published. ralok (talk) 04:30, September 29, 2013 (UTC)