User talk:Tierrie/Archive 1

Hi, welcome to the Dragon Age Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Armor Sets page.

I hope that you will stick around and continue to help us improve the wiki.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- Loleil (Talk) 01:20, 2009 November 18

Re: Etiquette
Hi, I think that looks great. I wouldn't personally object to a site wide application (I'm big on consistency), but if you'd like some further community feedback anyway, you could always start a forum topic, or just apply to weapons, and see what happens. Thanks for the great work! Loleil 06:33, November 19, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yep. Just add on the templates you want gone and I can delete them for you. :-) Loleil 07:06, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Markup code thing
First of all nice job on coding it :) And a small question, for the code you are setting up, could you add a spot for the item-part icon? I think it would be a nice addition to it. And will there be 1 page for the set and then 1 for each set-part (would be my favourite) or are you planning to copy/paste it for each item piece?  20:00, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool that you were already thinking about an icon too. And a central page for the set give a great overview. As for the set-parts, I've added a few some time ago. A separate page gives some more link possibilities and bit more space to put some of the specific item description. Like Juggernaut Helm, only now it might be fun to make the helm link to the set and visa-versa. -- 20:19, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, I like all the relevant info on one page as well. And having the exact same type of info on 2 pages can be a pain when e.g. an update changes the stats. You'll always see then that it gets updated correctly on one page and forgotten on the others.-- 20:48, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Changing Username
It's my understanding that names can't be changed on gaming wiki's. I believe the only way to get a new name is to make a new account. If you like you can move your old talk page to a new one or provide a link in your new talk and user page if you want to provide a record of edits made with a different account.

P.S. I'm loving those tables! Loleil 01:22, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Re:Table Styles
I'm afraid my knowledge of CSS is... well to call it rudimentary would be kind. However, I found this very useful page, over at the Star Wars Games Wiki, which had this list of colours. Hopefully that helps. Loleil 05:28, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hehe. Yay for coding people! Is the MediaWiki:Common.css what you want to change? Loleil 05:54, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm glad that's what you were looking for and look forward to seeing what you're going to cook up. Loleil 06:15, November 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * That's a shame. Unfortunately, this page can't be unprotected, but if you could provide a copy what code you want added or changed and where you want to put it, I should be able to make some changes. Loleil 21:43, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Re: World Discussion to Lore Discussion
I saw your suggestion to JoePlay about forum titles and I think it's a good one so I'm going to go ahead and change it. I also saw you were interested in the spoiler template. This is what we've got so far. Feel free to offer any suggestion for improvement. Loleil 02:53, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Aww thanks! Compliments are always welcome. I look forward to seeing what you've got planned for the spoiler page and I'm glad those pics will get a chance to be used. Finding the Band of Fire without the EA logo was the hardest! Loleil 04:03, November 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Right! Have fun with your friends . Loleil 05:10, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Missing Items sets
Occording to the prima guide, you need the Griffon's helm and the battle axe Griffon's Beak for Item set 1.

and for Item set 24 you need the Commander's Plate Gloves, Commander's Plate Armor, and Commander's Plate Boots. --KageZX 18:06, November 25, 2009 (UTC)

Wade's Items
I see! I was trying to remove all the uncategorized pages, but now I know what it is being used for, I'll leave it in peace. Loleil 10:46, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

The Edits
Sure I can hunt the items down that belong to specific DLC since I usually have a lot of time on my hands and enough curiosity to kill a hundred cats I'm sure I'll find most of them XD

Re: Heraldry
Well, hypothetically, first we would need to decide what to do with Symbols and Heraldry, then we would whack a lore category on it, fill it up with lots of pretty pictures, and admire it. Hypothetically of course. Loleil 05:46, November 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Hehe, where would society be without unicorns? Well, if someone found certain images so pretty that they just had to put them on a page, I hope you wouldn't mind. Loleil 22:09, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

Re: Main Page
Thanks for the suggetions for improving the main page. Since the changes you mentioned are quite significant, I think it would be best if you make a new topic in Forum:Wiki Discussion so that others in the community can discuss ways to improve the main page. I'll be glad to join the discussion after you get it started. JoePlay ( talk ) 21:42, November 30, 2009 (UTC)

DLC
"Manually installing DLC content" on the Downloadble Content page is considered an illegal activity and is not condoned by the Wikia. I am issuing you a warning for this. --Selty 07:06, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Both Snofseka and I have decided that it is not an acceptable article to have on our Wikia. If you do not like our decision, please take it up with JoePlay. Thank you kindly. --Selty 08:10, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Actually my main concern is about publishing exclusive content (including "Collector's Edition") in this section. -- Snfonseka 15:22, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Item Boxes
Hello Tierrie. Actually in the boxes template Template:ItemInfoBox_New I didn't know how to implement formatting. So right now I just used the images for gold for the examples. I would prefer it of course if I knew how to add your templates for g, s, b to the item info box template itself. If you could help me in any way, it would be appreciated :) --Mytharox 21:00, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help on the boxes and showing me how to do it in the future! I agree on the value, but I wrote some about that on the talk page as well.--Mytharox 21:20, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's possible to use math like 5+5 =, just haven't found out how to use variables... --Mytharox 22:16, December 1, 2009 (UTC) (Press edit to see the source).
 * In that case I'll stop trying otherwise we will be in each others way. I'll go back to playing a little and writing the fade story as I go along. (See also [] for some coding stuff I found.)--Mytharox 22:29, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * We could leave it at gold/silver/bronze like it was then. Perhaps it's even easier for some that way ;)--Mytharox 22:43, December 1, 2009 (UTC)
 * I've changed the template back for now, I'll keep the template like it is now and when I test some more I'll do it on another template, this one is used in the wiki forum now too and I don't like to mess it up in case people check it out ;) --Mytharox 22:49, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

Just a heads up
Talk:Downloadable_Content - JoePlay ( talk ) 23:07, December 1, 2009 (UTC)

re: Bot
I know I responded on my talk page, but I'm responding again here for my own continuity - my brain was not in wiki-mode, as it were. Anyway, yes, make any changes you would like, whenever you want, to his page. - Pwr905 02:17, December 2, 2009 (UTC) (edit)Of course, if access to him was quasi-public, then he'd have to back himself up periodically to make sure no one decides to get cute. - Pwr905 08:33, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I can absolutely do that. In fact, I messed around a little bit before I left this message, and while I am cautious by nature, I'm pretty sure you can consider that fixed when Caridin starts doing basic tasks (Thursday/Friday'ish). Anything else he can help with, don't hesitate to ask. - Pwr905 07:00, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Heh, it is a "questionable roadmap". My train of thought (admittedly, however pointless it might have been) was that asking someone to login to a shell account and run script commands (while trivial for some) can be intimidating. But, sir, I do agree wholeheartedly that that is way out there. As to the phrase for shutting him down, it's already half-implemented in the sense that I've already embedded a comment in the wikicode for Caridin's user page (CHICKENORBEEF) that makes him branch. Would be trivial to adapt - I like the idea. - Pwr905 07:52, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * True, perhaps - but teaching him new tricks leads to new features; for example, your idea of the phrase appearing on any of the admins pages is easily implemented. Implementation aside, I could easily think of one great use for that: a page for each admin that the bot will watch to scan for stuff to do. Not incredibly useful, but maybe useful enough to justify special command words heh. - Pwr905 08:02, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * As to the shell account, definitely. I think what I might start with as a trial (and easily breakable) is an openssh server running on the same box as the bot, who would provide an environment to edit his files and run some commands. The obvious concern there is security, and before I implement that initial step I have to move some data off Caridin's box in preperation for the worst case scenario - because if I didn't, the entire world would explode and Caridin would be responsible. I've seen it happen. Further, that setup would kind of suck because it would be driven by a numerical IP, instead of name-resolution as any flexible setup should be. - Pwr905 08:17, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Alice and Bob are never secure hehe. I think once Caridin has his basic stuff sorted out and anyone else interested in access to him has commented on it, I'll set up a form of remote access to him. I might do it sooner, but short of browsing /home/username/whatever on a ReiserFS filesystem, whats the point? Besides the fact that it's awesome, of course.

Dropping a quick note about the task for Caridin. As per this task for Caridin, he can sub the expressions for the <>'s easily; however, I'm not clear on if that is the only thing you want changed. Did you want the enumeration ("n = ") stripped out as well? - Pwr905 20:11, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * When he launches, I'll have him just do the arrow tag replacements. Hopefully, sometime before this whole thing gets sorted out, he'll already be ready for names and stuff. - Pwr905 20:25, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, he can do that. He can produce just the {{ block with the substitutions you want, or he can spit out a page with basic headers and stuff with the template embedded if that makes life easier. - Pwr905 22:13, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know it can be done, it's just a matter of getting the mapping (or algorithm, if you prefer) right. Yeah, send me the details and I can probably get to work on it a little later tonight (6PM now for me, EST), in two hours probably. For two reasons: One, I want to roll this around in my head for a little bit before I start in on this; second, the machine Caridin is on is tied up for a little bit while I clean it up. - Pwr905 23:05, December 2, 2009 (UTC)


 * Wow! That sound incredibly incredible. I'm truly loving the bot. It feels like the wiki's resident pet hehe. Loleil 23:27, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

I outdented this because I'm about to type a shitload and don't want to deal with it right now.

OK, here's what I'm thinking about doing (nothing has actually been done yet, so feel free to take a much bigger bat to this than you did User:Caridin's page).

Goal: Create a full page of all items (or just armor for now, it really makes no difference) in the game. A full page would consist of being properly categorized, linked, stub (if necessary), etc. This can be accomplished in a single pass (page will be created with no further edits required) fairly trivially, as the bot already has this native functionality.

How to: Have two internal "templates" (in C++ terms; Python's a little different but same basic concept). The first will be filled out with constants not subject to formulas. The entire item set in the game will be generated with this first basic template; the bot will then run a second pass over all those files and fill in the rest with the variable data (scaled to teir, etc). Finally, the last pass will (in a manner of speaking) just cut-and-paste the previous result into a quasi-page-template that we agree on in advance.

When this is done, it will (of course) ASCII-BEL and wait for me to check the data and tell it to actually deploy (create) the content on the wiki.

A couple notes. On the implementation front, it is going to be a three-pass pattern match/replacement. Simple, easy, flexible, and effective. Also, on the first pass I can have the bot read the formula off your user page (or whatever) in case they ever change. This way, periodically, the bot can rebuild the "database" of items in the game, check all the pages to make sure the values are still accurate, and change them back if they are not - the bots database would, implicitly, be considered correct over the wiki. However, if you changed the formula on your page and the bot regenerated his item set, you could deploy changes to all the pages wihout having to ask me to run the bot.

That's where I'm at now. Bottom line: we could bang this out in a few days; if I haul ass and everything goes smooth, maybe before the weekend (presumably, high traffic time).

Pwr905 23:38, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * The three passes was how it initially formed in my head - I tend to default to the most simplistic (at the cost of size and efficiency) approach possible heh. Yeah, you're right, though - in practice, it'll probably just do it all in a single pass; the relevant section will (probably) literally be three function/method calls (genSimple, genComplex, genPage, or something), as you said. Anyway, looking forward to working with you on this; I would think that once this is done, we will feel a lot more comfortable about doing other wiki-wide changes as well. And, dare I say, drag some other members of the community into working with Caridin and having him do things around here. - Pwr905 00:01, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Now that the bot is up and crawling around the wiki, Project Juggernaut should proceed a lot smoother. I've had an hour or so to watch him closely, and this project should be no problem at all. - Pwr905 06:30, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * (I have the bot on hold for a few, while I relax)What are you dumping the files with, the bioware toolset? - Pwr905 06:35, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Holy shit. Yeah, I just started reading through this (PDF) gff explanation, and that seems like a lot of trouble just to get item statistics heh. If you want a hand or anything on that, let me know - I'm fluent in C/C++ as well. - Pwr905 06:56, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Are you compiling it with VC++, or some kind of [c/m]ygwin setup? Yeah, let me wrap up what I've got going with Caridin, and I'll drop a message here with an e-mail to send some stuff to. Oh, and I'll setup git for this when you setup a gateway for the bot hehe. - Pwr905 07:13, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * Send anything you got going on to pwr905 at yahoo dot com. Send me anything you've written thus far too, if you don't mind - give me a place to spring off from, besides ground zero hehe. Thanks. - Pwr905 07:32, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

I've trolled through the code you sent over, and done some diff's and stuff, and that looks messy indeed. I think its telling that the includes you added were error/assert hehe. I will go so far as to say that whatever platform homie there compiled that on originally, it is nowhere near the environment I have here - yay, internet. Anyway, fun times. - Pwr905 09:32, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yep, I'll get on that in a few minutes .. maybe have something for in half an hour or so. - Pwr905 01:18, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, he can do that. You want him to update all the ArmorTableRow templates? - Pwr905 02:21, December 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Considering Project Juggernaut and the templates, I think what I'm going to do is wrap the named-variable template replacement thing into Juggernaut; Caridin has to generate the templates and all that either way ... anyway, you can see where this is going I'm sure. I can do brute-force replacements (Caridin will wipe any page containing the specified template, and rewrite the page with the changes you want as opposed to just modding the template - note that it will still be one edit) now, or a more elegant solution after I change Caridin around a little bit.
 * (edit)I feel like I should elaborate a little. It has to do with the way the regex's are passed to Caridin; the "brute force" method outline above is regex's hacked together on the command line; the elegant one is an actual python module with the obvious advantages that comes with. - Pwr905 04:27, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty tired, so maybe I missed it, but I can only see Caridin making one edit (bracketed by me) as per the history. -Pwr905 09:12, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought I was going insane there. Sounds like it's Z's all around. - Pwr905 09:18, December 5, 2009 (UTC)

Response
Haha yeah sorry about that still getting used to the wiki page styling. Zf6hellion 20:06, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Admin request
Whenever a wiki has a large, active community such as this one, it is customary for potential new admins to create a formal "Request for Adminship." The best way to do so would be creating a new topic in the Wiki Discussion forum. In it, say basically what you did on my talk page, plus anything else to support your request. Then the community (particularly, the existing admins) can respond with their feedback. If there is significantly more support than opposition, one of the existing bureaucrats can promote you, or I could do it if they prefer. Personally, I think you would make a fine addition to the admin team (lots of good contributions + programming experience = great admin candidate), but since I'm Wikia Staff, I'll refrain from posting in the forum topic. Good luck! JoePlay ( talk ) 00:46, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Beer
Figured id respond here instead of my talk page so you get the nice little email notification.

Yeh I was surprised to hear that some folks tried to get all up in arms over the DLC stuff. Yeesh, sensitive few apparently. Glad it all worked out alright though. And if you ever come through Orlando, ill get you a beer lol. Cypherdiaz 03:09, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

News Tip
Thanks for the tip! If you see any news that needs to be added feel free to add on in. Loleil 08:36, December 3, 2009 (UTC)

Bot fix (WYSWYG)
A little something like this? Cheers. - Pwr905 01:17, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * It is probably possible to have him do that, but whoever changed that diff either a) enumerated and inserted newlines haphazardly; or, b) WYSWYG really sucks. Before I make any snap judgements though, was that enumeration intentionally done by the human editor, is wyswyg shit really that messy, or are you not sure? - Pwr905 02:21, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * To ramble on for a bit, I mean if it was the users intent then Caridin can fix that one diff, but obviously has no way of knowing what anyone will do. If the WYSWYG editors output screwed up code, thats fine - as long as it is always screwed up in the same way. - Pwr905 02:31, December 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Using a little of this and a little of that, Caridin can clean up most of the dirty HTML floating around. It took me a little longer than I would have liked, as I was not incredibly familiar with the subtleties involved. Either way, he will clean up most of what is on this list, and if is unsure about how it might affect a table or something, will ask for help. The root of the problem might be related to this, but I can't say for sure. - Pwr905 21:31, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Copper
I was wondering, and I am not entirely sure, but isn't bronze and not copper?--Mytharox 01:04, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe it was bronze, copper is used in warcraft among other games, if it is confirmed, maybe your friendly bot friend could find/replace the c's with b's :).--Mytharox 01:17, December 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * I made a redirect from to . Wakka wakka                --Tierrie 01:23, December 5, 2009 (UTC)