User talk:Loleil

offensive anon
Please, remove the comment by User talk:99.224.111.191 at [] before someone starts responding to it. Thank you. --Ygrain (talk) 05:37, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

And I'm guessing the mountains of offensive posts throughout this wiki that are just making moronic attacks on the creators are perfectly fine.


 * Those sort of comments are not okay either. I don't see every post, so if you (or any other editor) sees a post that goes against the code of conduct, please let me or another admin know so it can be dealt with. 05:51, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Interactive City Maps
Hey i was wondering if you knew anything about how to code the interactive Maps for the Denerim and Kirkwall Articles? The Kirkwall one only links to hightown and lowtown and all the other links aren't there and the Denerim one has all the links slightly right of the actual icon. -HD3 (talk) 05:56, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

I think the Denerim map got thrown off a bit when we moved to Oasis, but beyond that I haven't really had much experience with the image map extension. There's a decent help page here if you want to have a go at it yourself. 06:03, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Categories
Hey Loleil! Sorry for bugging you that much, but now that D-day is gone I have to contact another admin for help or suggestions :P. Anyway, the most important purpose of categories to most wiki readers from what I understand is for them to find relevant results in the "See More" feature in the lower part of the page.

If that's the case then we need to divide characters/items/locations/etc in categories which are relevant to one another. In my opinion there are certain categories which are not really helping that cause. I could elaborate more if you are interested and agree with what I said above :) 12:46, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * No problems, it's like one admin in, another admin out! But I'm always happy to hear any ideas about improving the wiki. Please tell me more. 23:44, January 24, 2013 (UTC)


 * I believe that the Lieutenant, Boss (and to a much lesser degree Elite Boss) categories are not helping in giving the readers related entries. I've seen many times that when a page was Lieutenant tagged the results below were totally irrelevant with the character in the page. I suggest removing them altogether. That's not difficult with the use of a bot. In addition, the aforementioned categories do not have any significant encyclopedic importance in order to have something which will be in favor of their maintainance. 01:59, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Umm and I almost forgot, can you rename this pic to "Murder Knife - DAO.png" please? I made a type there T_T 02:11, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * As categories also exist to group together pages with similar traits, I don't have a problem with the boss categories. I think that rank is a notable feature (albeit a technical one, rather than a gameplay one). So right now I'd be neutral on their deletion, but by all means nominate the categories and we can see what people think.


 * And image now renamed. So annoying when that happens! 04:09, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't think categories should just list the notable features of the article question but also provide relevant sources to the reader. It is my opinion that most wiki readers do not seek to read relevant technical results of the character, item, codex entry or location in question but rather gameplay ones. Anyway do you think it's best to post this delete nomination to the wiki discussion since it's not just for one category? 10:27, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * I'm more interested in the in-game elements too, but I think it's quite feasible that a user might want to look at a list of all the different bosses. This actually makes me think they should be split into the different games if they're kept.


 * As to where to nominate them, I would do both. Write up a forum topic with your rationale and then nominate the category pages with a link to the forum. 01:15, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Something that I noticed
While I am recently working on the categories of dwarven related articles, some pages belong to two categories: Dwarven lore and Dwarven groups. And these pages are around 5-6 (including the newly made Kings and Queens of Orzammar). However in the See More feature below them, there are only certain pages that will be featured and never the article I just mentioned will ever be featured there (even if it has the same exact categories with the other ones).

So I am wondering if you know more about how the "See More" feature works and if we can do things in order to improve it's code. 17:01, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * To my knowledge, Wikia hasn't released much information about the inner workings of the read more feature, but I did just click through the dwarven lore pages and noticed Kings and Queens of Orzammar popping up in the read more section of Shaperate. Possibly it cycles through different pages on a daily basis? 00:22, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ahh perhaps you are right. Also thanks for clarifying to me that this is a wikia-code and not a DA-wiki code which would mean that it could be tweaked :) Perhaps you might want to pass from the IRC or the chat a bit more often, I am starting to miss you! 00:37, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * You're welcome! I don't have the best internet connection at the moment so I've given up a few times, but I will see what I can do.  00:48, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Insulting blogs
The user "Milkman" has written a blog, here, which contains thinly veiled insults towards anyone who likes Dragon Age 2. Looking through the users blogs, I've found numerous more with personal attacks upon fans of DA2 and staff members of Bioware. His blogs are little more than whining about the game, in many cases making completely false statements in regards to the game--one would think that a wiki with such a wealth of information as this one would want to avoid its users spreading false information which contradicts what is stated on the mainspace. None of their blogs serve any purpose except to be troll magnets, drawing equally-hostile people and turning off DA2 fans. I don't see why they should be able to spam these ignorant blogs on the wiki. Clench (talk) 23:44, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can't handle someone criticizing your sacred Dragon Age 2 and Bioware, then maybe you should just go crawl back under the rock you came from. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 23:48, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

And this is exactly the kind of people whom are cultivated by these ignorant, immature blogs: equally ignorant, immature people. I would like to see this wiki as a place of knowledge and a welcoming community, not where most users flock to the latest blog that has to lie in order to complain about DA2. Mind your own business. Clench (talk) 23:53, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be frank, this IS part of my business. You're actively trying to get a civil user with a different opinion than yours banned or some crap.  This is most apparent with your "false statements" comment.  Seriously, it's subjective opinion.  THERE IS NO TRUE OR FALSE.  Then you wave it off as nothing more than whining. You act like it's impossible that DA2 can be a subjectively bad game and see anyone stating these opinions as nothing more than trolls.  You're just doing exactly what you're criticizing but on the opposite end of the spectrum. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 00:08, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Excuse me, WHAT? Can you please point out to me some mistakes I've made? If anything is not factually correct, you can always contact me on my message wall or on the blog itself and I will edit it; don't go running to an admin to tell on me because I might have made a mistake, if I even did so. I'm trying to make constructive criticisms. I am in no way "trolling". I'm in no way insulting anyone. I am highly critical of Dragon Age II, yes, because I want them to improve. Don't tell me to cease and desist simply because you can't handle criticism or because you disagree with my opinion. In fact, if you have a differing opinion, you should feel free to write your own blog post in response to mine. Most of my blogs are me trying to objectively analyse the game as best as I can. If you have a different opinion, then please, comment on my blogs or make your own. That's the entire point of these features: to discuss, to analyse, to learn. As long as we do so civilly, I see no problem with that.

Also, I don't remember writing any insults. Could you quote me and explain how it could be construed as an insult? If I said anything along the lines of "if you like this game, you're an idiot!", then by all means, I'll edit my blog post. That's all it takes. Don't run to an admin. Go to the source.

Oh, and by the way, my last blog was pretty much me looking at some of the things BioWare did right, and how they can improve even more.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 00:23, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * (edit conflict)Aleksandr, telling someone to crawl under a rock is not productive at all. Please don't make any personal attacks when talking to or about other people.


 * Clench, I've read Milkman's blogs and I see no evidence of them insulting those who like Dragon Age: II. It is very clear that he is no great fan of the game, but what I see is a user who provides well thought out reasons for why he feels this way. This can make for a good blog as it allows for informed discussion from those on both sides of the fence. In fact I see that going on now in the blog you linked.


 * A comment such as "If there are any intelligent, integrous people left at BioWare, they'll jump ship now if they haven't already." is not the sort of thing I want to see, but I don't see anything that crosses a line. If you disagree with the opinions expressed in the blogs, feel free to state why you disagree. If you're are not interested in that, then I would suggest you avoid blogs as they are intended as a place where users can share their personal opinions. 00:28, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I just get a bit peeved when people like this have the gall to blatantly insult others opinions and act like there's no possibility whatsoever that they're wrong. Aleksandr the Great (talk) 00:30, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Well, my "If there are any intelligent, integrous people left at BioWare, they'll jump ship now if they haven't already." comment can definitely be called an insult, but that's more toward BioWare, their management, or simply the direction they're taking. I apologise if that offended you in any way; it simply comes from an increasing amount of cynicism. I know BioWare is full of talented people, which is why I try to focus on their works rather than fall into the ad hominem fallacy.

--The Milkman | I always deliver. 00:42, January 25, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you both for the apologies. I understand that cynicism and emotions can creep in when editing and as long as it's not part of an ongoing pattern it's generally not a problem. 01:08, January 25, 2013 (UTC)

Recipe Template
I was wondering why the recipe template does not support the line unlike the item or character templates for example. Furthermore, there are several recipe articles which have this line within their template already. 11:56, January 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm looks like it is in the base template, it just didn't get carried over to the transformer. I will see if I can add it back in. 01:15, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I reverted that change, it broke every recipe page and anything else that refers to a recipe (vendors etc). Location will either have to go at the bottom, or every page that uses the template will have to be updated. Not a task I'd envy. Qesa (talk) 05:32, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * @Qesa, could you link me to some pages where adding the location would break the transformer? Thank you!
 * @Viktoria Landers, why does recipe template need a location field? Recipes can often be obtained from multiple sources and if we implemented a location field, it would be very hard to back-reference everything. -- 05:41, January 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you for checking this out oh template master  05:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * @Tierrie: Rune tracings, as well as high tier Herbalism and Poison recipes are barely found more than once or twice in the whole game. I might as well claim that the recipes which have more than two acquisition locations in the whole game are probably a small minority unlike several items which can be found or looted almost anywhere but still have a location row in their template in case it's needed. Anyway, regardless of what you decide, it's not really an important change as the acquisition information of each recipe is already included in the respective paragraph. 13:20, January 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Tierrie, I would also like to add the possibility to turn the in the character templates into a hyperlink to this page such as the item id is for the item templates. In fact I only recently became aware of this page and I am sure most of the other contributors are as well.  01:05, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Stopping hate spreading
Have you seen how many people spread hate or their propagandas, when on forum are topics about mages, templars and chantries? There was a blog about trolls on forum. It makes me sick that people insult themselves simply because they disagree about fictional non existing things. To make this hate spreading decrease I go to older topics without mages, templars and chantries, so it could appear before these topics. Those people become fanatics, who lose sense of reality, they see those organisations as incarnations of real world groups and that's getting worse and worse. I hope you understand. 78.8.1.181 (talk) 08:02, January 31, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi,


 * While feeling passionately about a subject can be a good thing, it's certainly not good when it leads to other people being insulting. I'm glad to hear that you plan on helping to create a positive community by starting new forum topics. 00:22, February 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * There appeared another topic about mages and templars, more precisely about Grey wardens' role in their war. This topic will only increase numbers of aggresive insulting and trolling because of a fictional non existing matter. Fanatics mentioned by previous Anon will go to this topic and start again insulting those, who don't share their views on Mage-templar war.156.17.71.249 (talk) 12:40, February 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * I just read through that topic and don't see any objectionable behaviour. Hopefully it will continue that way. 00:07, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I said the trolling will appear not it had appeared. I saw how many trolling were on similar pages, so I'm suspicious and in my country is said "Never too much caution", if I translate it correct.62.87.248.145 (talk) 06:50, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I know what what you were saying. I was just commenting that, as yet, your concerns remain unfounded for this topic. I know there has been a bit of unpleasant behaviour lately, but I try to remain optimistic and would encourage other editors to do so too. 08:23, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Problem with the "Recent Wiki Activity".
Greetings!

The little "auto-update" button on the Recent Wiki Activity page seems to be missing. It's been this way for a while now and it's getting frustrating to constantly have to reload in order to see the changes. I am just wondering if this is exclusive to me or if other people are experiencing this problem.--Legionwrex (talk) 06:25, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi! The auto-update here works a little differently to the ME wiki's. To turn on auto-updates here go to your preferences, then the gadget section, then check the "Auto updates Special:RecentChanges" box. Hope this helps . 08:23, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay then. Thanks!--Legionwrex (talk) 15:34, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Loleil! I hope you are doing fine :) I got two questions for you.

Today, I noticed that an anon removed something from an article which is correct for no reason whatsover. He had done so in the past and I always reversed that. That isn't isolated since in another case there was another person who insisted on adding cyrilic on the Enchament page. I reversed his edits a few times but after a few days he had made the addition again without me noticing. What I am asking here is, what can we do in such cases. Follow the pages in order to receive notifications if something happens? Is there something more that we could do perhaps?


 * Addition: It seems I unintentionally followed over the year thousands of pages. Is there a way to untick all of them instead of doing it manually? - Nevermind found it :)

Also, what do you think of this Trivia addition? I am not sure that it should be kept. 09:45, February 3, 2013 (UTC)

By the way there is something wrong with the code in the Gems page and I can't find the reason why this happens. 12:06, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * Hey yourself! I am doing fine and hope you are too..


 * It's always a bit tricky to judge whether some small removal of content is vandalism, a test, or a genuine effort to improve the wiki. If I notice an editor repeatedly removing information though, I try to leave a message explaining the problem and stating that if it continues it may be treated as vandalism. If it continues after that message I would generally issue a block.


 * Hmm I think that her relationship with the other characters is of some interest, though I don't know about the last point about her "inner innocence". It sounds a bit subjective so I would remove that.


 * With the gems page, it looks like the quartz page was missing one of the brackets around the style segment of its infobox.


 * I also wanted to tell you about Special:Unusedimages just in case there are any icons in there that you might need with your work on plot items. 22:59, February 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * I tweaked a bit the edit on Merrill's page, thanks for your advice. As for the Unusedimages, I think it's quite impractical before you upload a picture to search 300 images of questionable quality (which might as well require a rename). So I'm not really sure that I'll regularly check this category. As for plot items, D-day said she was working on them, so I only do minor improvements here and there until she comes back. However it is true that currently the plot items require the most attention out of all DAO item pages.


 * Regarding the creature variations I think it would be for the best if the community reaches a consensus which will solve both the current disagreement but also the ones that will come. What do you think? 09:28, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * Heh, that aren't that many icons there! If you don't think there are any there you will use though, that's fine, just wanted to make sure you knew about it as a resource to save you uploading an icon already here.


 * I don't really feel strongly about the creature variations issue, but I tend to think it's fine to leave them in the main creature page (ie have the ethereal golem listed as a type of golem), but I would add the spirits category to the individual pages too. 11:11, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * But the ethereal golem is not a variation of golems! If you dress up like a golem, would you also be considered as a variation of these creatures? Because this is what the ethereal golem really is. An imitation of the said creature. 11:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)


 * If I looked like a golem, and sounded like a golem, then maybe . I know you're coming from an in-universe lore perspective, but for me there is enough of similarity to call it a sort of golem even though it wasn't made on the anvil. As I said above though, this isn't an issue I feel passionately about. 00:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Classification of Varterral
Varterral a creation of Arlathani sorcerers. It has shape of spider, but technically it's a type of golem because it's a fade spirit trapped in mud and plants. Tevinter magisters with dwarves tried to create a golem from flesh of dead casteless by putting a fade spirit inside. Do you see similarities? I would call non-humanoidal golems like Varterral a gargoyle like are called statutes of demons and animals on cathedrals, but I don't work for Bioware, it would be a fanfic, because that's not an offical classification. Surely varterral is a spirit, maybe it's even connected to sylvans, the trees possessed by spirits corrupted or not. If elves rediscovered ritual of creating varterrals they would have equivalent of dwarven golems and would defeat even Tevinter, but that's not the topic. Back to topic what should decide of a type of creature, shape or substances it's made from?62.87.248.145 (talk) 18:51, February 3, 2013 (UTC) Just call me Dalish fan.


 * Presumably the affiliation was added due to the "spider like" part of the codex. I've now removed it. As to the broader issue, I don't know if it's possible to come up with a blanket rule. My initial feeling is that it's something that will have to be decided on a case-by-case basis, though possibly the forum discussion about creature variations can come to some sort of resolution. 06:34, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Events of DA: Calling on page Ages
I saw page Ages was edited but there is no mention of events of DA:Calling. I don't know when happened this adventure of Maric, Duncan and Fiona with Architect. Maybe you know something more. If you do, then please put some info there. All I'm sure action of the book takes place between 9:00 and 9:30.78.8.133.6 (talk) 13:17, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have an idea that the events of The Calling take place around 9:13 Dragon. I will see if I can find some sources and add it in. 00:03, February 5, 2013 (UTC)